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	<title>Comments on: NBC nixes TV&#8217;s only global climate change show during &#8220;Green Week&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Sadquark</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/22/nbc-nixes-tvs-only-climate-show-during-green-week/#comment-22945</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadquark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused which side of this debate, if there really is a debate anymore, you are on Paper.  It seems to me that, without positing any defensable position of your own and simply taking potshots from the safeseats, all you actually accomplish is irritation, which actually incites your opposition to a greater and more ardent defence of their position.

True, it fits the name, but it seems awfully pedantic to me and if your goal is to actually pursuade folks not to believe that the Earth G.A.T. isn&#039;t rising due to human influence, then you&#039;re failing in a rather spectacular way.

If your goal is just to forum troll, well then...wow.  You need to reevaluate the worth of how you spend the time you are alotted in this life.

Steve, any idea as to whether or not the chinese company in question plans to import these vehicles or build them here long term?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused which side of this debate, if there really is a debate anymore, you are on Paper.  It seems to me that, without positing any defensable position of your own and simply taking potshots from the safeseats, all you actually accomplish is irritation, which actually incites your opposition to a greater and more ardent defence of their position.</p>
<p>True, it fits the name, but it seems awfully pedantic to me and if your goal is to actually pursuade folks not to believe that the Earth G.A.T. isn&#8217;t rising due to human influence, then you&#8217;re failing in a rather spectacular way.</p>
<p>If your goal is just to forum troll, well then&#8230;wow.  You need to reevaluate the worth of how you spend the time you are alotted in this life.</p>
<p>Steve, any idea as to whether or not the chinese company in question plans to import these vehicles or build them here long term?</p>
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		<title>By: Papertiger</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/22/nbc-nixes-tvs-only-climate-show-during-green-week/#comment-22937</link>
		<dc:creator>Papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When social darwinists marry climate change malthusians, the reasonable person doesn&#039;t trouble his mind deciding which side of the congregation to sit in.
Instead he prays for rain on the ceremonies.

That&#039;s what I&#039;ll be doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When social darwinists marry climate change malthusians, the reasonable person doesn&#8217;t trouble his mind deciding which side of the congregation to sit in.<br />
Instead he prays for rain on the ceremonies.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;ll be doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurizio Morabito</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/22/nbc-nixes-tvs-only-climate-show-during-green-week/#comment-22850</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurizio Morabito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is NBC going to introduce something else in place? Was this decision linked to any analysis of audience sizes and/or pressure from advertisers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is NBC going to introduce something else in place? Was this decision linked to any analysis of audience sizes and/or pressure from advertisers?</p>
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		<title>By: Papertiger</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/22/nbc-nixes-tvs-only-climate-show-during-green-week/#comment-22783</link>
		<dc:creator>Papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Salmony, for being honest about your position regarding the next generations. It&#039;s refreshing to finally meet an Al Gore backer who doesn&#039;t cloak his dogma in touchie feelie claptrap about saving the planet for the kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Salmony, for being honest about your position regarding the next generations. It&#8217;s refreshing to finally meet an Al Gore backer who doesn&#8217;t cloak his dogma in touchie feelie claptrap about saving the planet for the kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bloom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Papertiger, sweetie, you can think of Stanford as the capital of Silicon Valley.  Perhaps you&#039;ve heard of the latter.  

Kathy N., I&#039;m all too aware that China is a totalitarian country with serious pollution problems.  That&#039;s not going to help GM out of their competitive pickle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Papertiger, sweetie, you can think of Stanford as the capital of Silicon Valley.  Perhaps you&#8217;ve heard of the latter.  </p>
<p>Kathy N., I&#8217;m all too aware that China is a totalitarian country with serious pollution problems.  That&#8217;s not going to help GM out of their competitive pickle.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Earl Salmony</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/22/nbc-nixes-tvs-only-climate-show-during-green-week/#comment-22780</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Earl Salmony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Friends,

Science is indisputably the finest source for gaining an adequate understanding of the way the world we inhabit actually works and for accurately enough grasping the &quot;placement&quot; of the human species within the order of living things on Earth. But, as others have noted with such clarity and coherence, too many world-class scientists have treated the human overpopulation of Earth as a taboo topic and, even worse, perniciously participated in the politicization of the science of climate change. Barack Obama cannot know whatsoever could somehow be true, in large part, because so many scientists have failed to reasonably assume their responsibilities to science as well as to sensibly fulfill their duties as scientists.

Rather than do what I have been doing over the past 7 years by extolling the virtues of good science, today I am going to try something different.

What follows is a brief artistic expression that is intended to convey a symbolic meaning parallel to but distinct from, and more significant than, the literal meaning.

Please consider an allegory: that a titanic struggle between human beings and the natural world is in the offing. It seems this struggle is fulminating now precisely because too many leaders of the 6.7 billion {soon to be 9+ billion} members of the human family generally do not share the distinctly scientific, evidence-based perspective of many within the Climate Progress community. Many too many of our brothers and sisters, especially those with great wealth and power, pompously and erroneously believe that human organisms are separate from, and somehow superior to, life as we know it on Earth.

