Comments on: Must-read IEA report explains what must be done to avoid 6°C warming http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:11:08 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Leif http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-188637 Leif Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:52:28 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-188637 Dr. Mantaina Ginosar: IMPACT DAY, (International Motivate the President to Act on Climate Day), conceived and gestated within the loins of this very site, (Nov. 3, @ 3:09 p.m.) is struggling to make the big time. The goal is to swamp the White House web site on Turkey Day with positive vibes for climate action. Pass the word... Grass Roots... Dr. Mantaina Ginosar: IMPACT DAY, (International Motivate the President to Act on Climate Day), conceived and gestated within the loins of this very site, (Nov. 3, @ 3:09 p.m.) is struggling to make the big time. The goal is to swamp the White House web site on Turkey Day with positive vibes for climate action. Pass the word… Grass Roots…

]]> By: Dr. Matania Ginosar http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-188595 Dr. Matania Ginosar Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:25:00 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-188595 It is fascinating to read all these comments. Obviously some are wiser than others. My question is, what has all of these comments to do with actually cutting GHG? There are tremendous amount of blogs on the subject, including mine, and what are we doing to make impact, to reduce coal power plants emissions, to increase conservation? Essentially nothing. It is very satisfying to comment but it does not lead to action. Knowledge does not lead to action! And the most important action is to create political pressure on our Congress, How many of us write and phone our 3 Congress members. How many are urging our family and friends to create political pressure? Very few. We despise politicians, so we do not use the only tools we have to make a difference. Let's concentrate on what may make a difference and less on expressing our views. It is fascinating to read all these comments. Obviously some are wiser than others. My question is, what has all of these comments to do with actually cutting GHG?
There are tremendous amount of blogs on the subject, including mine, and what are we doing to make impact, to reduce coal power plants emissions, to increase conservation? Essentially nothing.

It is very satisfying to comment but it does not lead to action. Knowledge does not lead to action! And the most important action is to create political pressure on our Congress,
How many of us write and phone our 3 Congress members. How many are urging our family and friends to create political pressure?
Very few. We despise politicians, so we do not use the only tools we have to make a difference.
Let’s concentrate on what may make a difference and less on expressing our views.

]]> By: msn nickleri http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-26419 msn nickleri Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:57:35 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-26419 I sort of agree with you, which is why I predict core countries will eventually make the combustion of fossil fuels illegal on the entire globe. I think you will see the first signs of that around 2020 to 2030. I sort of agree with you, which is why I predict core countries will eventually make the combustion of fossil fuels illegal on the entire globe. I think you will see the first signs of that around 2020 to 2030.

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22196 David B. Benson Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:40:17 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22196 Karen --- That is CalTech professor David Rutledge's take on the matter. His post regarding peak coal is over on TheOilDrum. Karen — That is CalTech professor David Rutledge’s take on the matter. His post regarding peak coal is over on TheOilDrum.

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22195 David B. Benson Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:39:26 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22195 Far, far better just to require 'retiring' as much (or more) CO2 as combustion of fossil fuels generates. Use, more example, enhanced mineral weatherization. Far, far better just to require ‘retiring’ as much (or more) CO2 as combustion of fossil fuels generates. Use, more example, enhanced mineral weatherization.

]]> By: JCH http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22188 JCH Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:23:16 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22188 "No matter how much price you put on carbon, it will still be profitable to use fossil fuels. This is precisely because of the inertia that is built into our global market. Everything is tied to oil, natural gas and coal. We don’t have an infrastructure to run a non-fossil-fuel economy. ..." - vakibs I sort of agree with you, which is why I predict core countries will eventually make the combustion of fossil fuels illegal on the entire globe. I think you will see the first signs of that around 2020 to 2030. “No matter how much price you put on carbon, it will still be profitable to use fossil fuels. This is precisely because of the inertia that is built into our global market. Everything is tied to oil, natural gas and coal. We don’t have an infrastructure to run a non-fossil-fuel economy. …” – vakibs

I sort of agree with you, which is why I predict core countries will eventually make the combustion of fossil fuels illegal on the entire globe. I think you will see the first signs of that around 2020 to 2030.

