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	<title>Comments on: Palin in debate STILL gets global warming backwards and repeats Big Energy Lie twice</title>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we need is an article titled &#039;If it&#039;s good enough for Alaska and Iraq, why not West Virginia and Wyoming?

If most of Alaska&#039;s state budget (80 percent) come&#039;s from oil producing state that taxes the oil produced their.   Maybe the same thing should be done for coal in West Virginia and Wyoming and all the other coal and other fossil fuel mining and drilling states.

Palin should be asked if she pushed for and got more money from oil companies in Alaska, is she going to do the same thing as Vice President of the United States.   How is she going to answer, not the usual Republican talking point.    That would be an interesting answer to dance around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we need is an article titled &#8216;If it&#8217;s good enough for Alaska and Iraq, why not West Virginia and Wyoming?</p>
<p>If most of Alaska&#8217;s state budget (80 percent) come&#8217;s from oil producing state that taxes the oil produced their.   Maybe the same thing should be done for coal in West Virginia and Wyoming and all the other coal and other fossil fuel mining and drilling states.</p>
<p>Palin should be asked if she pushed for and got more money from oil companies in Alaska, is she going to do the same thing as Vice President of the United States.   How is she going to answer, not the usual Republican talking point.    That would be an interesting answer to dance around.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thats why Biden is at the bottom of the ticket despite his many years of experience. You might think that Obama would start at the bottom of a ticket but no - all the other choices have too much time in Washington politics.&quot;

I don&#039;t think so.  

My guess is that Obama is at the top of the ticket because he excited more people and left them feeling that he had the best personal qualities to lead this country.  

Biden, Clinton, and several other people who ran for the Democratic position have more time in office, but Obama won more people over to his side.  

Now McCain&#039;s getting a taste of Obama&#039;s appeal.  

And McCain is losing because McCain is showing us the real McCain.  He&#039;s sold a bag of bogus bunk to the country over the years.  Now people are smelling what&#039;s in the bag from not-so-straight talk to being a Bush-bot to not vetting his VP choice.  

McCain has the &quot;older&quot; advantage, the &quot;more experience&quot; advantage and the &quot;white guy&quot; advantage and even those leg-up helpers he can&#039;t overcome Obama&#039;s message and abilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thats why Biden is at the bottom of the ticket despite his many years of experience. You might think that Obama would start at the bottom of a ticket but no &#8211; all the other choices have too much time in Washington politics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.  </p>
<p>My guess is that Obama is at the top of the ticket because he excited more people and left them feeling that he had the best personal qualities to lead this country.  </p>
<p>Biden, Clinton, and several other people who ran for the Democratic position have more time in office, but Obama won more people over to his side.  </p>
<p>Now McCain&#8217;s getting a taste of Obama&#8217;s appeal.  </p>
<p>And McCain is losing because McCain is showing us the real McCain.  He&#8217;s sold a bag of bogus bunk to the country over the years.  Now people are smelling what&#8217;s in the bag from not-so-straight talk to being a Bush-bot to not vetting his VP choice.  </p>
<p>McCain has the &#8220;older&#8221; advantage, the &#8220;more experience&#8221; advantage and the &#8220;white guy&#8221; advantage and even those leg-up helpers he can&#8217;t overcome Obama&#8217;s message and abilities.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mashey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mashey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gov. Palin is sometimes claimed to be an energy expert, for which I have been unable to find even a shred of evidence.  On the other hand, she is the Governor of a petro-state more akin  to Oman or Venezuela.

Once again, I recommend Michael Klare&#039;s good short article:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/klare&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Palin&#039;s Petropolitics&lt;/a&gt;.

Alaska is unlike *any* other US state economically, it is more like Venezuela or Oman.

Gov. Palin hasn&#039;t displayed even the slightest understanding of any energy issues beyond trying to extract more revenue from oil companies.  If she even  really understands oil-field depletion curves, peak Oil, investment economics,  etc, it&#039;s unclear.

From that article:
&quot;At a meeting of the National Governors Association in February, Palin argued against providing subsidies for alternative energy sources, claiming that domestic sources of oil and gas--many located in Alaska--can satisfy the nation&#039;s needs for a long time to come. &quot;The conventional resources we have can fill the gap between now and when new technologies become economically competitive and don&#039;t require subsidies,&quot; she asserted. When pressed by a reporter for Oil &amp; Gas Journal she went further, denouncing government support for renewable energy. &quot;I just don&#039;t want things to get out of hand with incentives for renewables, particularly since they imply subsidies, while ignoring fuels we already have on hand.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gov. Palin is sometimes claimed to be an energy expert, for which I have been unable to find even a shred of evidence.  On the other hand, she is the Governor of a petro-state more akin  to Oman or Venezuela.</p>
<p>Once again, I recommend Michael Klare&#8217;s good short article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/klare" rel="nofollow">Palin&#8217;s Petropolitics</a>.</p>
<p>Alaska is unlike *any* other US state economically, it is more like Venezuela or Oman.</p>
<p>Gov. Palin hasn&#8217;t displayed even the slightest understanding of any energy issues beyond trying to extract more revenue from oil companies.  If she even  really understands oil-field depletion curves, peak Oil, investment economics,  etc, it&#8217;s unclear.</p>
<p>From that article:<br />
&#8220;At a meeting of the National Governors Association in February, Palin argued against providing subsidies for alternative energy sources, claiming that domestic sources of oil and gas&#8211;many located in Alaska&#8211;can satisfy the nation&#8217;s needs for a long time to come. &#8220;The conventional resources we have can fill the gap between now and when new technologies become economically competitive and don&#8217;t require subsidies,&#8221; she asserted. When pressed by a reporter for Oil &amp; Gas Journal she went further, denouncing government support for renewable energy. &#8220;I just don&#8217;t want things to get out of hand with incentives for renewables, particularly since they imply subsidies, while ignoring fuels we already have on hand.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rjm</title>
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		<dc:creator>rjm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>game show host - thats true - that exactly what she seems like.

