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	<title>Comments on: USDA labels farmed fish &#8216;organic&#8217;, candy corn a &#8216;vegetable&#8217;, and Bush an &#8216;environmentalist&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: jenyddaigl</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/20/usda-labels-farmed-fish-organic-candy-corn-a-vegetable-and-bush-an-environmentalist/#comment-152714</link>
		<dc:creator>jenyddaigl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>individual earth events basis yahoo points actual economics</description>
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		<title>By: westbrookc</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/20/usda-labels-farmed-fish-organic-candy-corn-a-vegetable-and-bush-an-environmentalist/#comment-148352</link>
		<dc:creator>westbrookc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fuel weather work 0 actual doi case middle</description>
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		<title>By: wyndellmac</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/20/usda-labels-farmed-fish-organic-candy-corn-a-vegetable-and-bush-an-environmentalist/#comment-148351</link>
		<dc:creator>wyndellmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bush resulting new majority douglass</description>
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		<title>By: roscokraus</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/20/usda-labels-farmed-fish-organic-candy-corn-a-vegetable-and-bush-an-environmentalist/#comment-148163</link>
		<dc:creator>roscokraus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cost mitigating security last</description>
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		<title>By: Ian Forrester</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/20/usda-labels-farmed-fish-organic-candy-corn-a-vegetable-and-bush-an-environmentalist/#comment-22724</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Forrester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think this is bad it is only the thin edge of the wedge as the Bush Administration continues to allow large multi-national Agricultural companies to jeopardize the health of Americans.

&quot;In the waning months of the Bush administration, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) has joined the ranks of federal agencies rushing through new regulations that weaken protections for human health and the environment. USDA has released a proposed rule that would significantly weaken oversight of all genetically engineered crops, and which continue to allow companies to grow food crops engineered to produce drugs and industrial chemicals&quot;.

http://ga3.org/campaign/GMOregs

These companies no longer argue that the rDNA genes will not be transferred to other plant species, but now are saying &quot;It is important to recognize that the kind of gene flow alleged in the Nature paper is both inevitable and welcome&quot;.

(Prakash, C (2002) Joint Statement of Scientific Discourse in Mexican GM Maize Scandal, 24 February).

Anyone beside me notice the parallel between what the AGW deniers and pro-GM seed promoters are saying about the long term effects of their junk science?

The contamination of corn and other food crops by genes producing extremely potent pharmaceuticals or toxic industrial chemicals is more worthy of concern than what is being allowed to be termed &quot;organic fish&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think this is bad it is only the thin edge of the wedge as the Bush Administration continues to allow large multi-national Agricultural companies to jeopardize the health of Americans.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the waning months of the Bush administration, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) has joined the ranks of federal agencies rushing through new regulations that weaken protections for human health and the environment. USDA has released a proposed rule that would significantly weaken oversight of all genetically engineered crops, and which continue to allow companies to grow food crops engineered to produce drugs and industrial chemicals&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://ga3.org/campaign/GMOregs" rel="nofollow">http://ga3.org/campaign/GMOregs</a></p>
<p>These companies no longer argue that the rDNA genes will not be transferred to other plant species, but now are saying &#8220;It is important to recognize that the kind of gene flow alleged in the Nature paper is both inevitable and welcome&#8221;.</p>
<p>(Prakash, C (2002) Joint Statement of Scientific Discourse in Mexican GM Maize Scandal, 24 February).</p>
<p>Anyone beside me notice the parallel between what the AGW deniers and pro-GM seed promoters are saying about the long term effects of their junk science?</p>
<p>The contamination of corn and other food crops by genes producing extremely potent pharmaceuticals or toxic industrial chemicals is more worthy of concern than what is being allowed to be termed &#8220;organic fish&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/20/usda-labels-farmed-fish-organic-candy-corn-a-vegetable-and-bush-an-environmentalist/#comment-22607</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow feeding antibiotics shouldn&#039;t be considered &#039;organic&#039;, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow feeding antibiotics shouldn&#8217;t be considered &#8216;organic&#8217;, either.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/20/usda-labels-farmed-fish-organic-candy-corn-a-vegetable-and-bush-an-environmentalist/#comment-22606</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no objection, in principle, to fish farms and farmed fish.  But the fish farm practices obviously need serious regulatory oversight.

Anyway, unless the fish food is 100% organic, the fish product should not even be labeled &#039;organically farmed fish&#039; or some such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no objection, in principle, to fish farms and farmed fish.  But the fish farm practices obviously need serious regulatory oversight.</p>
<p>Anyway, unless the fish food is 100% organic, the fish product should not even be labeled &#8216;organically farmed fish&#8217; or some such.</p>
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		<title>By: amd</title>
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		<dc:creator>amd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, farmed fish are still given antiobiotics. It depends on the actual fish species farmed, but farmed salmon in BC are often still given antibiotics. I wonder if they&#039;re going to include the chemicals that they can give the salmon to make their flesh more pink and thus more desirable to buy.
Don&#039;t even get me started on the parasite issues...farmed salmon pens are suspected to help distribute parasites to wild salmon passing near the farms.

Bottom line is salmon farms include a host of problems that some believe is far worse than the lack of farmed fish in the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, farmed fish are still given antiobiotics. It depends on the actual fish species farmed, but farmed salmon in BC are often still given antibiotics. I wonder if they&#8217;re going to include the chemicals that they can give the salmon to make their flesh more pink and thus more desirable to buy.<br />
Don&#8217;t even get me started on the parasite issues&#8230;farmed salmon pens are suspected to help distribute parasites to wild salmon passing near the farms.</p>
<p>Bottom line is salmon farms include a host of problems that some believe is far worse than the lack of farmed fish in the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just in, FDA labels ketchup as a vegetable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just in, FDA labels ketchup as a vegetable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bullis</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/20/usda-labels-farmed-fish-organic-candy-corn-a-vegetable-and-bush-an-environmentalist/#comment-22580</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bullis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some years ago people realize there would not be enough moose for everyone so they invented the domesticated cow.  This caused a huge uproar by people who had no idea what they were talking about.  Eventually it all settled down and beef became acceptable.

Seriously, fish farming has to happen if we want to have enough protein to feed the world.  Lets not go off on the rice and beans stuff.  At least for myself fish is a strong preference.

Fish farming depends on how and where it is done.  Adequate water flow is essential for healthy conditions.  It is my understanding that anti-biotics were once used somewhere, but the main operations no longer do that.  

This is not to say that there have not been problems.  There are parasites in many wild ocean fish that can be more of a problem in a more localized operation.  This is serious, but I think it is very important to the world that we encourage projects to work out the problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago people realize there would not be enough moose for everyone so they invented the domesticated cow.  This caused a huge uproar by people who had no idea what they were talking about.  Eventually it all settled down and beef became acceptable.</p>
<p>Seriously, fish farming has to happen if we want to have enough protein to feed the world.  Lets not go off on the rice and beans stuff.  At least for myself fish is a strong preference.</p>
<p>Fish farming depends on how and where it is done.  Adequate water flow is essential for healthy conditions.  It is my understanding that anti-biotics were once used somewhere, but the main operations no longer do that.  </p>
<p>This is not to say that there have not been problems.  There are parasites in many wild ocean fish that can be more of a problem in a more localized operation.  This is serious, but I think it is very important to the world that we encourage projects to work out the problems.</p>
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