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	<title>Comments on: Is 450 ppm (or less) politically possible? Part 7:  The harsh lessons of the financial bailout</title>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<author>Ronald</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well written.  And you got everything in there.

Every state has a public university with scientists.   Why aren't they in mass having an affect on the journalists in the states to have more articles on global warming.   

A place to start might be if some newspapers carried this websites articles in a regular column.   I'd be better than the stuff I read in my states papers now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written.  And you got everything in there.</p>
<p>Every state has a public university with scientists.   Why aren&#8217;t they in mass having an affect on the journalists in the states to have more articles on global warming.   </p>
<p>A place to start might be if some newspapers carried this websites articles in a regular column.   I&#8217;d be better than the stuff I read in my states papers now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<author>Ronald</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In a country where Sarah Palin has a 44 percent favorable rating and 37 percent unfavorable, will it or can it ever take a problem vexing as global warming seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a country where Sarah Palin has a 44 percent favorable rating and 37 percent unfavorable, will it or can it ever take a problem vexing as global warming seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<author>john</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am in violent agreement with you, Joe.

Basically, people's actions are driven by the lymbic- our primitive lizard brain; so even in the presence of a rationally-based consensus, we are not likely to get action until we experience a visceral and palpable threat from global warming.

Perhaps our challenge, then, is to figure out how to appeal to this lymbic brain which holds reason hostage to fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in violent agreement with you, Joe.</p>
<p>Basically, people&#8217;s actions are driven by the lymbic- our primitive lizard brain; so even in the presence of a rationally-based consensus, we are not likely to get action until we experience a visceral and palpable threat from global warming.</p>
<p>Perhaps our challenge, then, is to figure out how to appeal to this lymbic brain which holds reason hostage to fear.</p>
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		<title>By: llewelly</title>
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		<author>llewelly</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The credit crisis is not real. Even if it is, it's a natural cycle, caused by sunspots. See &lt;a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/Business/20081001-Keane-There-is-no-evidence-for-a-human-induced-credit-crisis.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The credit crisis is not real. Even if it is, it&#8217;s a natural cycle, caused by sunspots. See <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/Business/20081001-Keane-There-is-no-evidence-for-a-human-induced-credit-crisis.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
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		<author>charlie</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The analogy does not really hold water.  Congress/Administration didn't act in a timely fashion -- they waited six months. All this started in the spring and last summer.  Not to mention the lack of international coordination.  (See the ECB refusing the cut rates in the spring)  So this "bailout" isn't a example of systemic success --- it is an example of how public policy decisions get pushed off the table until they blow up.

[&lt;em&gt;JR:    Everything you cite is actually more of an argument for the analogy between the two.  Obviously Washington didn't act in a timely fashion on the financial crisis.  Obviously Washington hasn't acted in a timely fashion on global warming -- ten years ago was really the time to get serious.  Same with the lack of international coordination, except this time it is in reverse.  We acted, but Europe didn't.  And I never said this bailout was an example of systemic success.  But in fact that is yet another analogy to climate change, since I have no doubt that whatever Congress passes on climate in the next two years won't be the final climate bailout.  No   analogies are perfect, and a central argument of this blog is that climate change is a unique challenge, the greatest challenge humanity faces.  But I still maintain there are lessons to be learned from the areas that are analogous.  And I hope I haven't left the wrong impression: I certainly agree that "It is an example of how public policy decisions get pushed off the table until they blow up" -- where the heck do you think we are on climate?&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The analogy does not really hold water.  Congress/Administration didn&#8217;t act in a timely fashion &#8212; they waited six months. All this started in the spring and last summer.  Not to mention the lack of international coordination.  (See the ECB refusing the cut rates in the spring)  So this &#8220;bailout&#8221; isn&#8217;t a example of systemic success &#8212; it is an example of how public policy decisions get pushed off the table until they blow up.</p>
<p>[<em>JR:    Everything you cite is actually more of an argument for the analogy between the two.  Obviously Washington didn&#8217;t act in a timely fashion on the financial crisis.  Obviously Washington hasn&#8217;t acted in a timely fashion on global warming &#8212; ten years ago was really the time to get serious.  Same with the lack of international coordination, except this time it is in reverse.  We acted, but Europe didn&#8217;t.  And I never said this bailout was an example of systemic success.  But in fact that is yet another analogy to climate change, since I have no doubt that whatever Congress passes on climate in the next two years won&#8217;t be the final climate bailout.  No   analogies are perfect, and a central argument of this blog is that climate change is a unique challenge, the greatest challenge humanity faces.  But I still maintain there are lessons to be learned from the areas that are analogous.  And I hope I haven&#8217;t left the wrong impression: I certainly agree that &#8220;It is an example of how public policy decisions get pushed off the table until they blow up&#8221; &#8212; where the heck do you think we are on climate?</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Koen</title>
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		<author>Koen</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Question is, what would be labeled a "big, big, crisis"? If hundreds of tons of methane started popping out of the Arctic tomorrow, would that make a big crisis? Or an ice-sheet or two disappearing (again) in the Antarctic. 

