Comments on: Q: Does a cap & trade bill have to be bipartisan? http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/27/q-does-a-cap-and-trade-bill-have-to-be-bipartisan/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:55:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Susan Kraemer http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/27/q-does-a-cap-and-trade-bill-have-to-be-bipartisan/#comment-21118 Susan Kraemer Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:28:34 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/27/q-does-a-cap-and-trade-bill-have-to-be-bipartisan/#comment-21118 heh. Actually, I usually think of them as the green states versus the brown states (brown: oil industry) but since those states (with the resource curse) are also red states, I mixed the metaphor... heh.

Actually, I usually think of them as the green states versus the brown states (brown: oil industry) but since those states (with the resource curse) are also red states, I mixed the metaphor…

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/27/q-does-a-cap-and-trade-bill-have-to-be-bipartisan/#comment-21103 David B. Benson Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:53:56 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/27/q-does-a-cap-and-trade-bill-have-to-be-bipartisan/#comment-21103 Susan Kraemer --- Green and red? What a terrible color combination. :-) Susan Kraemer — Green and red? What a terrible color combination. :-)

]]> By: Susan Kraemer http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/27/q-does-a-cap-and-trade-bill-have-to-be-bipartisan/#comment-21101 Susan Kraemer Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:05:30 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/27/q-does-a-cap-and-trade-bill-have-to-be-bipartisan/#comment-21101 Not if we get to 60. Even 58, (because their Collins and Snowe will vote with us.) Can't legislation be written to be long term, so it cannot be gutted when they take over again? Can we learn from the ways the Republicans rolled everything back how to not let it happen again? How about 1. Make every American a stakeholder in a green economy with dividends: electranet with feed in tariffs. 2. Use legislation to force the spread of green industry and jobs to the red states? Not if we get to 60. Even 58, (because their Collins and Snowe will vote with us.)

Can’t legislation be written to be long term, so it cannot be gutted when they take over again? Can we learn from the ways the Republicans rolled everything back how to not let it happen again?

How about
1. Make every American a stakeholder in a green economy with dividends: electranet with feed in tariffs.
2. Use legislation to force the spread of green industry and jobs to the red states?

]]> By: hapa http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/27/q-does-a-cap-and-trade-bill-have-to-be-bipartisan/#comment-21097 hapa Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:20:07 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/27/q-does-a-cap-and-trade-bill-have-to-be-bipartisan/#comment-21097 USA manufacturing is slowing to a crawl. steel orders nearly half. no improvement foreseeable in coming year or two, or longer. this is our best chance to retool and then deploy in power and transportation sectors -- no production bottleneck, no labor bottleneck -- and also a great opportunity to shift to green building through aggressive training and code adjustment, while that sector is "resting." the federal credit line is the only one that can do it. but what will we get? a multi-year fight to pass a plan that kicks in ten years from now? no real peak oil adaptation? ongoing economic advice from people who think derivatives are the economic engine of the world? "enhancing future growth"? this is what it means, to "get it" or not. can you seize a big chance? or are you constrained by certainty that other systems -- even as they fail utterly on their own terms -- must be maintained first, before the biophysical. USA manufacturing is slowing to a crawl. steel orders nearly half. no improvement foreseeable in coming year or two, or longer. this is our best chance to retool and then deploy in power and transportation sectors — no production bottleneck, no labor bottleneck — and also a great opportunity to shift to green building through aggressive training and code adjustment, while that sector is “resting.”

the federal credit line is the only one that can do it. but what will we get? a multi-year fight to pass a plan that kicks in ten years from now? no real peak oil adaptation? ongoing economic advice from people who think derivatives are the economic engine of the world? “enhancing future growth”?

this is what it means, to “get it” or not. can you seize a big chance? or are you constrained by certainty that other systems — even as they fail utterly on their own terms — must be maintained first, before the biophysical.

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