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	<title>Comments on: Revealing comments on coal from Obama &#8212; and even more revealing comments from McCain</title>
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		<title>By: joeRT</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/03/revealing-comments-on-coal-from-obama-and-mccain/#comment-21407</link>
		<dc:creator>joeRT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No wonder Obama desperately wanted everyone to vote early- he&#039;s terrified that more and more of his socialist and imbecilic rhetorical spewings will surface, reinforcing the generally held belief that he&#039;s naive and will say anything to anyone to get a vote. More important than some junk pseudo-science about &quot;global warming&quot; is affordable electricity and power production to insure America&#039;s stability, economic health, employment and industrial productivity. You Luddites should return to tallow candles; perhaps the Obamatrons can provide them in a massive government giveaway. 

Go coal! Go McCain!

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  McCain&#039;s policies would hit coal about as hard as Obama&#039;s.  Oh, wait, I know, you just assume that McCain is lying about his plans to cut carbon emissions 60% to 70% by 2050.  Yeah, that&#039;s  the candidate to vote for -- the one who supports your position is only if he is a serial liar.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder Obama desperately wanted everyone to vote early- he&#8217;s terrified that more and more of his socialist and imbecilic rhetorical spewings will surface, reinforcing the generally held belief that he&#8217;s naive and will say anything to anyone to get a vote. More important than some junk pseudo-science about &#8220;global warming&#8221; is affordable electricity and power production to insure America&#8217;s stability, economic health, employment and industrial productivity. You Luddites should return to tallow candles; perhaps the Obamatrons can provide them in a massive government giveaway. </p>
<p>Go coal! Go McCain!</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  McCain's policies would hit coal about as hard as Obama's.  Oh, wait, I know, you just assume that McCain is lying about his plans to cut carbon emissions 60% to 70% by 2050.  Yeah, that's  the candidate to vote for -- the one who supports your position is only if he is a serial liar.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: jorleh</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/03/revealing-comments-on-coal-from-obama-and-mccain/#comment-21374</link>
		<dc:creator>jorleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain-Palin would be the end of our civilization as we know it, as said. Let´s hope we can continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain-Palin would be the end of our civilization as we know it, as said. Let´s hope we can continue.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/03/revealing-comments-on-coal-from-obama-and-mccain/#comment-21348</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now thats Direct Climate Action!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now thats Direct Climate Action!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Alt</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/03/revealing-comments-on-coal-from-obama-and-mccain/#comment-21339</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Alt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scare-mongers say the interview was hidden by the newspaper.  But the audio is right where it&#039;s always been - on the SF Chronicle website.  It is a long Q&amp;A session between Obama and the editorial board back in January.   

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=42&amp;entry_id=23562 

Relevant comments are from 23:30 - 19:30 minutes.    Here is my transcript.  Just the comments that are in addition to the Youtube video and what Joe has provided above.  

- - - - - Website audio  - - - 

Caillie Millner(?),&lt;i&gt; one of the editorial writers.  So Senator, you introduced a bill promoting coal-to-liquid fuels and then you said you&#039;d only support them if they produced fewer greenhouse gases than gasoline.  Now, all the scientific evidence points to coal being dirtier than pretty much anything else.  So how are you going to square your support for coal with the need to fight global warming?&lt;/i&gt; 

Obama - &lt;i&gt;Oh, uh,  I&#039;ve already, I&#039;ve already done it.  You know, I voted against the Clear Skies Bill.  In fact I was the deciding vote, despite the fact that I&#039;m a coal state and that half of my state thought I&#039;d thoroughly betrayed them.  Because I think clean air is critical and that global warming is critical. &lt;/i&gt; 

[ Skipping comments already blogged above ]

Obama - &lt;i&gt;The point is, if we set rigorous standards for the allowable emissions then we can allow the market to determine, and technology and entrepreneurs to pursue what&#039;s the best approach to take.  As opposed to us at the outset saying - &#039;here are the winners that we&#039;re picking&#039; - and maybe we pick wrong and maybe we&#039;d pick right. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scare-mongers say the interview was hidden by the newspaper.  But the audio is right where it&#8217;s always been &#8211; on the SF Chronicle website.  It is a long Q&amp;A session between Obama and the editorial board back in January.   </p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=42&amp;entry_id=23562" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>cgi-bin/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>blogs/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>sfgate/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>detail?blogid=42&amp;entry_id=23562</a> </p>
<p>Relevant comments are from 23:30 &#8211; 19:30 minutes.    Here is my transcript.  Just the comments that are in addition to the Youtube video and what Joe has provided above.  </p>
<p>- &#8211; - &#8211; - Website audio  &#8211; - &#8211; </p>
<p>Caillie Millner(?),<i> one of the editorial writers.  So Senator, you introduced a bill promoting coal-to-liquid fuels and then you said you&#8217;d only support them if they produced fewer greenhouse gases than gasoline.  Now, all the scientific evidence points to coal being dirtier than pretty much anything else.  So how are you going to square your support for coal with the need to fight global warming?</i> </p>
<p>Obama &#8211; <i>Oh, uh,  I&#8217;ve already, I&#8217;ve already done it.  You know, I voted against the Clear Skies Bill.  In fact I was the deciding vote, despite the fact that I&#8217;m a coal state and that half of my state thought I&#8217;d thoroughly betrayed them.  Because I think clean air is critical and that global warming is critical. </i> </p>
<p>[ Skipping comments already blogged above ]</p>
<p>Obama &#8211; <i>The point is, if we set rigorous standards for the allowable emissions then we can allow the market to determine, and technology and entrepreneurs to pursue what&#8217;s the best approach to take.  As opposed to us at the outset saying &#8211; &#8216;here are the winners that we&#8217;re picking&#8217; &#8211; and maybe we pick wrong and maybe we&#8217;d pick right. </i></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/03/revealing-comments-on-coal-from-obama-and-mccain/#comment-21338</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to puzzle about the timing: The tape wasn&#039;t &#039;leaked&#039; - it&#039;s been available at the Chron&#039;s website since their January interview.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/03/MNTL13SU6S.DTL&amp;hw=marinucci&amp;sn=001&amp;sc=1000

