Comments on: Is 450 ppm (or less) politically possible? Part 7: The harsh lessons of the financial bailout http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:55:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Skeptic http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20787 Skeptic Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:33:01 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20787 David, Your graph cuts off at the year 2000. What's the average so far for 2000-2008? David,

Your graph cuts off at the year 2000. What’s the average so far for 2000-2008?

]]> By: Rick http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20294 Rick Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:04:21 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20294 I think what it is is there are just too many things going on for everybody to focus on one thing. Be it climate or health care or money or work or war and peace. It's just paralysis. I think what it is is there are just too many things going on for everybody to focus on one thing. Be it climate or health care or money or work or war and peace. It’s just paralysis.

]]> By: Kathy N http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20288 Kathy N Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:18:52 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20288 There are so many things going so wrong everyday in the enviroment it just leaves me stunned that everyone is not involved in solving this crisis. I find little hope for the future if the Baby Bush is elected. And as for keeping below 450ppm I don't think it is possible now even if we all (the world) started to work right this minute. I think by 2012 we are in for some really bad amplifing affects from both the artic and antartic that will shake the world. My guess is no one will question the FACT of Climate Change then. There are so many things going so wrong everyday in the enviroment it just leaves me stunned that everyone is not involved in solving this crisis.
I find little hope for the future if the Baby Bush is elected. And as for keeping below 450ppm I don’t think it is possible now even if we all (the world) started to work right this minute. I think by 2012 we are in for some really bad amplifing affects from both the artic and antartic that will shake the world. My guess is no one will question the FACT of Climate Change then.

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20284 David B. Benson Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:27:18 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20284 Skeptic --- Here are the decadal averages from the HadCRUTv3 global surface temperature product: http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/10yave.jpg Do note that the global tempertures are now much warmer than in the 1930s. Skeptic — Here are the decadal averages from the HadCRUTv3 global surface temperature product:

http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/10yave.jpg

Do note that the global tempertures are now much warmer than in the 1930s.

]]> By: Rick C http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20280 Rick C Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:35:21 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20280 Skeptic, Give it up man. There was a drop in average temperate below the mean trend but the average global temperature continues to this year to rise. That's an old argument that has long since lost its credibility. Skeptic,

Give it up man. There was a drop in average temperate below the mean trend but the average global temperature continues to this year to rise.

That’s an old argument that has long since lost its credibility.

]]> By: Skeptic http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20276 Skeptic Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:08:46 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20276 I must respectfully disagree. With global temperatures having most recently peaked in 1998 (at least in the last half of the 20th century) and with many of the warmest years on record in the 1930's (according to NASA, not me) when man-made carbon emissions were only beginning to be pumped into the atmosphere, I fail to see the significance of 450 PPM. Carbon levels continue to rise and global temperatures have fallen for the last decade - hardly a short and insignificant period of observation. I must respectfully disagree.

With global temperatures having most recently peaked in 1998 (at least in the last half of the 20th century) and with many of the warmest years on record in the 1930’s (according to NASA, not me) when man-made carbon emissions were only beginning to be pumped into the atmosphere, I fail to see the significance of 450 PPM. Carbon levels continue to rise and global temperatures have fallen for the last decade – hardly a short and insignificant period of observation.

]]> By: Lou Grinzo http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20272 Lou Grinzo Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:14:16 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20272 Yep, I'm with you all the way, Joe. I covered the financial mess/global warming/peak oil parallels over on The Cost of Energy just the other day: <a href="http://www.grinzo.com/energy/index.php/2008/09/30/the-flameout-as-foreshadowing/" rel="nofollow">The flameout as foreshadowing</a>. Yep, I’m with you all the way, Joe.

I covered the financial mess/global warming/peak oil parallels over on The Cost of Energy just the other day: The flameout as foreshadowing.

]]> By: max http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20266 max Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:26:07 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20266 The world has already been (hopefully) saved from destruction by international cooperation once-namely the Montreal protocol. In that case, it required the appearance of an ozone hole to compel action. Of course, the solution was not perceived to be as onerous. In the case of CO2, perhaps, if we are lucky, during Obama's first term, with leadership and the near complete loss of Arctic ice, more forceful action will ensue-as another reader put it: a "man on the moon" type of concerted activity towards a mutually agreed upon goal. I do agree with you, it would be helpful to have more opinion leaders like Buffett and Gates and Bernake putting climate change on the top of their agenda. The world has already been (hopefully) saved from destruction by international cooperation once-namely the Montreal protocol. In that case, it required the appearance of an ozone hole to compel action. Of course, the solution was not perceived to be as onerous. In the case of CO2, perhaps, if we are lucky, during Obama’s first term, with leadership and the near complete loss of Arctic ice, more forceful action will ensue-as another reader put it: a “man on the moon” type of concerted activity towards a mutually agreed upon goal. I do agree with you, it would be helpful to have more opinion leaders like Buffett and Gates and Bernake putting climate change on the top of their agenda.

]]> By: hapa http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20261 hapa Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:46:02 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20261 The only refuge from the bears is in managing energy costs. Very tough to recover when running your equipment puts you in debt. When is it OK to start talking about the war-time footing cure for financial depression? We'll have to build our way out of the hole. If we were being careful, we knew there would be money troubles from the double-whammy of bubble burst and critical commodity costs. Same cure: ecological balance via targeted command economics and debt forgiveness. The only refuge from the bears is in managing energy costs. Very tough to recover when running your equipment puts you in debt.

When is it OK to start talking about the war-time footing cure for financial depression? We’ll have to build our way out of the hole. If we were being careful, we knew there would be money troubles from the double-whammy of bubble burst and critical commodity costs.

Same cure: ecological balance via targeted command economics and debt forgiveness.

]]> By: Rick C http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20260 Rick C Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:35:04 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20260 Well what can I say? Soylent Green anyone? Well what can I say? Soylent Green anyone?

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