Let me comment that there is an error with your otherwise excellent comment. This isn’t a “tiny quibble,” but a major one: the American people remain ‘energy illiterate’ and those pushing drillusion want to keep them ignorant. The We Campaign and others (such as you and me) are trying to make enough the population functionally literate when it comes to energy issues such that we can move forward to an Energy Smart (and financially smart … and security smart … and environmentally smart) future.

[JR: Funny stuff. The corporate-dominated big media is a fundamentally conservative institution because it is a status quo institution and the status quo is what conservatives want. It also provides "balance" that means any right wing position, no matter how nutty, must get equal time, which he global warming deniers have exploited with great success over the past decade. The fact that a few members of the media have actually started to point out some of the McCain campaign's lies merely shows that McCain is running the sleaziest most dishonest campaign of all time. When even a Karl Rove says the McCain campaign's ad lies go too far, it hardly seems media bias for anyone else to pointed out.]

Would you have run the ad and pissed off big oil, on the grounds that your dignity is more important than hundreds of millions of ad dollars?

As a result, we don’t know:

1. If this did happen, or

2. If it did happen, just what happened, or

3. If it did happen, why ABC did not run the ad, or

4. What ABC has to say about it.

My daddy used to say “No matter how thin you make a pancake, it still has two sides.” Seeing you guys get all passionate about this, without hearing a single goddamn word from the other side, could serve as a textbook example of why people think all environmentalists are nuts.

Me, I don’t think so, and I see myself as an environmentalist. I just think the movement has been hijacked by nuts who have forgotten that all stories have two sides.

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In times of plenty people can afford to chew the cud endlessly, but this becomes a luxury and a self-indulgence when families are wondering how they will manage to feed themselves next week”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ news/ article-1074361/ STEPHEN-GLOVER-Ten-reasons-look-bright-side.html

Oh, all right. Feeding trolls can be fun, after all.

First: You’re wrong about the lack of evidence and 99% of the people who will read your comment know it. The mountain of evidence that corroborates anthropogenic global warming gets bigger every day, and the lack of a plausible alternative hypothesis isn’t helping you. (See, for example, the rest of this site or realclimate.org).

I can also invoke Godwin’s Law, so you’ve automatically lost anyway.

“environmental alarmists want to increase… electricity” – presumably you mean electric vehicles. Elsewhere on this site are entries explaining how the extra load isn’t that much of a problem and some of the proposed solutions are quite good.

You say some other stuff that I won’t bother to rebut. David above preempted your point about non-energy petroleum products, and anyway there’s no mention of relevant figures, e.g. the fraction of world oil supply used for these purposes, so your point is lost in a vague hand-waving argument.

And finally, of course, the big giveaway that you’re full of it is that you come on to this site and claim some kind of monopoly on research & knowledge of the subject (a hilarious notion in itself – I wish everyone were as “unintelligent and uninformed” as people like Joe or Al Gore). And then you don’t even cite your information sources! You couldn’t be less credible or convincing if you tried.

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“Disney’s $125,000 gift to the Democratic Party last October was the largest individual in-kind donation it or Universal has made to either party, based on state records going back to the 2001-02 election cycle.”

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/ community/ news/ villages/ orl-gifts2408feb24,0,1047751.story