But it&#039;s not something to take lightly. A very substantial number of people really like game show hosts and trust them way ahead of career senators.

Thats why Biden is at the bottom of the ticket despite his many years of experience. You might think that Obama would start at the bottom of a ticket but no - all the other choices have too much time in Washington politics.

This doesn&#039;t really explain how McCain got on the ticket.
But it does explain why he&#039;s going to lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>game show host &#8211; thats true &#8211; that exactly what she seems like.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not something to take lightly. A very substantial number of people really like game show hosts and trust them way ahead of career senators.</p>
<p>Thats why Biden is at the bottom of the ticket despite his many years of experience. You might think that Obama would start at the bottom of a ticket but no &#8211; all the other choices have too much time in Washington politics.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t really explain how McCain got on the ticket.<br />
But it does explain why he&#8217;s going to lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dems need a better response to the &quot;all of the above&quot; claim.  It is, after all, merely the Cheney-Bush energy plan in new clothes.  That plan was also all-of-the-above...so that they could never be criticized for not advocating X, no matter what X was.  But of course they actually did very little except promote their buddies and contributors. They never walked the talk.  The Dems should call the &quot;all of the above&quot; &quot;plan&quot; for what it is: a repeat of a plan to nowhere.

I flinched when Biden called for clean coal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dems need a better response to the &#8220;all of the above&#8221; claim.  It is, after all, merely the Cheney-Bush energy plan in new clothes.  That plan was also all-of-the-above&#8230;so that they could never be criticized for not advocating X, no matter what X was.  But of course they actually did very little except promote their buddies and contributors. They never walked the talk.  The Dems should call the &#8220;all of the above&#8221; &#8220;plan&#8221; for what it is: a repeat of a plan to nowhere.</p>
<p>I flinched when Biden called for clean coal.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Eager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Eager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Sara Lee: &quot;The earth has been around a very long time. Who’s to say we are not still coming out of an ice age&quot;

Gee, I don&#039;t know, maybe the people who have actually bothered to study it?

Clue: the Holocene Optimum was 9000 to 5000 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Sara Lee: &#8220;The earth has been around a very long time. Who’s to say we are not still coming out of an ice age&#8221;</p>
<p>Gee, I don&#8217;t know, maybe the people who have actually bothered to study it?</p>
<p>Clue: the Holocene Optimum was 9000 to 5000 years ago.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>wiki/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>Holocene_climatic_optimum</a></p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Keachie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Keachie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could anyone vote in such a way as to put such a woman in the White House? Do you realize that in following all of the Bible baggage she comes with, Todd Palin would become the Decider?

We left England to get away from the Divine Right of Kings, surely we don&#039;t want someone with a pipeline to God that&#039;s filled with oil to have their fingers itchy on the button, when Armageddon&#039;s one of their religious scenarios?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could anyone vote in such a way as to put such a woman in the White House? Do you realize that in following all of the Bible baggage she comes with, Todd Palin would become the Decider?</p>
<p>We left England to get away from the Divine Right of Kings, surely we don&#8217;t want someone with a pipeline to God that&#8217;s filled with oil to have their fingers itchy on the button, when Armageddon&#8217;s one of their religious scenarios?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wink wasn&#039;t very winky, if you know what I mean. Too rehearsed, too artificial, too much part of a memorized script.

But she&#039;s a wonderful character - if only she was fictional she&#039;d be great to read about or see in a movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wink wasn&#8217;t very winky, if you know what I mean. Too rehearsed, too artificial, too much part of a memorized script.</p>
<p>But she&#8217;s a wonderful character &#8211; if only she was fictional she&#8217;d be great to read about or see in a movie.</p>
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		<title>By: gaiasdaughter</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaiasdaughter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, she was perky, folksy, has a great smile -- and did you see her wink at the camera?  I think she has a brilliant career ahead of her . . . she would make a fanatastic game show host.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, she was perky, folksy, has a great smile &#8212; and did you see her wink at the camera?  I think she has a brilliant career ahead of her . . . she would make a fanatastic game show host.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of the news reporting or political commentary I&#039;ve read since the debate have brought up the energy/environment exchange, probably because there&#039;s just too much else going on right now.  But it is clear from the energy/environment issue -- as well as all the rest -- that Palin&#039;s performance was nothing more than talking points and folksy colloqualisms.  

Yeah, she&#039;s all for the environment and energy independence, as long as it involves burning more fossil fuels.  Once Palin&#039;s  talking points hit facts and substance, the contradictions are obvious.  Let&#039;s hope the voters saw that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the news reporting or political commentary I&#8217;ve read since the debate have brought up the energy/environment exchange, probably because there&#8217;s just too much else going on right now.  But it is clear from the energy/environment issue &#8212; as well as all the rest &#8212; that Palin&#8217;s performance was nothing more than talking points and folksy colloqualisms.  </p>
<p>Yeah, she&#8217;s all for the environment and energy independence, as long as it involves burning more fossil fuels.  Once Palin&#8217;s  talking points hit facts and substance, the contradictions are obvious.  Let&#8217;s hope the voters saw that too.</p>
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