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	<title>Comments on: NOAA&#8217;s arctic report card shows stronger effects of warming in Greenland and permafrost</title>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who needs sophisticated models...

...blooming daffodils fooled into thinking it&#039;s spring
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1079966/Pictured-The-blooming-daffodils-fooled-thinking-spring.html

Winter has yet to arrive - but for five-year-old Spencer here, it&#039;s already spring.
Daffodils have been bursting into life at the market garden his grandparents Celia and Roger Haywood run in Bremhill, Wiltshire.
The couple spotted the bright yellow flowers springing up down the sides of her driveway at the end of last month.
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&#039;They started to appear at the end of last month but now they are in full bloom. Our driveway is about 75 yards long and the daffodils are growing all the way along it.&#039;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who needs sophisticated models&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;blooming daffodils fooled into thinking it&#8217;s spring<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1079966/Pictured-The-blooming-daffodils-fooled-thinking-spring.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>news/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>article-1079966/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>Pictured-The-blooming-daffodils-fooled-thinking-spring.html</a></p>
<p>Winter has yet to arrive &#8211; but for five-year-old Spencer here, it&#8217;s already spring.<br />
Daffodils have been bursting into life at the market garden his grandparents Celia and Roger Haywood run in Bremhill, Wiltshire.<br />
The couple spotted the bright yellow flowers springing up down the sides of her driveway at the end of last month.<br />
&#8230;.<br />
&#8216;They started to appear at the end of last month but now they are in full bloom. Our driveway is about 75 yards long and the daffodils are growing all the way along it.&#8217;<br />
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We live in California&#039;s central valley and I have a year-around vegetable garden.  I&#039;ve been doing this for about 30 years.  Our winter weather is warmer than it was even ten years ago.  We no longer get hard frosts that freeze oranges solid on the trees.  Genuine frosts, as opposed to frosts caused by night-sky radiation have become uncommon, occurring only once every two or three years.  Six or seven years ago, only the most cold-hardy varieties of tomato could be planted outdoors, unprotected, in March, because an end-of-March frost was a regular occurrence.  The past couple of winters, almost any tomato variety could have been planted in early February.  I did it last year and they survived.  

Amateur horticulturalists are now experimenting with many kinds of semi-tropical ornamentals that die back in the winter but grow back the following summer, as long as the ground doesn&#039;t get too cold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We live in California&#8217;s central valley and I have a year-around vegetable garden.  I&#8217;ve been doing this for about 30 years.  Our winter weather is warmer than it was even ten years ago.  We no longer get hard frosts that freeze oranges solid on the trees.  Genuine frosts, as opposed to frosts caused by night-sky radiation have become uncommon, occurring only once every two or three years.  Six or seven years ago, only the most cold-hardy varieties of tomato could be planted outdoors, unprotected, in March, because an end-of-March frost was a regular occurrence.  The past couple of winters, almost any tomato variety could have been planted in early February.  I did it last year and they survived.  </p>
<p>Amateur horticulturalists are now experimenting with many kinds of semi-tropical ornamentals that die back in the winter but grow back the following summer, as long as the ground doesn&#8217;t get too cold.</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people above, say, 30-32º N have similar stories of changing seasons, in my view. Especially gardeners. The GF and I deal with America&#039;s Master Gardeners quite often, and she has many clients that are Master Gardeners. There is no question among most gardeners that it is warming. None. Not even debated in most circles. Many of us have our own little jokey phrases about denying climate change. And the older the gardener, usually the better certainty of changes. 

And I think the professional Denial Industry knows this, thus their casting doubt on the man-madeness as their main thrust. Sure, you&#039;ll see slow-witted credulous dupes (like that Patrick Henry at DotEarth) who pass on the occasional try at casting doubt on warming, but that&#039;s out of ignorance and not malice. 

Best,

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people above, say, 30-32º N have similar stories of changing seasons, in my view. Especially gardeners. The GF and I deal with America&#8217;s Master Gardeners quite often, and she has many clients that are Master Gardeners. There is no question among most gardeners that it is warming. None. Not even debated in most circles. Many of us have our own little jokey phrases about denying climate change. And the older the gardener, usually the better certainty of changes. </p>
<p>And I think the professional Denial Industry knows this, thus their casting doubt on the man-madeness as their main thrust. Sure, you&#8217;ll see slow-witted credulous dupes (like that Patrick Henry at DotEarth) who pass on the occasional try at casting doubt on warming, but that&#8217;s out of ignorance and not malice. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urpo... 

I can say the same thing, although I don&#039;t live in the arctic circle. Just Nova Scotia, on Canada&#039;s east coast.

Our climate has changed dramatically over the last seven or eight years. I remember the winters of my youth, when we played hockey on snow covered streets for months, and how the lakes would freeze over in time for Christmas holidays, and we&#039;d play hockey until it became too dark to see the puck. 

Kids can&#039;t do that anymore. Often the lakes don&#039;t freeze until February, so they enjoy a few weeks of shinny or figure skating, at best. We have green Christmases now (in 2006, it was 68 and foggy), and snow only falls usually only falls three or four times each winter. American robins return in February, and a few great blue herons don&#039;t bother migrating every fall. 

I used to be a wine writer before illness nipped that in the bud (no pun intended). We&#039;ve had a few wineries in the province since the 1980s, and they mostly made unpalatable, high-acid, simple wines. Now they&#039;re making some tasty quaffs — not world-class, but easy to drink — including some decent Chardonnay and Riesling. 

