Comments on: Debate Part 1, McCain tells the truth and lies at the same time: “No one can be opposed to alternate energy.” http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:05:59 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: shop http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-27360 shop Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:36:40 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-27360 I had said I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a question on energy tonight. What I should have said is that I wouldn’t be surprised if McCain repeated his big energy lie, that he supports alternative energy, which of course he never has. I had said I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a question on energy tonight. What I should have said is that I wouldn’t be surprised if McCain repeated his big energy lie, that he supports alternative energy, which of course he never has.

]]> By: Alexander http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-24803 Alexander Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:41:52 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-24803 Wind power is not a solution. The whole truth about wind turbines is never told by lobbyists and governments. How could the very weak and extremely unreliable initial energy source of a wind turbine ever produce a steady power of any significance, despite the fact that modern wind turbines are really sophisticated machines? Please think! And read: “Wind energy- the whole truth” at: http://www.windenergy-the-truth.com/ Wind power is not a solution.
The whole truth about wind turbines is never told by lobbyists and governments.
How could the very weak and extremely unreliable initial energy source of a wind turbine ever produce a steady power of any significance, despite the fact that modern wind turbines are really sophisticated machines?
Please think!
And read: “Wind energy- the whole truth” at: http://www.windenergy-the-truth.com/

]]> By: Ronald http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19815 Ronald Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:51:40 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19815 strategy and tactics it's sometimes hard to separate the two and sometimes the same thing is different things to the people doing them. I might get an order that's a tactic and then my orders to do it are strategies. strategy and tactics

it’s sometimes hard to separate the two and sometimes the same thing is different things to the people doing them. I might get an order that’s a tactic and then my orders to do it are strategies.

]]> By: justwatching http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19803 justwatching Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:52:28 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19803 I just saw an artical here on Alt Energy News that methane gas was coming out of the Artic ocean at a very high rate. If this is true then it may already be to late to stop global warming and climate change. I just saw an artical here on Alt Energy News that methane gas was coming out of the Artic ocean at a very high rate. If this is true then it may already be to late to stop global warming and climate change.

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19802 David B. Benson Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:46:11 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19802 Here is an easily locatable definition of alternative energy - energy derived from sources that do not use up natural resources or harm the environment. Here is an easily locatable definition of

alternative energy – energy derived from sources that do not use up natural resources or harm the environment.

]]> By: Cyril R. http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19774 Cyril R. Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:44:02 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19774 I like the Renewable Portfolio Standard. Not so much because it will accellerate implementation of renewables directly; we'll get to the 20 percent renewables target anyways because some are very cost effective (eg wind). I like the RPS because it will put pressure on building and upgrading transmission because certain states can't get to the 20% renewables without importing it. Really, transmission is the biggest technical hurdle in particular for wind. The wind generators themselves are lucrative and production will continue to ramp up swiftly. It's the transmission that's antiquated and not up to the generation profile of non-dispatchable generators like wind and solar. So the RPS will help induce more transmission buildout, in turn allowing wind to continue to grow quickly. I like the Renewable Portfolio Standard. Not so much because it will accellerate implementation of renewables directly; we’ll get to the 20 percent renewables target anyways because some are very cost effective (eg wind). I like the RPS because it will put pressure on building and upgrading transmission because certain states can’t get to the 20% renewables without importing it. Really, transmission is the biggest technical hurdle in particular for wind. The wind generators themselves are lucrative and production will continue to ramp up swiftly. It’s the transmission that’s antiquated and not up to the generation profile of non-dispatchable generators like wind and solar. So the RPS will help induce more transmission buildout, in turn allowing wind to continue to grow quickly.

]]> By: Vic http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19768 Vic Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:59:45 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19768 "...off-shore drilling is also something that is very important and it is a bridge. " - McCain A bridge to nowhere, perhaps? “…off-shore drilling is also something that is very important and it is a bridge. ” – McCain

A bridge to nowhere, perhaps?

]]> By: Andy Bauer http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19763 Andy Bauer Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:52:56 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19763 I think when McCain says 'alternative energy', he means nuclear. And buying into the marketing ploy that is (not) 'clean coal'. 'Alternative' means, to him, anything not oil. People who actually support solar PV, CSP, wind, landfill gas, sustainable biomass, tidal, etc, use terms like clean, renewable or sustainable energy. I think when McCain says ‘alternative energy’, he means nuclear. And buying into the marketing ploy that is (not) ‘clean coal’. ‘Alternative’ means, to him, anything not oil.

People who actually support solar PV, CSP, wind, landfill gas, sustainable biomass, tidal, etc, use terms like clean, renewable or sustainable energy.

]]> By: Earl Killian http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19755 Earl Killian Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:28:37 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19755 John Mashey, that was a useful link, primarily for the Palin quotes at the end. <blockquote>"The conventional resources we have can fill the gap between now and when new technologies become economically competitive and don't require subsidies," she asserted. When pressed by a reporter for Oil & Gas Journal she went further, denouncing government support for renewable energy. "I just don't want things to get out of hand with incentives for renewables, particularly since they imply subsidies, while ignoring fuels we already have on hand." </blockquote> Thanks. John Mashey, that was a useful link, primarily for the Palin quotes at the end.

“The conventional resources we have can fill the gap between now and when new technologies become economically competitive and don’t require subsidies,” she asserted. When pressed by a reporter for Oil & Gas Journal she went further, denouncing government support for renewable energy. “I just don’t want things to get out of hand with incentives for renewables, particularly since they imply subsidies, while ignoring fuels we already have on hand.”

Thanks.

]]> By: Earl Killian http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19754 Earl Killian Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:23:14 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/27/debate-part-1-mccain-tells-the-truth-and-lies-at-the-same-time-no-one-can-be-opposed-to-alternate-energy/#comment-19754 One thing that occurred to me when I first heard the $700 billion price tag was how much smaller it was than the $2 trillion net benefit that the EPA estimated the U.S. would see from it enforcing the Clean Air Act, as mandated by the Supreme Court (see ClimateProgress's <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/01/white-house-mocks-supreme-court-kills-2-trillion-savings/" rel="nofollow">see White House disses Supreme Court, kills $2 trillion savings</a>). And remember, that was with a 2030 gasoline price projection between $2.22 and $3.20, which seems laughable now. The White House illegally refusing to enforce the Clean Air Act. So why didn't Obama say that simply unfettering the EPA would help pay for the CDO bail-out? One thing that occurred to me when I first heard the $700 billion price tag was how much smaller it was than the $2 trillion net benefit that the EPA estimated the U.S. would see from it enforcing the Clean Air Act, as mandated by the Supreme Court (see ClimateProgress’s see White House disses Supreme Court, kills $2 trillion savings). And remember, that was with a 2030 gasoline price projection between $2.22 and $3.20, which seems laughable now.

The White House illegally refusing to enforce the Clean Air Act. So why didn’t Obama say that simply unfettering the EPA would help pay for the CDO bail-out?

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