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		<title>By: yellowpage</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/11/a-strategy-for-green-recovery/#comment-60992</link>
		<dc:creator>yellowpage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am deeply in love with every single piece of information you post here. Will be back often to read more updates! If you got time, please visit my blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statesmaine.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Maine Business Directory&lt;/a&gt; and give me your valuable feedbacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am deeply in love with every single piece of information you post here. Will be back often to read more updates! If you got time, please visit my blog <a href="http://www.statesmaine.com" rel="nofollow">Maine Business Directory</a> and give me your valuable feedbacks.</p>
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		<title>By: endependence</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/11/a-strategy-for-green-recovery/#comment-24484</link>
		<dc:creator>endependence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are good suggestions.

The focus on energy independence should not be squandered, and the new President can take ownership of the issue by reframing the argument as a call for &quot;endependence&quot; .

Endependence is energy independence that ends dependence on polluting fuels.

How about a federal rule for solar feed in tarrifs at market rates?

Sign the Declaration of Endependence at http://endependence.info/declaration .

Show us how you save energy.  We will copy your great ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are good suggestions.</p>
<p>The focus on energy independence should not be squandered, and the new President can take ownership of the issue by reframing the argument as a call for &#8220;endependence&#8221; .</p>
<p>Endependence is energy independence that ends dependence on polluting fuels.</p>
<p>How about a federal rule for solar feed in tarrifs at market rates?</p>
<p>Sign the Declaration of Endependence at <a href="http://endependence.info/declaration" rel="nofollow">http://endependence.info/declaration</a> .</p>
<p>Show us how you save energy.  We will copy your great ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bullis</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/11/a-strategy-for-green-recovery/#comment-24444</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bullis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the Solar Challenge cars to see why not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the Solar Challenge cars to see why not.</p>
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		<title>By: bill o</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why not put solar panels on cars so while parked can be trickle charging instead of heating up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why not put solar panels on cars so while parked can be trickle charging instead of heating up?</p>
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		<title>By: Nink</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/11/a-strategy-for-green-recovery/#comment-23394</link>
		<dc:creator>Nink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are all great suggestions and would have a dramatic impact on the environment.  The only concern is that I am not sure they would receive either the attention or funding required unless there was a documented &quot;financial&quot; business case associated with each one.   As a strong supporter of green initiatives we need to remember where the decision makers are focusing and that is on what will result in a financial return on investment and not just an environmental return. 

Perhaps it would be wise if could choose the most obvious cost saving item on the list and build a business case from there.  The item suggesting solar roofs  on federal buildings maybe an interesting item.  If the government was prepared to make a 3.5 Billion dollar investment in this technology I am sure we could show a cost saving over a 10 year time frame in addition to the company(s) who were awarded the contract would be able to enhance the technology and reduce the cost of manufacture.  This would lower the time frame to achieve a cost return on investment for private organizations to invest and open the technology to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are all great suggestions and would have a dramatic impact on the environment.  The only concern is that I am not sure they would receive either the attention or funding required unless there was a documented &#8220;financial&#8221; business case associated with each one.   As a strong supporter of green initiatives we need to remember where the decision makers are focusing and that is on what will result in a financial return on investment and not just an environmental return. </p>
<p>Perhaps it would be wise if could choose the most obvious cost saving item on the list and build a business case from there.  The item suggesting solar roofs  on federal buildings maybe an interesting item.  If the government was prepared to make a 3.5 Billion dollar investment in this technology I am sure we could show a cost saving over a 10 year time frame in addition to the company(s) who were awarded the contract would be able to enhance the technology and reduce the cost of manufacture.  This would lower the time frame to achieve a cost return on investment for private organizations to invest and open the technology to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bullis</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/11/a-strategy-for-green-recovery/#comment-23390</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bullis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David B. Benson,

Where are the rocks?  If they are only near the surface in Oman, it does not seem very practical to do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David B. Benson,</p>
<p>Where are the rocks?  If they are only near the surface in Oman, it does not seem very practical to do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Buffalo Girl</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/11/a-strategy-for-green-recovery/#comment-22643</link>
		<dc:creator>Buffalo Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Cash for Clunkers

We&#039;ve been debating about when to replace our only car - an 18 year old Honda.  We commute via mass transit and so use it for errands and visiting family less than an hour away.  It still gets good mileage and is well-maintained, and we fill the tank about once a month.  But no doubt it burns more oil and whatever, just because seals and things in general age.

Our conclusion is that for us the environmental hit from materials extraction, transportation and manufacture for a new vehicle significantly outweighs the benefit of a cleaner vehicle.

