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		<title>By: Rick C</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/06/bush-to-detroit-drop-dead/#comment-24115</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JCH,

Your post is mostly complete bunk. Here&#039;s what factcheck.org says, &quot;As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of &quot;layered irresponsibility ... with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role.&quot; 


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JCH,</p>
<p>Your post is mostly complete bunk. Here&#8217;s what factcheck.org says, &#8220;As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of &#8220;layered irresponsibility &#8230; with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.factcheck.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>elections-2008/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JCH</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/06/bush-to-detroit-drop-dead/#comment-24067</link>
		<dc:creator>JCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The current economic crises springs primarily from the Democratic mandated imperative to provide unqualified people housing loans. So Bush is not to blame for this economic downturn. ...&quot;


Read this speech from 2002:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021015-7.html

Here Alphonso Jackson, his former neighbor from Dallas, testifies to congress on the progress of GW&#039;s dream of building 5.5 million houses:

http://www.hud.gov/offices/cir/test042105.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The current economic crises springs primarily from the Democratic mandated imperative to provide unqualified people housing loans. So Bush is not to blame for this economic downturn. &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Read this speech from 2002:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021015-7.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>news/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>releases/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2002/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>10/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>20021015-7.html</a></p>
<p>Here Alphonso Jackson, his former neighbor from Dallas, testifies to congress on the progress of GW&#8217;s dream of building 5.5 million houses:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hud.gov/offices/cir/test042105.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hud.gov/offices/cir/test042105.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/06/bush-to-detroit-drop-dead/#comment-24055</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hybrid sales have dropped b/c the Prius sales have dropped.  Number of factors there:  decline of gas price, credit access and the Prius may be at the end of its fashion run (5 years is good run for a model).  Also Toyota had some production issues, which hurt sales of people who need a new car today (as opposed to waiting for several months).

Great, have the big box workers attack the unions for what is left of scraps of a decent wage.  Straight out of union busting playbooks.  If GM goes under, and then the associated suppliers, you big box wage is going down as well as the supply of workers flood in.

And let&#039;s be honest here:  what is this is up in not Bush, who is irrelevant.  some  congressional democrats (cough, pelosi) want accountability and environment over saving jobs.  Obama needs to step up and tell them who is boss, and make sure GM management is severely chastised and punished for taking their company into this situation.   Chrysler needs to die as an example, and have all equity wiped out and becomes government owned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hybrid sales have dropped b/c the Prius sales have dropped.  Number of factors there:  decline of gas price, credit access and the Prius may be at the end of its fashion run (5 years is good run for a model).  Also Toyota had some production issues, which hurt sales of people who need a new car today (as opposed to waiting for several months).</p>
<p>Great, have the big box workers attack the unions for what is left of scraps of a decent wage.  Straight out of union busting playbooks.  If GM goes under, and then the associated suppliers, you big box wage is going down as well as the supply of workers flood in.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s be honest here:  what is this is up in not Bush, who is irrelevant.  some  congressional democrats (cough, pelosi) want accountability and environment over saving jobs.  Obama needs to step up and tell them who is boss, and make sure GM management is severely chastised and punished for taking their company into this situation.   Chrysler needs to die as an example, and have all equity wiped out and becomes government owned.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/06/bush-to-detroit-drop-dead/#comment-24047</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sales of ALL vehicles have collapsed -- we&#039;re in a deep friggin&#039; recession where it&#039;s almost impossible for people to get credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sales of ALL vehicles have collapsed &#8212; we&#8217;re in a deep friggin&#8217; recession where it&#8217;s almost impossible for people to get credit.</p>
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		<title>By: bob wright</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/06/bush-to-detroit-drop-dead/#comment-24046</link>
		<dc:creator>bob wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody notice that sales of hybrids just dropped something like 30%. Is it $2.00 gas, or has everyone who could afford one already made the purchase? 

Toyota reopened the Tundra plant last month. Varoom! 6 liter 350 hp!

GM workers and pensioners ae living like royalty compared to the rest of us &quot;working slobs&quot; in what is left of the manufacturing economy. Many of us will end up working at the local Big Box store for $8.00/hr. We can&#039;t afford GM cars, other than maybe a Cobalt or some of its low end captive imports. There are more Hyundais than Chevys in the parking lot where I work and little sympathy for semi-skilled workers making $100K/year. Any bailout will have to involve givebacks from the UAW to level the playing field with Toyota and Honda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody notice that sales of hybrids just dropped something like 30%. Is it $2.00 gas, or has everyone who could afford one already made the purchase? </p>
<p>Toyota reopened the Tundra plant last month. Varoom! 6 liter 350 hp!</p>
<p>GM workers and pensioners ae living like royalty compared to the rest of us &#8220;working slobs&#8221; in what is left of the manufacturing economy. Many of us will end up working at the local Big Box store for $8.00/hr. We can&#8217;t afford GM cars, other than maybe a Cobalt or some of its low end captive imports. There are more Hyundais than Chevys in the parking lot where I work and little sympathy for semi-skilled workers making $100K/year. Any bailout will have to involve givebacks from the UAW to level the playing field with Toyota and Honda.</p>
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		<title>By: unhappy American</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/06/bush-to-detroit-drop-dead/#comment-24042</link>
		<dc:creator>unhappy American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wrote &quot;November’s shocking unemployment figures of another half million people out of work made it imperative that GM and Chrysler avoid bankruptcy. &quot;

I say bullshit.  It is not anybody else&#039;s responsibility to make up for a badly run company. If these greedy bastards actually ran ethical, responsible companies, building products that Americans needed and wanted, they would not be in this position today.