 McCain&#039;s campaign just decided to highlight it now and spin it as a leak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to puzzle about the timing: The tape wasn&#8217;t &#8216;leaked&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s been available at the Chron&#8217;s website since their January interview.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/03/MNTL13SU6S.DTL&amp;hw=marinucci&amp;sn=001&amp;sc=1000" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>cgi-bin/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>article.cgi?f=/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>c/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>a/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2008/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>11/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>03/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>MNTL13SU6S.DTL&amp;hw=marinucci&amp;sn=001&amp;sc=1000</a></p>
<p> McCain&#8217;s campaign just decided to highlight it now and spin it as a leak.</p>
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		<title>By: chrish</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/03/revealing-comments-on-coal-from-obama-and-mccain/#comment-21334</link>
		<dc:creator>chrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minor but important clarification: the tape ws not recently &quot;leaked;&quot; it has been available at sfgate.com since january
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/opinionshop/detail?blogid=42&amp;entry_id=23562

It is just recently being mined  and exploited by an increasingly desperate right wing media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor but important clarification: the tape ws not recently &#8220;leaked;&#8221; it has been available at sfgate.com since january<br />
<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/opinionshop/detail?blogid=42&amp;entry_id=23562" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>cgi-bin/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>blogs/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>opinionshop/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>detail?blogid=42&amp;entry_id=23562</a></p>
<p>It is just recently being mined  and exploited by an increasingly desperate right wing media.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Kraemer</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/03/revealing-comments-on-coal-from-obama-and-mccain/#comment-21330</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Kraemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s going to be an annoying few years, drumming up this kind of resistance to cap and trade, but I think we will get good policy. 

80% of US CO2 emissions come from just 620 old coal plants.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/renewable-energy-tt1001.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Per MIT:&lt;/a&gt; &quot;The central problem, Hogan says, is that 80 percent of U.S. carbon dioxide from electricity generation, and about a third of the nation&#039;s overall emissions, come from just 620 coal-burning power plants. Thus, any attempt to reduce greenhouse gas emissions must focus squarely on addressing these plants.&quot;

And...

A third of new capacity added last year was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/magazine/story?id=53498&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; wind power&lt;/a&gt;
&quot;For the third consecutive year, wind power was the second-largest new resource added to the US electrical grid in terms of nameplate capacity, behind the 7500 MW of new natural gas plants, but ahead of the 1400 MW of new coal. New wind plants contributed roughly 35% of the new nameplate capacity added to the US electrical grid in 2007&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s going to be an annoying few years, drumming up this kind of resistance to cap and trade, but I think we will get good policy. </p>
<p>80% of US CO2 emissions come from just 620 old coal plants.</p>
<p><a href="http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/renewable-energy-tt1001.html" rel="nofollow">Per MIT:</a> &#8220;The central problem, Hogan says, is that 80 percent of U.S. carbon dioxide from electricity generation, and about a third of the nation&#8217;s overall emissions, come from just 620 coal-burning power plants. Thus, any attempt to reduce greenhouse gas emissions must focus squarely on addressing these plants.&#8221;</p>
<p>And&#8230;</p>
<p>A third of new capacity added last year was <a href="http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/magazine/story?id=53498" rel="nofollow"> wind power</a><br />
&#8220;For the third consecutive year, wind power was the second-largest new resource added to the US electrical grid in terms of nameplate capacity, behind the 7500 MW of new natural gas plants, but ahead of the 1400 MW of new coal. New wind plants contributed roughly 35% of the new nameplate capacity added to the US electrical grid in 2007&#8243;</p>
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		<title>By: llewelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>llewelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coal blew it&#039;s best opportunity. If FutureGen had been a sincere effort to develop carbon capturing coal, they would probably be ready to start building carbon capturing coal plants right now. The infrastructure to store to the captured carbon would still be a huge hurdle, but a full-scale test of the capturing would be very near. 

But FutureGen was a boondoggle, and nobody in the coal industry responded in a way that might discourage similar charlatanry in future.

On the other hand, CO2 is not by far the only pollution problem that comes with coal. There is mercury, particulates, and many others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coal blew it&#8217;s best opportunity. If FutureGen had been a sincere effort to develop carbon capturing coal, they would probably be ready to start building carbon capturing coal plants right now. The infrastructure to store to the captured carbon would still be a huge hurdle, but a full-scale test of the capturing would be very near. </p>
<p>But FutureGen was a boondoggle, and nobody in the coal industry responded in a way that might discourage similar charlatanry in future.</p>
<p>On the other hand, CO2 is not by far the only pollution problem that comes with coal. There is mercury, particulates, and many others.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Galliani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Galliani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The choice in this election has never been clearer.

A vote for John McCain is a vote for death by climate change.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting that he knows what the truth is, there is not other conclusion then John McCain wants us dead.

My friends, that&#039;s just not pro life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The choice in this election has never been clearer.</p>
<p>A vote for John McCain is a vote for death by climate change.</p>
<p>Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting that he knows what the truth is, there is not other conclusion then John McCain wants us dead.</p>
<p>My friends, that&#8217;s just not pro life.</p>
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