We already lost 1/3 of coral reefs worldwide, and that barely made headlines. 

There is one alternative. If I remember well (I was very young then :), once upon a time the US had a president who "for no good reason" decided to get a man on the moon, and less than a decade later, you had your man (even men) on the moon. At a much smaller scale, the current president of France, when Minister of the Interior, decided that it was time to lower the number of people killed on french roads. In less than two years, and with almost no popular support, reduced that figure by about 50%. I don't keep statistics, but I think almost everyone can tell similar tales about people who have a dream and want to share it with the world.

So all we need is statemanship (or should that now be "worldmanship"?). But that's a resource that seems in very short supply these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question is, what would be labeled a &#8220;big, big, crisis&#8221;? If hundreds of tons of methane started popping out of the Arctic tomorrow, would that make a big crisis? Or an ice-sheet or two disappearing (again) in the Antarctic. </p>
<p>We already lost 1/3 of coral reefs worldwide, and that barely made headlines. </p>
<p>There is one alternative. If I remember well (I was very young then :), once upon a time the US had a president who &#8220;for no good reason&#8221; decided to get a man on the moon, and less than a decade later, you had your man (even men) on the moon. At a much smaller scale, the current president of France, when Minister of the Interior, decided that it was time to lower the number of people killed on french roads. In less than two years, and with almost no popular support, reduced that figure by about 50%. I don&#8217;t keep statistics, but I think almost everyone can tell similar tales about people who have a dream and want to share it with the world.</p>
<p>So all we need is statemanship (or should that now be &#8220;worldmanship&#8221;?). But that&#8217;s a resource that seems in very short supply these days.</p>
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		<title>By: P. G. Dudda</title>
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		<author>P. G. Dudda</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Reminds me of a couple lines in a song by The Cranberries:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thunder and lightning won't change what I'm feeling
And the daffodils looked lovely today...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The deniers are all out admiring the daffodils while N'Awlins drowns...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a couple lines in a song by The Cranberries:</p>
<blockquote><p>Thunder and lightning won&#8217;t change what I&#8217;m feeling<br />
And the daffodils looked lovely today&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>The deniers are all out admiring the daffodils while N&#8217;Awlins drowns&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas</title>
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		<author>Jonas</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry, 450ppm is a disaster. 

Serious people only talk about 350ppm. Please, Mr Romm, you have to take climate change serious. Our aim must be reducing atmospheric CO2 from current 384ppm to 350ppm. Anything less is a declaration of war against the planet.

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  I take it you don't actually read this blog.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, 450ppm is a disaster. </p>
<p>Serious people only talk about 350ppm. Please, Mr Romm, you have to take climate change serious. Our aim must be reducing atmospheric CO2 from current 384ppm to 350ppm. Anything less is a declaration of war against the planet.</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  I take it you don&#8217;t actually read this blog.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<author>Rick</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"The deniers are all out admiring the daffodils while N’Awlins drowns…"

thats pretty old news. It was dramatic just as Galveston was dramatic this year, but those events don't  stir up any "fight the climate" fervor. Not a bit.