]]> By: Joe http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22184 Joe Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:49:01 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22184 Karen -- One guy's calculation is not much to go on. I actually think that the person who wrote that post doesn't really understand the latest IPCC analysis, particularly its discussion of feedbacks. I'd like to say I will get back to this, but the news is flying so fast and furious, I barely have time to respond to comments. Karen — One guy’s calculation is not much to go on.

I actually think that the person who wrote that post doesn’t really understand the latest IPCC analysis, particularly its discussion of feedbacks.

I’d like to say I will get back to this, but the news is flying so fast and furious, I barely have time to respond to comments.

]]> By: Karen http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22183 Karen Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:44:36 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22183 Joe, on this subject, I'd be interested in reading your take (in all your free time ;-) ) on a new post in Nature's Climate Feedback blog, which claims there may not be enough fossil fuel to get us to an A1FI-type scenario (altho curiously they don't refer to A1FI but to A1G). I have not paid the $ to get the full IEA report but can't imagine it remotely syncs. http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2008/11/energy_vs_climate_a_surprising.html Thanks. Karen Joe, on this subject, I’d be interested in reading your take (in all your free time ;-) ) on a new post in Nature’s Climate Feedback blog, which claims there may not be enough fossil fuel to get us to an A1FI-type scenario (altho curiously they don’t refer to A1FI but to A1G). I have not paid the $ to get the full IEA report but can’t imagine it remotely syncs.

http://blogs.nature.com/ climatefeedback/ 2008/ 11/ energy_vs_climate_a_surprising.html

Thanks.
Karen

]]> By: vakibs http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22158 vakibs Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:24:20 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22158 You cannot put a price on carbon. This is quite stupid, and suffers from circular thinking. All the global currencies are tied to energy prices. In effect, it is energy that is the true currency in our world (not US dollars). Energy prices are the true indicators of the health of the global market. No matter how much price you put on carbon, it will still be profitable to use fossil fuels. This is precisely because of the inertia that is built into our global market. Everything is tied to oil, natural gas and coal. We don't have an infrastructure to run a non-fossil-fuel economy. No price on carbon will guarantee the establishment of such an infrastructure. You cannot put a price on carbon. This is quite stupid, and suffers from circular thinking.

All the global currencies are tied to energy prices. In effect, it is energy that is the true currency in our world (not US dollars). Energy prices are the true indicators of the health of the global market.

No matter how much price you put on carbon, it will still be profitable to use fossil fuels. This is precisely because of the inertia that is built into our global market. Everything is tied to oil, natural gas and coal. We don’t have an infrastructure to run a non-fossil-fuel economy.

No price on carbon will guarantee the establishment of such an infrastructure.

]]> By: Larry Coleman http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22138 Larry Coleman Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:28:45 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/12/must-read-iea-report-explains-what-must-be-done-to-avoid-6%c2%b0c-warming/#comment-22138 Clearly, deniers like HH and Ray have no idea how they appear to anyone who understands the science. It would be revealing to see what they use as sources. It would be revealing to know what they understand science to be. Many (most?) deniers quote, e.g., Crichton as one of their talking points. This immediately tells us all we need to know about their cred. The irony is that, after politicizing the science of climate change, deniers complain that it is politicized and see even valid science as political partisanship. And they believe it. Clearly, deniers like HH and Ray have no idea how they appear to anyone who understands the science. It would be revealing to see what they use as sources. It would be revealing to know what they understand science to be. Many (most?) deniers quote, e.g., Crichton as one of their talking points. This immediately tells us all we need to know about their cred.

The irony is that, after politicizing the science of climate change, deniers complain that it is politicized and see even valid science as political partisanship. And they believe it.

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