Ford for example, has a 73 mpg car, to be only marketed in Europe.  Their &quot;reasoning&quot; (I&#039;m being generous here) is that &quot;American&#039;s would not buy it&quot; is total bullshit.  Meanwhile, the executives of these companies are jet-setting around the world and living it up large at posh resorts, then they go begging hat-in-hand to our screwed up government asking for billions.

No way.  Let these bastards fail.  We will only achieve what really needs to be done by trimming off all the fat. If 500,000 Americans lose their jobs, so what.  Time to clean up our act by killing off the corporations that are part of the problem.

The problem is corporate America has become bloated, greedy, inefficient, unresponsive and indifferent -- and we let that happen.  If we need to go through a depression to fix this, then so be it.  But we&#039;re not going to fix this by giving away money to the fat cat bureaucrats and ugly bastards that caused this problem in the first place.

Americans are SICK to death of this kind of duplicity.  I cannot believe you said that it is &quot;imperative&quot; that we bail them out to avoid bankruptcy.  LET THEM GO BANKRUPT, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DESERVE.  Just make sure we go after these greedy bastards and confiscate all of their personal assets too, including those accounts and properties that they have hidden around the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote &#8220;November’s shocking unemployment figures of another half million people out of work made it imperative that GM and Chrysler avoid bankruptcy. &#8221;</p>
<p>I say bullshit.  It is not anybody else&#8217;s responsibility to make up for a badly run company. If these greedy bastards actually ran ethical, responsible companies, building products that Americans needed and wanted, they would not be in this position today.</p>
<p>Ford for example, has a 73 mpg car, to be only marketed in Europe.  Their &#8220;reasoning&#8221; (I&#8217;m being generous here) is that &#8220;American&#8217;s would not buy it&#8221; is total bullshit.  Meanwhile, the executives of these companies are jet-setting around the world and living it up large at posh resorts, then they go begging hat-in-hand to our screwed up government asking for billions.</p>
<p>No way.  Let these bastards fail.  We will only achieve what really needs to be done by trimming off all the fat. If 500,000 Americans lose their jobs, so what.  Time to clean up our act by killing off the corporations that are part of the problem.</p>
<p>The problem is corporate America has become bloated, greedy, inefficient, unresponsive and indifferent &#8212; and we let that happen.  If we need to go through a depression to fix this, then so be it.  But we&#8217;re not going to fix this by giving away money to the fat cat bureaucrats and ugly bastards that caused this problem in the first place.</p>
<p>Americans are SICK to death of this kind of duplicity.  I cannot believe you said that it is &#8220;imperative&#8221; that we bail them out to avoid bankruptcy.  LET THEM GO BANKRUPT, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DESERVE.  Just make sure we go after these greedy bastards and confiscate all of their personal assets too, including those accounts and properties that they have hidden around the world.</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Elitist</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/06/bush-to-detroit-drop-dead/#comment-24040</link>
		<dc:creator>The Daily Elitist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>groweg Says:

&lt;i&gt;The current economic crises springs primarily from the Democratic mandated imperative to provide unqualified people housing loans. So Bush is not to blame for this economic downturn.&lt;/i&gt;

You didn&#039;t do too well in economics, did you? Well you&#039;re a GOPer, so I guess that goes without saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>groweg Says:</p>
<p><i>The current economic crises springs primarily from the Democratic mandated imperative to provide unqualified people housing loans. So Bush is not to blame for this economic downturn.</i></p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t do too well in economics, did you? Well you&#8217;re a GOPer, so I guess that goes without saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Elitist</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/06/bush-to-detroit-drop-dead/#comment-24039</link>
		<dc:creator>The Daily Elitist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama, Pelosi, and Reid should make it crystal clear to the automakers that if they&#039;re getting government assistance, they WILL clean up their act, and I mean starting NOW. The Congress should stop these nonsense stop-gap measures and give them enough cash to transition to a truly sustainable - environmentally, financially, and economically sustainable - business model, starting today. It is technologically feasible to do this now; no more SUVs, no more 13 MPG pickups, no more excuses. If the current management isn&#039;t up to it, can the lot of them - no severance packages, no executive compensation, no golden parachutes, nothing. No more rewarding incompetence.

