Comments on: Killing the myth of the 1970s global cooling scientific consensus http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:11:44 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: J4zonian http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-29964 J4zonian Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:23:48 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-29964 TB, Your post is unclear: do you mean Hansen wouldn't have called WARMING contrarian if COOLING didn't have support? The use of language is not always perfectly logical or clear, as evidenced by your use of it. Perhaps H was also being less than perfectly explicit. Contrarian can mean "opposed to", which warming certainly is in relation to cooling. Whether something is called a valid scientific theory on a TV show is indicative of nothing: in fact one of the glaring weaknesses of the 1000ppm people is that they (you?) continue to use Newsweek and George Will and TV as references. (And just an aside, why not pick a new moniker? Naming yourself after a disease that has been a scourge of humanity for millennia and is one of the signs of the coming apocalypse might not be the most politic choice, although it IS revealing.) Nick: Your link goes nowhere. So I guess that hottest October thing is working out pretty well so far. Being wrong and smarmy at the same time is not the best combination. Wanna try again? TB,

Your post is unclear: do you mean Hansen wouldn’t have called WARMING contrarian if COOLING didn’t have support? The use of language is not always perfectly logical or clear, as evidenced by your use of it. Perhaps H was also being less than perfectly explicit. Contrarian can mean “opposed to”, which warming certainly is in relation to cooling.

Whether something is called a valid scientific theory on a TV show is indicative of nothing: in fact one of the glaring weaknesses of the 1000ppm people is that they (you?) continue to use Newsweek and George Will and TV as references.

(And just an aside, why not pick a new moniker? Naming yourself after a disease that has been a scourge of humanity for millennia and is one of the signs of the coming apocalypse might not be the most politic choice, although it IS revealing.)

Nick: Your link goes nowhere. So I guess that hottest October thing is working out pretty well so far. Being wrong and smarmy at the same time is not the best combination. Wanna try again?

]]> By: Nick http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-22490 Nick Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:26:39 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-22490 "# Sean J Says: November 10th, 2008 at 10:11 pm October 2008 is the hottest October on record: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt" How's that 'hottest October on record' working out for you Sean... “# Sean J Says: November 10th, 2008 at 10:11 pm October 2008 is the hottest October on record: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt”

How’s that ‘hottest October on record’ working out for you Sean…

]]> By: T B http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-22286 T B Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:55:02 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-22286 Problem is that the review ignores some pretty glaring Global Cooling prognosticators. The leading one being that it was addressed in Hansen's seminal paper on warming where he treats his warming theory as contrarian to the leading cooling theories. Hansen wouldn't have specifically called it out as contrarian if it didn't have widespread scientific support. Secondly, contemporary scientific programs called out global cooling as a valid scientific theory. The show 'Cosmos' highlighted the scientific theory about deforestation increasing the earths albedo and accelerating the cooling effect. Problem is that the review ignores some pretty glaring Global Cooling prognosticators. The leading one being that it was addressed in Hansen’s seminal paper on warming where he treats his warming theory as contrarian to the leading cooling theories. Hansen wouldn’t have specifically called it out as contrarian if it didn’t have widespread scientific support. Secondly, contemporary scientific programs called out global cooling as a valid scientific theory. The show ‘Cosmos’ highlighted the scientific theory about deforestation increasing the earths albedo and accelerating the cooling effect.

]]> By: PurpleOzone http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-22068 PurpleOzone Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:52:17 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-22068 Popular media had vivid articles about global cooling. I remember one -- Washington Post -- included the phrase "possibly the best 15 years the world has (or will) ever know" referring to 1955-1970 "mild" temperatures, i.e., warmer than normal. A book I read ~1974-78 postulated an ice coming coming as inevitable, and talked about the wonder of Paris, children on carousels, etc., topped with layers of ice and finished sadly with "goodbye, Paris". Why did the media choose to emphasize the minority research? Are ice ages more dramatic? Or do they sound more plausible than roasting given that much of the U.S. was under ice 12,000 years ago? Although I had had a detailed explanation of greenhouse gasses, and their potential effect on earth, after Venus was determined to be astonishingly hot, in 1963, by a senior scientist, and I was horrified by it, I don't remember seeing any popular accounts of it in the media. Thanks for calling attention to this research. Popular media had vivid articles about global cooling. I remember one — Washington Post — included the phrase “possibly the best 15 years the world has (or will) ever know” referring to 1955-1970 “mild” temperatures, i.e., warmer than normal.
A book I read ~1974-78 postulated an ice coming coming as inevitable, and talked about the wonder of Paris, children on carousels, etc., topped with layers of ice and finished sadly with “goodbye, Paris”.
Why did the media choose to emphasize the minority research? Are ice ages more dramatic? Or do they sound more plausible than roasting given that much of the U.S. was under ice 12,000 years ago?
Although I had had a detailed explanation of greenhouse gasses, and their potential effect on earth, after Venus was determined to be astonishingly hot, in 1963, by a senior scientist, and I was horrified by it, I don’t remember seeing any popular accounts of it in the media.
Thanks for calling attention to this research.

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-21987 David B. Benson Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:59:28 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-21987 Sean J --- A discussion of this error can be found in a new thread on RealClimate, "Mountains and molehills". Sean J — A discussion of this error can be found in a new thread on RealClimate, “Mountains and molehills”.

]]> By: Dano http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-21981 Dano Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:16:26 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-21981 Just because the myth has been "killed" doesn't mean residents of Winguttia or Simpletonia will stop using it. Best, D Just because the myth has been “killed” doesn’t mean residents of Winguttia or Simpletonia will stop using it.

Best,

D

]]> By: Jim Eaton http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-21953 Jim Eaton Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:55:30 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-21953 Hey, even the books and movies of the time were looking at global warming. For example, Soylent Green (1973) based on the book, Make Room, Make Room (1966), and Blade Runner (1982) based on Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (1968). Both of the movies and books looked at a bleak future due to global warming and overpopulation. Hey, even the books and movies of the time were looking at global warming. For example, Soylent Green (1973) based on the book, Make Room, Make Room (1966), and Blade Runner (1982) based on Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (1968). Both of the movies and books looked at a bleak future due to global warming and overpopulation.

]]> By: cce http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-21949 cce Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:01:06 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-21949 The October GISS numbers have a processing/data error. They will almost certainly be revised downward in the coming days. On another note, I have a short "Layman's" guide to the 1970's cooling "consensus." http://cce.890m.com/?page_id=16 The October GISS numbers have a processing/data error. They will almost certainly be revised downward in the coming days.

On another note, I have a short “Layman’s” guide to the 1970’s cooling “consensus.”

http://cce.890m.com/?page_id=16

]]> By: Uosdwis http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-21946 Uosdwis Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:04:42 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-21946 Education by popular media. They just refuse to let go of that 1979 Newsweek cover. Education by popular media. They just refuse to let go of that 1979 Newsweek cover.

]]> By: paulm http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-21943 paulm Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:13:06 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/10/killing-the-myth-of-the-1970s-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#comment-21943 Hey Joe you got a citation... <b>Hell and high water: Chaos reigns as floods and 70mph winds batter Britain</b> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084630/Hell-high-water-Chaos-reigns-floods-70mph-winds-batter-Britain.html Hey Joe you got a citation…

Hell and high water: Chaos reigns as floods and 70mph winds batter Britain
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ news/ article-1084630/ Hell-high-water-Chaos-reigns-floods-70mph-winds-batter-Britain.html

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