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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/05/are-all-national-review-bloggers-libelous-incapable-of-rational-discourse/#comment-24114</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That should have been over-the-top rhetoric and not over-top.

Sorry for the typo.

Though I am sure that people like &quot;john&quot; will seize upon it in an effort to try and discredit the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should have been over-the-top rhetoric and not over-top.</p>
<p>Sorry for the typo.</p>
<p>Though I am sure that people like &#8220;john&#8221; will seize upon it in an effort to try and discredit the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/05/are-all-national-review-bloggers-libelous-incapable-of-rational-discourse/#comment-24113</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Mark.                                                                                                          
It was an incorrect use of the term, &quot;jump the shark&quot;.  The term does come from a silly stunt on Happy Days, but it is a real stretch to try and use it as you have.  

Besides, it sounds like Mr. Williamson was critizing the over-heated, over-top rhetoric in the Salon article, not climate science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Mark.<br />
It was an incorrect use of the term, &#8220;jump the shark&#8221;.  The term does come from a silly stunt on Happy Days, but it is a real stretch to try and use it as you have.  </p>
<p>Besides, it sounds like Mr. Williamson was critizing the over-heated, over-top rhetoric in the Salon article, not climate science.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/05/are-all-national-review-bloggers-libelous-incapable-of-rational-discourse/#comment-24027</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark;

look up &quot;jump the shark.&quot;  It comes from an episode of Happy Days in which Fionzi literally jumped over a shark while water skiing, a feat so over the top that it changed the Fonze from cool to fool, and permanently discredited the program, which lost market share from then on.

It means egregiously over the top in a manner that renders something ridiculous.

Certainly the New Republic piece in question is over the top and certainly it was ridiculous and certainly it should discredit that rag from now on. 

So, your objection to the use of the term is  based on what?

Here, let me apply some tough love to you -- it was based on sheer, unmitigated ignorance.

If you expect anyone to listen to you when you comment on blogs, you&#039;re going to have to think better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark;</p>
<p>look up &#8220;jump the shark.&#8221;  It comes from an episode of Happy Days in which Fionzi literally jumped over a shark while water skiing, a feat so over the top that it changed the Fonze from cool to fool, and permanently discredited the program, which lost market share from then on.</p>
<p>It means egregiously over the top in a manner that renders something ridiculous.</p>
<p>Certainly the New Republic piece in question is over the top and certainly it was ridiculous and certainly it should discredit that rag from now on. </p>
<p>So, your objection to the use of the term is  based on what?</p>
<p>Here, let me apply some tough love to you &#8212; it was based on sheer, unmitigated ignorance.</p>
<p>If you expect anyone to listen to you when you comment on blogs, you&#8217;re going to have to think better.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/05/are-all-national-review-bloggers-libelous-incapable-of-rational-discourse/#comment-24015</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you know what &quot;jumping the shark&quot; means.  If you do, you deliberately used it out of context here.  

It doesn&#039;t mean &quot;did something crazy&quot; or &quot;did something I dislike&quot; or &quot;did something I want to criticize&quot; or &quot;did something I want to blog about in cool blog fashion so I have to use terms like &#039;rick-roll&#039; and &#039;jump the shark&#039;&quot;. 

You do a disservice to your argument when you misuse words. Point in case - your hamfisted deployment of &quot;jump the shark&quot; caused me, with my limited number of minutes on this earth, to immediately (1) decide I should not spend any of those minutes reading the thoughts of someone who uses words he doesn&#039;t ken (i.e, I skipped the rest of your post) and (2) decide I should use some time making fun of you in a comment. The (2) is actually a &quot;tough love&quot; kind of thing; if you intend to feed your family doing this stuff, someone needs to tell you that you need to write better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you know what &#8220;jumping the shark&#8221; means.  If you do, you deliberately used it out of context here.  </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;did something crazy&#8221; or &#8220;did something I dislike&#8221; or &#8220;did something I want to criticize&#8221; or &#8220;did something I want to blog about in cool blog fashion so I have to use terms like &#8216;rick-roll&#8217; and &#8216;jump the shark&#8217;&#8221;. </p>
<p>You do a disservice to your argument when you misuse words. Point in case &#8211; your hamfisted deployment of &#8220;jump the shark&#8221; caused me, with my limited number of minutes on this earth, to immediately (1) decide I should not spend any of those minutes reading the thoughts of someone who uses words he doesn&#8217;t ken (i.e, I skipped the rest of your post) and (2) decide I should use some time making fun of you in a comment. The (2) is actually a &#8220;tough love&#8221; kind of thing; if you intend to feed your family doing this stuff, someone needs to tell you that you need to write better.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that conservatives -- who claim to love the passionate fundamentalist zealots who make up a fair part of their base -- use comparisons to religious and theological conviction as a pejorative when that passion is inspired not by a superstitious belief in the all-knowing man in the clouds with the white beard, but rather by the empirical and quantitative facts in science? 

I think two things are revealed here. 1) They have as much or more disdain for their fundamentalist cohorts as any liberal; 2) they resort to what is basically an ad hominum attack because they have no real and substantive basis for their objection.  It is the simple wish for the oligarchs to retain the status quo which has so richly rewarded them.

Nothing more; nothing less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that conservatives &#8212; who claim to love the passionate fundamentalist zealots who make up a fair part of their base &#8212; use comparisons to religious and theological conviction as a pejorative when that passion is inspired not by a superstitious belief in the all-knowing man in the clouds with the white beard, but rather by the empirical and quantitative facts in science? </p>
<p>I think two things are revealed here. 1) They have as much or more disdain for their fundamentalist cohorts as any liberal; 2) they resort to what is basically an ad hominum attack because they have no real and substantive basis for their objection.  It is the simple wish for the oligarchs to retain the status quo which has so richly rewarded them.</p>
<p>Nothing more; nothing less.</p>
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		<title>By: P. G. Dudda</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/05/are-all-national-review-bloggers-libelous-incapable-of-rational-discourse/#comment-23944</link>
		<dc:creator>P. G. Dudda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Republican table-pounding drum circles.
Coming to a full moon in your neighborhood…&quot;

No, they do it every Sunday, where they also claim the Earth really was created in 7 days approximately 6,000 years ago, and is forever eternal and unchanging.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Republican table-pounding drum circles.<br />
Coming to a full moon in your neighborhood…&#8221;</p>
<p>No, they do it every Sunday, where they also claim the Earth really was created in 7 days approximately 6,000 years ago, and is forever eternal and unchanging.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Wallace</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/05/are-all-national-review-bloggers-libelous-incapable-of-rational-discourse/#comment-23935</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republican table-pounding drum circles.

Coming to a full moon in your neighborhood....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republican table-pounding drum circles.</p>
<p>Coming to a full moon in your neighborhood&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of that saying.

If the facts are with you, argue the facts.
If the logic is with you, argue the logic.
If the facts and logic aren&#039;t with you, pound on the table.   

All most conservatives have left is pounding on the table and I can imagine its not much fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of that saying.</p>
<p>If the facts are with you, argue the facts.<br />
If the logic is with you, argue the logic.<br />
If the facts and logic aren&#8217;t with you, pound on the table.   </p>
<p>All most conservatives have left is pounding on the table and I can imagine its not much fun.</p>
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