You need a sudden major sea level rise everywhere. Anything short of that will be ignored. You need 20 major cities underwater at the same time.

A sudden meaningful political swing towards climate action is not coming in the mean time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The deniers are all out admiring the daffodils while N’Awlins drowns…&#8221;</p>
<p>thats pretty old news. It was dramatic just as Galveston was dramatic this year, but those events don&#8217;t  stir up any &#8220;fight the climate&#8221; fervor. Not a bit.</p>
<p>You need a sudden major sea level rise everywhere. Anything short of that will be ignored. You need 20 major cities underwater at the same time.</p>
<p>A sudden meaningful political swing towards climate action is not coming in the mean time.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<author>paulm</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The US Gulf coast is now in for a devastating hurricane every couple of years on average. It one happens again next year or one hits New York there will be big time action.

The problem now is that America is bust. There is no money left in the kitty. A major recession is on the books and probably depression. Being positive, this actually buys us some time and gives breathing room to address Climate Change issues.

There needs to be leadership and there needs to be direct action and there needs to be more panic from climate scientist and professionals. 

(&lt;b&gt;Why is it meteorologist don't get Climate Change? &lt;/b&gt;I think there is a big time chip on their shoulders. If they were rooting for CC issues that would be a big help!)

&lt;i&gt;Climate Change Direct Action Now!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US Gulf coast is now in for a devastating hurricane every couple of years on average. It one happens again next year or one hits New York there will be big time action.</p>
<p>The problem now is that America is bust. There is no money left in the kitty. A major recession is on the books and probably depression. Being positive, this actually buys us some time and gives breathing room to address Climate Change issues.</p>
<p>There needs to be leadership and there needs to be direct action and there needs to be more panic from climate scientist and professionals. </p>
<p>(<b>Why is it meteorologist don&#8217;t get Climate Change? </b>I think there is a big time chip on their shoulders. If they were rooting for CC issues that would be a big help!)</p>
<p><i>Climate Change Direct Action Now!</i></p>
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		<title>By: Rick C</title>
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		<author>Rick C</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well what can I say? Soylent Green anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well what can I say? Soylent Green anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
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		<author>hapa</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The only refuge from the bears is in managing energy costs. Very tough to recover when running your equipment puts you in debt.

When is it OK to start talking about the war-time footing cure for financial depression? We'll have to build our way out of the hole. If we were being careful, we knew there would be money troubles from the double-whammy of bubble burst and critical commodity costs.

Same cure: ecological balance via targeted command economics and debt forgiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only refuge from the bears is in managing energy costs. Very tough to recover when running your equipment puts you in debt.</p>
<p>When is it OK to start talking about the war-time footing cure for financial depression? We&#8217;ll have to build our way out of the hole. If we were being careful, we knew there would be money troubles from the double-whammy of bubble burst and critical commodity costs.</p>
<p>Same cure: ecological balance via targeted command economics and debt forgiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<author>max</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The world has already been (hopefully) saved from destruction by international cooperation once-namely the Montreal protocol. In that case, it required the appearance of an ozone hole to compel action. Of course, the solution was not perceived to be as onerous. In the case of CO2, perhaps, if we are lucky, during Obama's first term, with leadership and the near complete loss of Arctic ice, more forceful action will ensue-as another reader put it: a "man on the moon" type of concerted activity towards a mutually agreed upon goal. I do agree with you, it would be helpful to have more opinion leaders like Buffett and Gates and Bernake putting climate change on the top of their agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world has already been (hopefully) saved from destruction by international cooperation once-namely the Montreal protocol. In that case, it required the appearance of an ozone hole to compel action. Of course, the solution was not perceived to be as onerous. In the case of CO2, perhaps, if we are lucky, during Obama&#8217;s first term, with leadership and the near complete loss of Arctic ice, more forceful action will ensue-as another reader put it: a &#8220;man on the moon&#8221; type of concerted activity towards a mutually agreed upon goal. I do agree with you, it would be helpful to have more opinion leaders like Buffett and Gates and Bernake putting climate change on the top of their agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Grinzo</title>
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		<author>Lou Grinzo</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yep, I'm with you all the way, Joe.