While we&#039;re at it, we should put a moratorium on the sale of all non-hybrid liquid-fueled consumer vehicles, effective in 3 years&#039; time. 

Also, the automakers must immediately shut down all &quot;government affairs&quot; operations - no more lobbying of the federal or state governments, period. If they put up even the slightest resistance to these demands, they should be told to drop dead. They are in no position to negotiate, and it&#039;s far past time our elected officials stop treating them as if they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama, Pelosi, and Reid should make it crystal clear to the automakers that if they&#8217;re getting government assistance, they WILL clean up their act, and I mean starting NOW. The Congress should stop these nonsense stop-gap measures and give them enough cash to transition to a truly sustainable &#8211; environmentally, financially, and economically sustainable &#8211; business model, starting today. It is technologically feasible to do this now; no more SUVs, no more 13 MPG pickups, no more excuses. If the current management isn&#8217;t up to it, can the lot of them &#8211; no severance packages, no executive compensation, no golden parachutes, nothing. No more rewarding incompetence.</p>
<p>While we&#8217;re at it, we should put a moratorium on the sale of all non-hybrid liquid-fueled consumer vehicles, effective in 3 years&#8217; time. </p>
<p>Also, the automakers must immediately shut down all &#8220;government affairs&#8221; operations &#8211; no more lobbying of the federal or state governments, period. If they put up even the slightest resistance to these demands, they should be told to drop dead. They are in no position to negotiate, and it&#8217;s far past time our elected officials stop treating them as if they were.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the recent congressional testimony it seems the big three will not survive regardless of any currently discussed cash infusion.
Let&#039;s take the 37 Billion or so currently discussed, put an RFP on the street for new car company concepts...and fund the top 37 business plans that are submitted...each with one billion dollars.  Two, three or four will hit and we&#039;ll have our new plug in hybrids and a lot of new replacement jobs....and perhaps....single payer health insurance at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the recent congressional testimony it seems the big three will not survive regardless of any currently discussed cash infusion.<br />
Let&#8217;s take the 37 Billion or so currently discussed, put an RFP on the street for new car company concepts&#8230;and fund the top 37 business plans that are submitted&#8230;each with one billion dollars.  Two, three or four will hit and we&#8217;ll have our new plug in hybrids and a lot of new replacement jobs&#8230;.and perhaps&#8230;.single payer health insurance at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/06/bush-to-detroit-drop-dead/#comment-24035</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats Pelosi, Dodd, and your whole rotten crew. Bush has only a few days left, but you guys found one last rotten opportunity to cave in and give him what he wants.

For good measure, Dodd and others said they believed congress didn&#039;t actually have to authorize this, but that Bush already had the power to do it based on existing laws, either the $25 bil auto ransom or the $350 bil  bank ransom.

So we know two things: 
1. This congress will NEVER miss an opportunity to aggrandize the imperial presidency; and

2. Those of us who knew the original &quot;banker bailout&quot; plan, the way it was sold to us by Dodd, Pelosi, Frank, Paulson, Bush, that whole allied crew, was a vicious lie meant to do nothing but open up a vast plunder pit into which every resource of the country could be tossed, and at which any predator interest could gorge. 

You people &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; aware, aren&#039;t you, that when Carolyn Maloney demanded to know whether these criminals would now support things like the California waiver, that Wagoner repeated the old lie about a patchwork of standards? Or that when she demanded to know, If we give you beggars what you&#039;re begging for, will you use that money to continue to sue the very people you begged it from, that they all hemmed and hawed and said they promise nothing?

This is the most disgusting thing yet; the stench of this country now gets worse by the week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Pelosi, Dodd, and your whole rotten crew. Bush has only a few days left, but you guys found one last rotten opportunity to cave in and give him what he wants.</p>
<p>For good measure, Dodd and others said they believed congress didn&#8217;t actually have to authorize this, but that Bush already had the power to do it based on existing laws, either the $25 bil auto ransom or the $350 bil  bank ransom.</p>
<p>So we know two things:<br />
1. This congress will NEVER miss an opportunity to aggrandize the imperial presidency; and</p>
<p>2. Those of us who knew the original &#8220;banker bailout&#8221; plan, the way it was sold to us by Dodd, Pelosi, Frank, Paulson, Bush, that whole allied crew, was a vicious lie meant to do nothing but open up a vast plunder pit into which every resource of the country could be tossed, and at which any predator interest could gorge. </p>
<p>You people <i>are</i> aware, aren&#8217;t you, that when Carolyn Maloney demanded to know whether these criminals would now support things like the California waiver, that Wagoner repeated the old lie about a patchwork of standards? Or that when she demanded to know, If we give you beggars what you&#8217;re begging for, will you use that money to continue to sue the very people you begged it from, that they all hemmed and hawed and said they promise nothing?</p>
<p>This is the most disgusting thing yet; the stench of this country now gets worse by the week.</p>
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