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	<title>Comments on: Even conservative San Diego Union knows climate change is killing Western forests</title>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody on the east coast but me seems to recognize that ALL our trees will soon be stone cold dead.  They are in decline - the hardwoods and the conifers.  It&#039;s making me crazy that what is so obvious if you pay attention to the symptoms of tree death are being ignored.

In 5 to 10 years all of the sycamores, maples, hickory trees, walnuts, ash, plus all pines, will be skeletons.  We will have wildfires, and the decay will contribute to climate change.  The birds will have nowhere to live.

It&#039;s breaking my heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody on the east coast but me seems to recognize that ALL our trees will soon be stone cold dead.  They are in decline &#8211; the hardwoods and the conifers.  It&#8217;s making me crazy that what is so obvious if you pay attention to the symptoms of tree death are being ignored.</p>
<p>In 5 to 10 years all of the sycamores, maples, hickory trees, walnuts, ash, plus all pines, will be skeletons.  We will have wildfires, and the decay will contribute to climate change.  The birds will have nowhere to live.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s breaking my heart.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dano --- spp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dano &#8212; spp?</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Pine Beetles, as the name indicates infest a particular species. So rather than killing a forest, is it possible that beetle outbreaks are the beginning of greater forest diversification of species?

A forest of mostly lodge pole pines might be desirable to the logging industry but maybe the beetles aren’t killing the forest as much as just changing it. Beetles like fire could be part of a beneficial natural cycle. &lt;/i&gt;

In the Intermountain West, this is not true for the MPB (in addition to them eating Engelmann spruce). 

Lodgepole are naturally mainly single-spp stands. That&#039;s how it works.

Best,

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Pine Beetles, as the name indicates infest a particular species. So rather than killing a forest, is it possible that beetle outbreaks are the beginning of greater forest diversification of species?</p>
<p>A forest of mostly lodge pole pines might be desirable to the logging industry but maybe the beetles aren’t killing the forest as much as just changing it. Beetles like fire could be part of a beneficial natural cycle. </i></p>
<p>In the Intermountain West, this is not true for the MPB (in addition to them eating Engelmann spruce). </p>
<p>Lodgepole are naturally mainly single-spp stands. That&#8217;s how it works.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: steve h</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re to rick

Single species stands, I suspect, would allow for a greater amplitude of infection, and faster rate of expansion.  That said, many of these god-forsaken critters are non-native and invasive.  Additionally, each species has a freeze tolerance that results in limits to its habitats.  What were once sporadic incursions into more northern areas, fewer deep freezes allow for sustained infestations.  So, trade gives you non-natives, and global warming allows them to thrive, and homogeneity allows them to explode.  Yeah for trifectas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re to rick</p>
<p>Single species stands, I suspect, would allow for a greater amplitude of infection, and faster rate of expansion.  That said, many of these god-forsaken critters are non-native and invasive.  Additionally, each species has a freeze tolerance that results in limits to its habitats.  What were once sporadic incursions into more northern areas, fewer deep freezes allow for sustained infestations.  So, trade gives you non-natives, and global warming allows them to thrive, and homogeneity allows them to explode.  Yeah for trifectas!</p>
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		<title>By: rpauli</title>
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		<dc:creator>rpauli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course denialism is getting worse too.   

Reports of increasing cases of passive doubters, more voices of the uncommitted, more declarations of ignorance, and the most distressing of all - more paid professional skeptics.

And we see the beginnings of a Magical Wizard of Oz group --&quot;pay no attention to that man behind the curtain&quot;  This group thinks that clean coal will be the solution, that nuclear will rescue us, and that there is no pressing problem - we can just wait and fix it later. 

Delusional denialism is our biggest problem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course denialism is getting worse too.   </p>
<p>Reports of increasing cases of passive doubters, more voices of the uncommitted, more declarations of ignorance, and the most distressing of all &#8211; more paid professional skeptics.</p>
<p>And we see the beginnings of a Magical Wizard of Oz group &#8211;&#8221;pay no attention to that man behind the curtain&#8221;  This group thinks that clean coal will be the solution, that nuclear will rescue us, and that there is no pressing problem &#8211; we can just wait and fix it later. </p>
<p>Delusional denialism is our biggest problem</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pine Beetles, as the name indicates infest a particular species. So rather than killing a forest, is it possible that beetle outbreaks are the beginning of greater forest diversification of species?

A forest of mostly lodge pole pines might be desirable to the logging industry but maybe the beetles aren&#039;t killing the forest as much as just changing it. Beetles like fire could be part of a beneficial natural cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pine Beetles, as the name indicates infest a particular species. So rather than killing a forest, is it possible that beetle outbreaks are the beginning of greater forest diversification of species?</p>
<p>A forest of mostly lodge pole pines might be desirable to the logging industry but maybe the beetles aren&#8217;t killing the forest as much as just changing it. Beetles like fire could be part of a beneficial natural cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: caerbannog</title>
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		<dc:creator>caerbannog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
Uhh … San Diego, surrounded by fire-prone forest global warming is making more fire-prone, has a paper endorsing McCain/Palin?
&lt;/i&gt;


In some respects, the San Diego Union-Tribune is like a low-rent Wall Street Journal -- first-rate reporters and nutcase editorial writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><br />
Uhh … San Diego, surrounded by fire-prone forest global warming is making more fire-prone, has a paper endorsing McCain/Palin?<br />
</i></p>
<p>In some respects, the San Diego Union-Tribune is like a low-rent Wall Street Journal &#8212; first-rate reporters and nutcase editorial writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cannot trust this research because a huge amount of it was done with earmarks. &quot;I kid you not.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cannot trust this research because a huge amount of it was done with earmarks. &#8220;I kid you not.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gaiasdaughter</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaiasdaughter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in the Florida panhandle we&#039;ve lost a lot of pines to bark beetles as well.  The local wisdom is that the trees were weakened by the recent spate of hurricanes and the bark beetles finished them off.  Our beautiful blue herons rely on the pines for nesting and they are now fighting over the few remaining trees.  Just a few springs ago, the noise of baby herons made it difficult to carry on a conversation outdoors.  Now it is rare to hear their squawky chatter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in the Florida panhandle we&#8217;ve lost a lot of pines to bark beetles as well.  The local wisdom is that the trees were weakened by the recent spate of hurricanes and the bark beetles finished them off.  Our beautiful blue herons rely on the pines for nesting and they are now fighting over the few remaining trees.  Just a few springs ago, the noise of baby herons made it difficult to carry on a conversation outdoors.  Now it is rare to hear their squawky chatter.</p>
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		<title>By: llewelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>llewelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhh ... San Diego, surrounded by fire-prone forest global warming is making more fire-prone, has a paper endorsing McCain/Palin?
I had thought the Republican motto was &#039;drill baby drill&#039;, but now I guess it&#039;s &#039;burn baby burn&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhh &#8230; San Diego, surrounded by fire-prone forest global warming is making more fire-prone, has a paper endorsing McCain/Palin?<br />
I had thought the Republican motto was &#8216;drill baby drill&#8217;, but now I guess it&#8217;s &#8216;burn baby burn&#8217;.</p>
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