At least to me, it appears that an epochal contest is taking shape on the far horizon between the ‘team’ of “mother culture and father profit” on one side and ‘Team’ Mother Nature on the other.

This could be the greatest show on Earth in 10,000 years.

The team of “mother culture and father profit” appears adamant in its willful intentionality to stay the same old business-as-usual course of recklessly overconsuming limited natural resources; relentlessly expanding large-scale production and distribution capabilities without regard to physical limitations of the natural world; and overpopulating our planetary home, come what may for children and coming generations, biodiversity, the environment and the Earth’s body.

Team Mother Nature simply is.

Which team will likely be seen by reasonable and sensible observers as winning the contest for success in 2012, 2020 and 2050, if the human community continues its idolatry of distinctly human overconsumption, overproduction and overpopulation activities by choosing forevermore unbridled overgrowth activities just as we are doing now?

If the leaders of the family of humanity do not choose change, do you have any ideas about which team will prevail and when will the outcome of the colossal contest no longer be in doubt?

Sincerely,

Steve

Steven Earl Salmony
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population,
established 2001
http://sustainabilityscience.org/content.html?contentid=1176</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Friends,</p>
<p>Science is indisputably the finest source for gaining an adequate understanding of the way the world we inhabit actually works and for accurately enough grasping the &#8220;placement&#8221; of the human species within the order of living things on Earth. But, as others have noted with such clarity and coherence, too many world-class scientists have treated the human overpopulation of Earth as a taboo topic and, even worse, perniciously participated in the politicization of the science of climate change. Barack Obama cannot know whatsoever could somehow be true, in large part, because so many scientists have failed to reasonably assume their responsibilities to science as well as to sensibly fulfill their duties as scientists.</p>
<p>Rather than do what I have been doing over the past 7 years by extolling the virtues of good science, today I am going to try something different.</p>
<p>What follows is a brief artistic expression that is intended to convey a symbolic meaning parallel to but distinct from, and more significant than, the literal meaning.</p>
<p>Please consider an allegory: that a titanic struggle between human beings and the natural world is in the offing. It seems this struggle is fulminating now precisely because too many leaders of the 6.7 billion {soon to be 9+ billion} members of the human family generally do not share the distinctly scientific, evidence-based perspective of many within the Climate Progress community. Many too many of our brothers and sisters, especially those with great wealth and power, pompously and erroneously believe that human organisms are separate from, and somehow superior to, life as we know it on Earth.</p>
<p>At least to me, it appears that an epochal contest is taking shape on the far horizon between the ‘team’ of “mother culture and father profit” on one side and ‘Team’ Mother Nature on the other.</p>
<p>This could be the greatest show on Earth in 10,000 years.</p>
<p>The team of “mother culture and father profit” appears adamant in its willful intentionality to stay the same old business-as-usual course of recklessly overconsuming limited natural resources; relentlessly expanding large-scale production and distribution capabilities without regard to physical limitations of the natural world; and overpopulating our planetary home, come what may for children and coming generations, biodiversity, the environment and the Earth’s body.</p>
<p>Team Mother Nature simply is.</p>
<p>Which team will likely be seen by reasonable and sensible observers as winning the contest for success in 2012, 2020 and 2050, if the human community continues its idolatry of distinctly human overconsumption, overproduction and overpopulation activities by choosing forevermore unbridled overgrowth activities just as we are doing now?</p>
<p>If the leaders of the family of humanity do not choose change, do you have any ideas about which team will prevail and when will the outcome of the colossal contest no longer be in doubt?</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Steve</p>
<p>Steven Earl Salmony<br />
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population,<br />
established 2001<br />
<a href="http://sustainabilityscience.org/content.html?contentid=1176" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilityscience.org/content.html?contentid=1176</a></p>
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		<title>By: Papertiger</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/22/nbc-nixes-tvs-only-climate-show-during-green-week/#comment-22777</link>
		<dc:creator>Papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Jimmy, preaching to the choir. Giving a speech in San Fran is the equivalent of a retreat. Pulling back to regroup.

BTW did you know that Stanford&#039;s school motto is &quot;Die Luft der Freiheit weht&quot;?
It&#039;s German and it roughly translates as &quot;This school blows&quot;.

Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Jimmy, preaching to the choir. Giving a speech in San Fran is the equivalent of a retreat. Pulling back to regroup.</p>
<p>BTW did you know that Stanford&#8217;s school motto is &#8220;Die Luft der Freiheit weht&#8221;?<br />
It&#8217;s German and it roughly translates as &#8220;This school blows&#8221;.</p>
<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/22/nbc-nixes-tvs-only-climate-show-during-green-week/#comment-22773</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
NASA scientist cites &#039;global-warming emergency&#039; 
http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/show_story.php?id=10155
....
&quot;We&#039;ve reached a point where we have a crisis, an emergency, but people don&#039;t know that,&quot; Hansen told a packed Stanford audience Thursday night.
....
Hansen, who first warned about climate change in testimony to Congress in the late 198s, said a path out of the crisis is, &quot;barely, still possible.&quot;
...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
NASA scientist cites &#8216;global-warming emergency&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/show_story.php?id=10155" rel="nofollow">http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/show_story.php?id=10155</a><br />
&#8230;.<br />
&#8220;We&#8217;ve reached a point where we have a crisis, an emergency, but people don&#8217;t know that,&#8221; Hansen told a packed Stanford audience Thursday night.<br />
&#8230;.<br />
Hansen, who first warned about climate change in testimony to Congress in the late 198s, said a path out of the crisis is, &#8220;barely, still possible.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;
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		<title>By: Papertiger</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/22/nbc-nixes-tvs-only-climate-show-during-green-week/#comment-22769</link>
		<dc:creator>Papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ding dong the witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Weather Witch! 
Ding dong the weather witch is dead!
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Weather Witch is dead. She&#039;s gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let&#039;s open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong&#039; the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know 
The Weather Witch is dead!

As Mayor of the Munchkin City, In the County of the Land of Oz, I welcome you most regally. 
But we have to verify it legally.
To see...
To see?
If she...
If she?
Is morally, ethic&#039;lly
Spiritually, physically
Positively, absolutely
Undeniably and reliably Dead.
[Call the Coroner]

As Coroner I must aver,
I thoroughly examined her.
And she&#039;s not only merely dead,
she&#039;s really most sincerely dead.

Then this is a day of Independence For all the Munchkins and their descendants
Yes, let the joyous news be spread. The wicked Weather Witch at last is dead!

{or cancelled as the case may be, So I can drive my SUV.}

Heh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ding dong the witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Weather Witch!<br />
Ding dong the weather witch is dead!<br />
Wake up &#8211; sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.<br />
Wake up, the Weather Witch is dead. She&#8217;s gone where the goblins go,<br />
Below &#8211; below &#8211; below. Yo-ho, let&#8217;s open up and sing and ring the bells out.<br />
Ding Dong&#8217; the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.<br />
Let them know<br />
The Weather Witch is dead!</p>
<p>As Mayor of the Munchkin City, In the County of the Land of Oz, I welcome you most regally.<br />
But we have to verify it legally.<br />
To see&#8230;<br />
To see?<br />
If she&#8230;<br />
If she?<br />
Is morally, ethic&#8217;lly<br />
Spiritually, physically<br />
Positively, absolutely<br />
Undeniably and reliably Dead.<br />
[Call the Coroner]</p>
<p>As Coroner I must aver,<br />
I thoroughly examined her.<br />
And she&#8217;s not only merely dead,<br />
she&#8217;s really most sincerely dead.</p>
<p>Then this is a day of Independence For all the Munchkins and their descendants<br />
Yes, let the joyous news be spread. The wicked Weather Witch at last is dead!</p>
<p>{or cancelled as the case may be, So I can drive my SUV.}</p>
<p>Heh</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy N.</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/22/nbc-nixes-tvs-only-climate-show-during-green-week/#comment-22763</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Steve ever seen the Doc titled China from the Inside? It is an eye opener about the current state of Pollution in China. The price of the cars and the batteries cost less not only because of lower labor costs but also they don&#039;t have the enviromental cost we do. Your right we don&#039;t compare in cost of these cars or the avalibility but the cost is higher than you think to the worlds looming crisis of pollution that affects us all. They talk a good game of being on top of the Climate Crisis but the look inside says not really. They have a comittee of  propaganda  that works in the open inside the country and their stated purpose is that only information approved by the goverment is ever to be taken as fact. They also have the authority to supress any information from any source they (the committee) deems Against The Goverments Interest. We are behind in everything to do with Climate Change and we have had the old &quot;No Smoking is not bad for your health we swear&quot; ploy used on us by Big oil, Coal and the Auto indusrties when it comes to Climate Change but times are a changing and so is the climate so we will see very so I think how many people have really been taken in by the cheap shots on Climate Change.Does NBC really think it won&#039;t sink the ratings? live and learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Steve ever seen the Doc titled China from the Inside? It is an eye opener about the current state of Pollution in China. The price of the cars and the batteries cost less not only because of lower labor costs but also they don&#8217;t have the enviromental cost we do. Your right we don&#8217;t compare in cost of these cars or the avalibility but the cost is higher than you think to the worlds looming crisis of pollution that affects us all. They talk a good game of being on top of the Climate Crisis but the look inside says not really. They have a comittee of  propaganda  that works in the open inside the country and their stated purpose is that only information approved by the goverment is ever to be taken as fact. They also have the authority to supress any information from any source they (the committee) deems Against The Goverments Interest. We are behind in everything to do with Climate Change and we have had the old &#8220;No Smoking is not bad for your health we swear&#8221; ploy used on us by Big oil, Coal and the Auto indusrties when it comes to Climate Change but times are a changing and so is the climate so we will see very so I think how many people have really been taken in by the cheap shots on Climate Change.Does NBC really think it won&#8217;t sink the ratings? live and learn.</p>
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