Perhaps that&#039;s why almost 78 percent of Atlantic Canadians believe that climate change is real. But most have no idea of how bad it could get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urpo&#8230; </p>
<p>I can say the same thing, although I don&#8217;t live in the arctic circle. Just Nova Scotia, on Canada&#8217;s east coast.</p>
<p>Our climate has changed dramatically over the last seven or eight years. I remember the winters of my youth, when we played hockey on snow covered streets for months, and how the lakes would freeze over in time for Christmas holidays, and we&#8217;d play hockey until it became too dark to see the puck. </p>
<p>Kids can&#8217;t do that anymore. Often the lakes don&#8217;t freeze until February, so they enjoy a few weeks of shinny or figure skating, at best. We have green Christmases now (in 2006, it was 68 and foggy), and snow only falls usually only falls three or four times each winter. American robins return in February, and a few great blue herons don&#8217;t bother migrating every fall. </p>
<p>I used to be a wine writer before illness nipped that in the bud (no pun intended). We&#8217;ve had a few wineries in the province since the 1980s, and they mostly made unpalatable, high-acid, simple wines. Now they&#8217;re making some tasty quaffs — not world-class, but easy to drink — including some decent Chardonnay and Riesling. </p>
<p>Perhaps that&#8217;s why almost 78 percent of Atlantic Canadians believe that climate change is real. But most have no idea of how bad it could get.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim K Wrote:  - &lt;i&gt;Richard: Thanks for the condescending reply.&lt;/i&gt;

Touché. My apologies...

Your point wasn&#039;t at all clear; and I&#039;m too quick to assume that contrary opinions are just trying to muddy the waters. I&#039;ll make a better effort to take a few minutes before hitting the submit button next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim K Wrote:  &#8211; <i>Richard: Thanks for the condescending reply.</i></p>
<p>Touché. My apologies&#8230;</p>
<p>Your point wasn&#8217;t at all clear; and I&#8217;m too quick to assume that contrary opinions are just trying to muddy the waters. I&#8217;ll make a better effort to take a few minutes before hitting the submit button next time.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urpo Taskinen --- Better read Dano&#039;s warning.  Still, I do hope you will communication your unusual perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urpo Taskinen &#8212; Better read Dano&#8217;s warning.  Still, I do hope you will communication your unusual perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, that idea will open Urpo to a bunch of hate-filled comments from the usual dozen or so suspects at DotEarth. We know what is happening, and the power of personalized feelings helps, but Urpo should know what he&#039;s up against.

Best,

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, that idea will open Urpo to a bunch of hate-filled comments from the usual dozen or so suspects at DotEarth. We know what is happening, and the power of personalized feelings helps, but Urpo should know what he&#8217;s up against.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urpo Taskinen --- Thank you for your comment.  I urge you to post much the same on many different blogs, starting with DotEarth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urpo Taskinen &#8212; Thank you for your comment.  I urge you to post much the same on many different blogs, starting with DotEarth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Katcavage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Katcavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard - Thanks for the condescending reply.  My point was the report should have put these numbers in perspective regarding where we are and where we are heading.  I thought they did a poor job of communicating the melt numbers.

David - No arguement here regarding the long term estimates of sea level rise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard &#8211; Thanks for the condescending reply.  My point was the report should have put these numbers in perspective regarding where we are and where we are heading.  I thought they did a poor job of communicating the melt numbers.</p>
<p>David &#8211; No arguement here regarding the long term estimates of sea level rise.</p>
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		<title>By: Urpo Taskinen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urpo Taskinen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person living in the north, actually exactly on the Arctic Circle in Sweden, and through my whole life (51 years) experiencing in what way melting of snow and ice each spring happens I must say that I have become very worried the last 5-6 years.

There is a very obvious trend in the situation we have experienced the last winters, the winters are not winters any more. In my childhood there NEVER rained in wintertime, now there are rains every month. One of those scientific evidence there is about the weather changing is the graphs from The Swedish Weather Survey (SMHI) http://www.smhi.se/sgn0102/maps/avv_day_200712.htm
That on showing December 2007, that was a very warm month.

I know one should not mix weather and climate because they are two different things. But this is actually happening NOW and with the background that we people in the Arctic have of how snow and ice melts these scientific reports are very scary. The speed of melting increases often very rapidly and not lineary.

We never can afford a run away climate change and the situation must be taken very seriosly, it is not an academic debate, it is really happening now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person living in the north, actually exactly on the Arctic Circle in Sweden, and through my whole life (51 years) experiencing in what way melting of snow and ice each spring happens I must say that I have become very worried the last 5-6 years.</p>
<p>There is a very obvious trend in the situation we have experienced the last winters, the winters are not winters any more. In my childhood there NEVER rained in wintertime, now there are rains every month. One of those scientific evidence there is about the weather changing is the graphs from The Swedish Weather Survey (SMHI) <a href="http://www.smhi.se/sgn0102/maps/avv_day_200712.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.smhi.se/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>sgn0102/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>maps/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>avv_day_200712.htm</a><br />
That on showing December 2007, that was a very warm month.</p>
<p>I know one should not mix weather and climate because they are two different things. But this is actually happening NOW and with the background that we people in the Arctic have of how snow and ice melts these scientific reports are very scary. The speed of melting increases often very rapidly and not lineary.</p>
<p>We never can afford a run away climate change and the situation must be taken very seriosly, it is not an academic debate, it is really happening now.</p>
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