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	<title>Comments on: So you want a low-carbon holiday wine</title>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/23/holiday-wine-carbon-footprint/#comment-22949</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, long haul trucking will have to go too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, long haul trucking will have to go too!</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/23/holiday-wine-carbon-footprint/#comment-22917</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe I have to disagree with you on the shipping. It might be relatively cheaper, but surely  in absolute terms the carbon footprint is totally inappropriate consumerism.

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  The point of this exercise is that certain intuitions or quote common sense&quot; are wrong.  Shipping is better climatewise per mile than trucking.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe I have to disagree with you on the shipping. It might be relatively cheaper, but surely  in absolute terms the carbon footprint is totally inappropriate consumerism.</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  The point of this exercise is that certain intuitions or quote common sense" are wrong.  Shipping is better climatewise per mile than trucking.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/23/holiday-wine-carbon-footprint/#comment-22880</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Water transport is very inexpensive on a tonne-kilometer basis.

Dig more canals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Water transport is very inexpensive on a tonne-kilometer basis.</p>
<p>Dig more canals.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/23/holiday-wine-carbon-footprint/#comment-22847</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virginia has some good wineries too.  And Pennsylvania is apple country -- mmm, hard cider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginia has some good wineries too.  And Pennsylvania is apple country &#8212; mmm, hard cider.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/23/holiday-wine-carbon-footprint/#comment-22838</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam:

I think this sort of stuff is interesting.

The big picture stuff is the most important, obviously, but over the next quarter-century as we become increasingly desperate to reduce carbon emissions and adopt strong regulations and a high carbon price,  everybody will be focused on their own individual carbon footprint whether they like it or not.

A lot of non-rich people drink foreign wine -- and they certainly buy foreign goods.  I think the point you miss is that &quot;importing wine across the Atlantic&quot; is not elitist from a carbon point of view as you seem to imply because shipping is very low carbon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam:</p>
<p>I think this sort of stuff is interesting.</p>
<p>The big picture stuff is the most important, obviously, but over the next quarter-century as we become increasingly desperate to reduce carbon emissions and adopt strong regulations and a high carbon price,  everybody will be focused on their own individual carbon footprint whether they like it or not.</p>
<p>A lot of non-rich people drink foreign wine &#8212; and they certainly buy foreign goods.  I think the point you miss is that &#8220;importing wine across the Atlantic&#8221; is not elitist from a carbon point of view as you seem to imply because shipping is very low carbon.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/23/holiday-wine-carbon-footprint/#comment-22833</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, stick with the large-scale solutions to our large-scale problems. 

These trivial differences, in the end, won&#039;t deliver change on the scale that is actually needed. Importing wine across the Atlantic (for more than just a rich minority) will never be sustainable in the true sense of the word. Just another form of greenwashing if ya ask me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, stick with the large-scale solutions to our large-scale problems. </p>
<p>These trivial differences, in the end, won&#8217;t deliver change on the scale that is actually needed. Importing wine across the Atlantic (for more than just a rich minority) will never be sustainable in the true sense of the word. Just another form of greenwashing if ya ask me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RB</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/23/holiday-wine-carbon-footprint/#comment-22816</link>
		<dc:creator>RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What other kinds are there??  There are Texas wines and they are quite good.  You need to redraw the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What other kinds are there??  There are Texas wines and they are quite good.  You need to redraw the line.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/23/holiday-wine-carbon-footprint/#comment-22804</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gareth --- Its been years since any local distributor carried New Zealand wines; I used to like those on occasion.

I also forgot to methion wines from Idaho.  Now yet world class, like the Washington State whites, but still very good.

About alcohol content:  Australian, Washington State and Idaho wines are all right around 12%.  I&#039;d tell you about that value for Okanagan wines as well, but it seems the Canukes drink it all up, leaving none for their neighbors immediately to the south.  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gareth &#8212; Its been years since any local distributor carried New Zealand wines; I used to like those on occasion.</p>
<p>I also forgot to methion wines from Idaho.  Now yet world class, like the Washington State whites, but still very good.</p>
<p>About alcohol content:  Australian, Washington State and Idaho wines are all right around 12%.  I&#8217;d tell you about that value for Okanagan wines as well, but it seems the Canukes drink it all up, leaving none for their neighbors immediately to the south.  <img src='http://climateprogress.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or you could drink a fine &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grovemill.co.nz/page/About-carboNZero&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;carbon neutral New Zealand wine&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or you could drink a fine <a href="http://www.grovemill.co.nz/page/About-carboNZero" rel="nofollow">carbon neutral New Zealand wine</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Borroff</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/11/23/holiday-wine-carbon-footprint/#comment-22802</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Borroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday I looked for wines for an early T&#039;day dinner with friends who are headed out of town - to California - for Thanksgiving.

Half the California wines were 14% - 16% alcohol.  20 years ago this was not the case.  These high alcohol wines may have lots of flavor but they overwhelm Turkey dinners.  They have little capacity to age since the alcohol doesn&#039;t go away as tannins and fruit mellow.  

Tincture of Cabernet is not a good thing.

California wineries are worried, as are Australia, Spain, Italy, northern Africa, and many other locations.  Meanwhile robust reds are being made in interior British Columbia, formerly white wine only territory.

Let&#039;s hope we have a viable wine industry in 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I looked for wines for an early T&#8217;day dinner with friends who are headed out of town &#8211; to California &#8211; for Thanksgiving.</p>
<p>Half the California wines were 14% &#8211; 16% alcohol.  20 years ago this was not the case.  These high alcohol wines may have lots of flavor but they overwhelm Turkey dinners.  They have little capacity to age since the alcohol doesn&#8217;t go away as tannins and fruit mellow.  </p>
<p>Tincture of Cabernet is not a good thing.</p>
<p>California wineries are worried, as are Australia, Spain, Italy, northern Africa, and many other locations.  Meanwhile robust reds are being made in interior British Columbia, formerly white wine only territory.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope we have a viable wine industry in 10 years.</p>
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