So, with luck we will wait for a true plug-in electric car (or maybe local car-sharing).  And hope that we will build the kind of national electric grid to efficiently distribute solar and wind-generated electricity for it and - ultimately - the only real long-range solution for a growing global industrial civilization, solar power collected in orbit (built from lunar and asteroidal resources).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Cash for Clunkers</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been debating about when to replace our only car &#8211; an 18 year old Honda.  We commute via mass transit and so use it for errands and visiting family less than an hour away.  It still gets good mileage and is well-maintained, and we fill the tank about once a month.  But no doubt it burns more oil and whatever, just because seals and things in general age.</p>
<p>Our conclusion is that for us the environmental hit from materials extraction, transportation and manufacture for a new vehicle significantly outweighs the benefit of a cleaner vehicle.</p>
<p>So, with luck we will wait for a true plug-in electric car (or maybe local car-sharing).  And hope that we will build the kind of national electric grid to efficiently distribute solar and wind-generated electricity for it and &#8211; ultimately &#8211; the only real long-range solution for a growing global industrial civilization, solar power collected in orbit (built from lunar and asteroidal resources).</p>
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		<title>By: DrDan2000</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/11/a-strategy-for-green-recovery/#comment-22613</link>
		<dc:creator>DrDan2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a piddlingly small project proposal this is.  Every home should be insulated and weatherized before next winter. Nobody has the cash so issue a 2% credit card for home insulation materials. Price control polyiso foam spray and panels so everyone can seal their walls and their roof.  Just put it on the outside and cover it.

Rebates and tax credits don&#039;t work. Go to a federal Green Credit Card.

Issue a second 2% credit card for solar hot air collector systems - after the homes are insulated. Turn the furnace off.

The next 2% credit card is for residential and transportation photovoltaic power. Put some real money into the smart grid so we don&#039;t all need a room full of toxic batteries. Charge your electric car from your solar panels.

The final 2% credit card is for a small fully-electric car.  Get a simple, small commuter car on the road by the end of 2009. Forget about hybrids. $25 billion for more of the same? What a joke. I&#039;d rather ride an electric bicycle on a bicycle road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a piddlingly small project proposal this is.  Every home should be insulated and weatherized before next winter. Nobody has the cash so issue a 2% credit card for home insulation materials. Price control polyiso foam spray and panels so everyone can seal their walls and their roof.  Just put it on the outside and cover it.</p>
<p>Rebates and tax credits don&#8217;t work. Go to a federal Green Credit Card.</p>
<p>Issue a second 2% credit card for solar hot air collector systems &#8211; after the homes are insulated. Turn the furnace off.</p>
<p>The next 2% credit card is for residential and transportation photovoltaic power. Put some real money into the smart grid so we don&#8217;t all need a room full of toxic batteries. Charge your electric car from your solar panels.</p>
<p>The final 2% credit card is for a small fully-electric car.  Get a simple, small commuter car on the road by the end of 2009. Forget about hybrids. $25 billion for more of the same? What a joke. I&#8217;d rather ride an electric bicycle on a bicycle road.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/11/a-strategy-for-green-recovery/#comment-22083</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quarter.

[Note to self:  Proofread twice before posting.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quarter.</p>
<p>[Note to self:  Proofread twice before posting.]</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/11/a-strategy-for-green-recovery/#comment-22073</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Bullis --- Encouraging natural mineral weathering which removes CO2 from the air.

Olivine weathering:

ftp://ftp.geog.uu.nl/pub/posters/2008/Let_the_earth_help_us_to_save_the_earth-Schuiling_June2008.pdf
http://www.ecn.nl/docs/library/report/2003/c03016.pdf

Peridotite weathering:
&quot;Rocks Could Be Harnessed To Sponge Vast Amounts Of Carbon Dioxide From Air&quot;:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081105180813.htm

My cost estimates for this range from $38 per tonne of CO2 downwards to a half or quater of that figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Bullis &#8212; Encouraging natural mineral weathering which removes CO2 from the air.</p>
<p>Olivine weathering:</p>
<p><a href="ftp://ftp.geog.uu.nl/pub/posters/2008/Let_the_earth_help_us_to_save_the_earth-Schuiling_June2008.pdf" rel="nofollow">ftp://ftp.geog.uu.nl/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>pub/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>posters/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2008/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>Let_the_earth_help_us_to_save_the_earth-Schuiling_June2008.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ecn.nl/docs/library/report/2003/c03016.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecn.nl/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>docs/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>library/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>report/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2003/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>c03016.pdf</a></p>
<p>Peridotite weathering:<br />
&#8220;Rocks Could Be Harnessed To Sponge Vast Amounts Of Carbon Dioxide From Air&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081105180813.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>releases/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2008/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>11/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>081105180813.htm</a></p>
<p>My cost estimates for this range from $38 per tonne of CO2 downwards to a half or quater of that figure.</p>
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