Comments on: Sharp to boost thin film solar capacity 6-fold to 6000 MW by 2014, U.S. hits snooze button http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:18:00 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Mark Shapiro http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20133 Mark Shapiro Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:00:34 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20133 Right on. Right on.

]]> By: Bob Wallace http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20123 Bob Wallace Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:04:21 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20123 "Drill, baby, drill" = "Burn, baby, burn" works on a deeper level than just pointing out that drilling more oil means burning more oil and releasing more sequestered carbon into the atmosphere. "Burn, baby, burn" was the chant coming from people who were reacting to problems brought about by racist policies in the US. Their anger exploded and ignited their neighborhoods. Quite literally, ignited their own neighborhoods. What they saw as a solution - "Burn" was not. In fact, it even made things worse for them as it burned down their own houses, stores, and public buildings. In the same way "Drill" is not in the best interest of the American people. Drill and burn just keeps us on the petroleum teat longer and ships more of our money to places that don't like us. And drilling further screws the climate in which we are going to have to live. By drilling we're "burning" ourselves and our futures. Americans should be shouting "Renewables, baby, renewables!!!". “Drill, baby, drill” = “Burn, baby, burn” works on a deeper level than just pointing out that drilling more oil means burning more oil and releasing more sequestered carbon into the atmosphere.

“Burn, baby, burn” was the chant coming from people who were reacting to problems brought about by racist policies in the US. Their anger exploded and ignited their neighborhoods. Quite literally, ignited their own neighborhoods.

What they saw as a solution – “Burn” was not. In fact, it even made things worse for them as it burned down their own houses, stores, and public buildings.

In the same way “Drill” is not in the best interest of the American people. Drill and burn just keeps us on the petroleum teat longer and ships more of our money to places that don’t like us. And drilling further screws the climate in which we are going to have to live. By drilling we’re “burning” ourselves and our futures.

Americans should be shouting “Renewables, baby, renewables!!!”.

]]> By: Mark Shapiro http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20085 Mark Shapiro Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:16:09 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20085 Bob - thanks for the historical note. The point I'm trying to make (too obliquely perhaps) is simply that when people chant "drill, baby, drill” they necessarily imply “burn, baby, burn”, since the whole point of producing oil is to burn it. “Drill, baby, drill” is a destructive policy. Equating it with “Burn, baby, burn” makes the point. And maybe now you know why I will never be either a politician or political debate coach. Bob – thanks for the historical note. The point I’m trying to make (too obliquely perhaps) is simply that when people chant “drill, baby, drill” they necessarily imply “burn, baby, burn”, since the whole point of producing oil is to burn it.

“Drill, baby, drill” is a destructive policy. Equating it with “Burn, baby, burn” makes the point.

And maybe now you know why I will never be either a politician or political debate coach.

]]> By: Ronald http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20077 Ronald Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:18:20 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20077 Well, there is the compartive advantage. You know where we are supposed to buy our tobacco for cigars from Cuba and shoot wolves from airplanes in Alaska. (Alexander Haig was smoking a Cuban cigar and was told they were illegal in this country. He said he knew, he liked to think that he was burning Castro's fields.) Japan and Germany have some very smart scientists and they can spend all that money on research of a solar power product that they can use. The US has alot of land that can use Concentrated Solar Power (CSP) and Japan and Germany doesn't have any. So the US, along with Spain and other countries with desert hot land should develop the CSP. Then we can buy into PV's after they spent all that research money into it. Should we have spent money into it so many years ago? Yah, that would be true. But at least we get to use the benefit of Japan and German Scientists. Well, there is the compartive advantage.

You know where we are supposed to buy our tobacco for cigars from Cuba and shoot wolves from airplanes in Alaska. (Alexander Haig was smoking a Cuban cigar and was told they were illegal in this country. He said he knew, he liked to think that he was burning Castro’s fields.)

Japan and Germany have some very smart scientists and they can spend all that money on research of a solar power product that they can use.

The US has alot of land that can use Concentrated Solar Power (CSP) and Japan and Germany doesn’t have any. So the US, along with Spain and other countries with desert hot land should develop the CSP. Then we can buy into PV’s after they spent all that research money into it.

Should we have spent money into it so many years ago? Yah, that would be true. But at least we get to use the benefit of Japan and German Scientists.

]]> By: Richard C http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20064 Richard C Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:05:37 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20064 Hmm, Given that I'm English, I can't ay that I'm all that bothered. As for the brainiacs bit try this.http://www.pvresources.com/en/history.php Look at all those nationalities. As for the future http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7645743.stm Hmm,
Given that I’m English, I can’t ay that I’m all that bothered. As for the brainiacs bit try this.http://www.pvresources.com/en/history.php
Look at all those nationalities.
As for the future
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7645743.stm

]]> By: Bob Wallace http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20062 Bob Wallace Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:02:29 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20062 "Burn, baby, burn" is from the 1965 Watts riots. Doubt that there were any hippies hanging around in Watts at that time. Hippies, in 1965, were just getting off the ground. If you don't recall, they were the people who spoke out in favor of protecting the Earth and against excessive materialism. "Destructive hippies" does not compute.... “Burn, baby, burn” is from the 1965 Watts riots. Doubt that there were any hippies hanging around in Watts at that time.

Hippies, in 1965, were just getting off the ground. If you don’t recall, they were the people who spoke out in favor of protecting the Earth and against excessive materialism.

“Destructive hippies” does not compute….

]]> By: Mark Shapiro http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20054 Mark Shapiro Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:34:20 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20054 Joe, a few editorial questions: Where you write: "second-largest maker of solar batteries . . ." do you actually mean solar cells, or solar panels? When you combine news and comment with sarcasm, righteous anger, and snark is difficult to follow. I sure feel that anger myself, but I'm not always sure I understand where the transition to sarcasm takes place. "Drill, baby, drill" also means "burn, baby, burn". Oil cheerleaders are the new radical, destructive hippies. Joe, a few editorial questions:

Where you write: “second-largest maker of solar batteries . . .” do you actually mean solar cells, or solar panels?

When you combine news and comment with sarcasm, righteous anger, and snark is difficult to follow. I sure feel that anger myself, but I’m not always sure I understand where the transition to sarcasm takes place.

“Drill, baby, drill” also means “burn, baby, burn”. Oil cheerleaders are the new radical, destructive hippies.

]]> By: Mark Shapiro http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20053 Mark Shapiro Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:04:37 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/02/sharp-to-boost-thin-film-solar-capacity-6-fold-to-6000-mw-by-2014-us-hits-snooze-button/#comment-20053 Slightly OT, but please see Google's "Clean Energy 2030" plan, at knol.google.com/k/-/-/15x31uzlqeo5n/1# CNET has the news about it at news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10056099-54.html?tag=mncol;posts It's great to have a powerhouse like Google onboard. Readers of ClimateProgress will quickly recognize the efficiency and renewable wedges in Google's plan, though they don't use the term. Slightly OT, but please see Google’s “Clean Energy 2030″ plan, at

knol.google.com/k/-/-/15×31uzlqeo5n/1#

CNET has the news about it at

news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10056099-54.html?tag=mncol;posts

It’s great to have a powerhouse like Google onboard. Readers of ClimateProgress will quickly recognize the efficiency and renewable wedges in Google’s plan, though they don’t use the term.

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