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	<title>Comments on: Dingell and Boucher draft climate bill:  Likely no CO2 cut until near 2030</title>
	<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/dingell-and-boucher-draft-climate-bill-may-yield-no-co2-cut-until-near-2030/</link>
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		<title>By: K.Folie</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/dingell-and-boucher-draft-climate-bill-may-yield-no-co2-cut-until-near-2030/#comment-20264</link>
		<author>K.Folie</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>After reading your blog, thought you would be interested in this….

CNBC will be airing “The Nuclear Option” Tuesday October 14th at 9p ET.  Melissa Francis goes inside the nuclear energy debate with a provacative look at the facts and fears behind this controversial energy source. See why some are even arguing for a nuclear power plant in their own backyards. More information is coming soon at http://originals.cnbc.com.  

Please let me know if you would like any additional information.

Thanks,
Kevin
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading your blog, thought you would be interested in this….</p>
<p>CNBC will be airing “The Nuclear Option” Tuesday October 14th at 9p ET.  Melissa Francis goes inside the nuclear energy debate with a provacative look at the facts and fears behind this controversial energy source. See why some are even arguing for a nuclear power plant in their own backyards. More information is coming soon at <a href="http://originals.cnbc.com." rel="nofollow">http://originals.cnbc.com.</a>  </p>
<p>Please let me know if you would like any additional information.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Kevin<br />
201 735 4730</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<author>max</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>John Dingell is the guy who spent decades protecting the auto industry-protecting people like Lutz. I don't know that I would expect a good bill from him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Dingell is the guy who spent decades protecting the auto industry-protecting people like Lutz. I don&#8217;t know that I would expect a good bill from him.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<author>paulm</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nuclear is a dead end! 

Sustainable renewables are the way forward for energy independence, cost, security and health. Oh, and also to combat AGW.

We might as well get it right from the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear is a dead end! </p>
<p>Sustainable renewables are the way forward for energy independence, cost, security and health. Oh, and also to combat AGW.</p>
<p>We might as well get it right from the beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Felt</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/dingell-and-boucher-draft-climate-bill-may-yield-no-co2-cut-until-near-2030/#comment-20274</link>
		<author>Justin Felt</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have commented on offsets in some of your other entries, but I think it bears repeating, so I'm going to repost here.  

Fact 1: There are a large number of low-quality offsets in the markets, even more so in the voluntary market.  Fact 2: Buyer beware is definitely the phrase to live by in this market.

However, to put ALL offsets in this "rip-offsets" category is misleading at best.  Just as a mad cow outbreak doesn’t convince people to give up beef forever, this shouldn’t convince people that offsets are valueless, but rather there should be better oversight, transparency, and standards governing them. Offsets will be key in bringing in markets that can’t be capped easily (agriculture, transportation, forestry) and will reduce costs for the overall system (which in these economic times, is very important as well).

For the North American offset market, there should be better regulation, not unlike what the FDA does for the food industry. Cap-and-trade legislation will only raise their value and quality by providing eligibility to mandatory markets.

Of course, reductions should be made first in the home and at the point of generation, but offsets should be have a place at the table as well.

www.pointcarbon.com

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  My point is that not even an expert can tell the so-called good offsets from the junk.  So the only wise thing to do is to treat them all as junk.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have commented on offsets in some of your other entries, but I think it bears repeating, so I&#8217;m going to repost here.  </p>
<p>Fact 1: There are a large number of low-quality offsets in the markets, even more so in the voluntary market.  Fact 2: Buyer beware is definitely the phrase to live by in this market.</p>
<p>However, to put ALL offsets in this &#8220;rip-offsets&#8221; category is misleading at best.  Just as a mad cow outbreak doesn’t convince people to give up beef forever, this shouldn’t convince people that offsets are valueless, but rather there should be better oversight, transparency, and standards governing them. Offsets will be key in bringing in markets that can’t be capped easily (agriculture, transportation, forestry) and will reduce costs for the overall system (which in these economic times, is very important as well).</p>
<p>For the North American offset market, there should be better regulation, not unlike what the FDA does for the food industry. Cap-and-trade legislation will only raise their value and quality by providing eligibility to mandatory markets.</p>
<p>Of course, reductions should be made first in the home and at the point of generation, but offsets should be have a place at the table as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pointcarbon.com" rel="nofollow">www.pointcarbon.com</a></p>
<p>[<em>JR:  My point is that not even an expert can tell the so-called good offsets from the junk.  So the only wise thing to do is to treat them all as junk.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: William H. Calvin</title>
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		<author>William H. Calvin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Re headline "CO2 cut", we need to be more careful distinguishing atmospheric CO2 concentration from CO2 emissions.

Most people likely now think that cutting emissions cuts the CO2 in the atmosphere, and thus reduces climate problems. But only negative emissions will do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re headline &#8220;CO2 cut&#8221;, we need to be more careful distinguishing atmospheric CO2 concentration from CO2 emissions.</p>
<p>Most people likely now think that cutting emissions cuts the CO2 in the atmosphere, and thus reduces climate problems. But only negative emissions will do that.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/dingell-and-boucher-draft-climate-bill-may-yield-no-co2-cut-until-near-2030/#comment-20285</link>
		<author>David B. Benson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This report

http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/biocharscprs

makes the case that biochar is a good, accountable offset possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This report</p>
<p><a href="http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/biocharscprs" rel="nofollow">http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/biocharscprs</a></p>
<p>makes the case that biochar is a good, accountable offset possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/dingell-and-boucher-draft-climate-bill-may-yield-no-co2-cut-until-near-2030/#comment-20287</link>
		<author>Rick</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>if you use biochar, put it in the soil instead of deep underground. Build up  the soil - you need it for better crops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you use biochar, put it in the soil instead of deep underground. Build up  the soil - you need it for better crops.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/dingell-and-boucher-draft-climate-bill-may-yield-no-co2-cut-until-near-2030/#comment-20328</link>
		<author>David B. Benson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rick --- By all means use some as a soil conditioner; there is a limit to this.  Put the rest deep underground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick &#8212; By all means use some as a soil conditioner; there is a limit to this.  Put the rest deep underground.</p>
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