I covered the financial mess/global warming/peak oil parallels over on The Cost of Energy just the other day: &lt;a href="http://www.grinzo.com/energy/index.php/2008/09/30/the-flameout-as-foreshadowing/" rel="nofollow"&gt;The flameout as foreshadowing&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I&#8217;m with you all the way, Joe.</p>
<p>I covered the financial mess/global warming/peak oil parallels over on The Cost of Energy just the other day: <a href="http://www.grinzo.com/energy/index.php/2008/09/30/the-flameout-as-foreshadowing/" rel="nofollow">The flameout as foreshadowing</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptic</title>
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		<author>Skeptic</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I must respectfully disagree.

With global temperatures having most recently peaked in 1998 (at least in the last half of the 20th century) and with many of the warmest years on record in the 1930's (according to NASA, not me) when man-made carbon emissions were only beginning to be pumped into the atmosphere, I fail to see the significance of 450 PPM.  Carbon levels continue to rise and global temperatures have fallen for the last decade - hardly a short and insignificant period of observation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must respectfully disagree.</p>
<p>With global temperatures having most recently peaked in 1998 (at least in the last half of the 20th century) and with many of the warmest years on record in the 1930&#8217;s (according to NASA, not me) when man-made carbon emissions were only beginning to be pumped into the atmosphere, I fail to see the significance of 450 PPM.  Carbon levels continue to rise and global temperatures have fallen for the last decade - hardly a short and insignificant period of observation.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick C</title>
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		<author>Rick C</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Skeptic,

Give it up man. There was a drop in average temperate below the mean trend but the average global temperature continues to this year to rise.

That's an old argument that has long since lost its credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skeptic,</p>
<p>Give it up man. There was a drop in average temperate below the mean trend but the average global temperature continues to this year to rise.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an old argument that has long since lost its credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<author>David B. Benson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Skeptic --- Here are the decadal averages from the HadCRUTv3 global surface temperature product:

http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/10yave.jpg

Do note that the global tempertures are now much warmer than in the 1930s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skeptic &#8212; Here are the decadal averages from the HadCRUTv3 global surface temperature product:</p>
<p><a href="http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/10yave.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/10yave.jpg</a></p>
<p>Do note that the global tempertures are now much warmer than in the 1930s.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy N</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20288</link>
		<author>Kathy N</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There are so many things going so wrong everyday in the enviroment it just leaves me stunned that everyone is not involved in solving this crisis.
I find little hope for the future if the Baby Bush is elected. And as for keeping below 450ppm I don't think it is possible now even if we all (the world) started to work right this minute. I think by 2012 we are in for some really bad amplifing affects from both the artic and antartic that will shake the world. My guess is no one will question the FACT of Climate Change then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many things going so wrong everyday in the enviroment it just leaves me stunned that everyone is not involved in solving this crisis.<br />
I find little hope for the future if the Baby Bush is elected. And as for keeping below 450ppm I don&#8217;t think it is possible now even if we all (the world) started to work right this minute. I think by 2012 we are in for some really bad amplifing affects from both the artic and antartic that will shake the world. My guess is no one will question the FACT of Climate Change then.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20294</link>
		<author>Rick</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think what it is is there are just too many things going on for everybody to focus on one thing. Be it climate or health care or money or work or war and peace. It's just paralysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what it is is there are just too many things going on for everybody to focus on one thing. Be it climate or health care or money or work or war and peace. It&#8217;s just paralysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/07/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-7-the-harsh-lessons-of-the-financial-bailout/#comment-20787</link>
		<author>Skeptic</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>David,

Your graph cuts off at the year 2000.  What's the average so far for 2000-2008?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Your graph cuts off at the year 2000.  What&#8217;s the average so far for 2000-2008?</p>
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