Comments on: Very warm 2008 makes this the hottest decade in recorded history by far* http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:08:43 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Rob Spooner http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-79136 Rob Spooner Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:03:47 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-79136 I will happily take the bet of $1000 against your statement that "the next decade is certainly likely to be above 0.25°C warmer than this decade." The phrase "certainly likely" isn't very mathematical but I interpret that as meaning that you have no doubt that the odds favor you in a bet at .25 C. If so, I'll take it. If not, you should retract the statement. Rob Spooner, President Online Highways LLC I will happily take the bet of $1000 against your statement that “the next decade is certainly likely to be above 0.25°C warmer than this decade.” The phrase “certainly likely” isn’t very mathematical but I interpret that as meaning that you have no doubt that the odds favor you in a bet at .25 C. If so, I’ll take it. If not, you should retract the statement.

Rob Spooner, President
Online Highways LLC

]]> By: James -ner http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-78552 James -ner Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:16:27 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-78552 I like all the comments about: "I have a frigid snowy winter, global warming must not be real!" It might have been in your backyard but not mine. That is what you call local. The last 2 or 3 winters in Allentown, PA snow has been below normal. But what happens in my backyard and your backyard one year has nothing to do with the long term trends. It might just be because of weather patterns, La Nina for example, that we haven't seen that much snow (drought). These three winters can't solely be blamed on global warming or La Nina. Interesting to note that one of our least snowiest winters 1997-1998 (7.2") was during a strong El Nino and the winter of 1982-1983 had about normal snowfall also had a powerful El Nino (34.3"), our second biggest snowstorm occurred that year too. 1993 and 1994 where also El Nino years. In our snowiest winter of 1993-1994 we had 75.2 inches of snow! Our second snowiest winter was 1995-1996 with 71.8 inches of snow, which was a La Nina year. http://www.wunderground.com/blog/Blizzard92/comment.html?entrynum=96&tstamp= The NAO phase, - or +, has an effect on cold or warm winters and on hot and cool summers. Sorry if I went off topic. I like all the comments about: “I have a frigid snowy winter, global warming must not be real!” It might have been in your backyard but not mine. That is what you call local. The last 2 or 3 winters in Allentown, PA snow has been below normal. But what happens in my backyard and your backyard one year has nothing to do with the long term trends. It might just be because of weather patterns, La Nina for example, that we haven’t seen that much snow (drought). These three winters can’t solely be blamed on global warming or La Nina.
Interesting to note that one of our least snowiest winters 1997-1998 (7.2″) was during a strong El Nino and the winter of 1982-1983 had about normal snowfall also had a powerful El Nino (34.3″), our second biggest snowstorm occurred that year too. 1993 and 1994 where also El Nino years. In our snowiest winter of 1993-1994 we had 75.2 inches of snow! Our second snowiest winter was 1995-1996 with 71.8 inches of snow, which was a La Nina year.

http://www.wunderground.com/ blog/ Blizzard92/ comment.html?entrynum=96&tstamp=

The NAO phase, – or +, has an effect on cold or warm winters and on hot and cool summers.

Sorry if I went off topic.

]]> By: crReKYF http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-65181 crReKYF Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:05:39 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-65181 Hi! GmlDTmme Hi! GmlDTmme

]]> By: Tomzp http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-40346 Tomzp Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:43:32 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-40346 noone can do anything against. I like hot. noone can do anything against. I like hot.

]]> By: Kreuzfahrten Kroatien http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-40289 Kreuzfahrten Kroatien Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:53:28 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-40289 Everybody should keep the environment clean. Those who think it is not worth any effort, musst be blind. I`ve been on holiday in Croatia. It was so beautiful there. The whole world has still such amazing places. We musst keep them for further generations. Everybody should keep the environment clean. Those who think it is not worth any effort, musst be blind. I`ve been on holiday in Croatia. It was so beautiful there. The whole world has still such amazing places. We musst keep them for further generations.

]]> By: Basisrente http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-34098 Basisrente Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:00:47 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-34098 Where is the sommer? The weather is changing. 10 years ago we had beautiful summers. Just rainy and stormy! Where is the sommer? The weather is changing. 10 years ago we had beautiful summers. Just rainy and stormy!

]]> By: a major ASS http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-27116 a major ASS Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:13:52 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-27116 Dear Joe I HAD ACCEPTED YOUR BET. (and as my 5.000€ seem too much for you I'll take it on your 1.000 usd) what mail shoul I use to contact you? Best regards http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/05/anthony-watts-up-with-that-anti-science-denier-website-weblog-awards/ January 7th, 2009 at 10:32 am I’ll give you better than 1 “fluke” in 20 years. I’ll bet that half of the next 10 years (starting in 2009) are warmer than 2008. Should be a no-brainer for you. And I’ll even be OK with the Hadley temperature dataset. If you want a shorter timeframe, propose a different bet. a major ASS Says: January 7th, 2009 at 10:48 am Dear Joe On your terms it suits me just fine. 2009 to 2018 anyone getting the first five wins. I expect to colect start of 2014 (but you might think the same). worst case scenario things get settled at the start of 2019. Would you accept 5.000 € for our wager? Could you leave a link so that I can leave a private message? Best regards Dear Joe

I HAD ACCEPTED YOUR BET. (and as my 5.000€ seem too much for you I’ll take it on your 1.000 usd)

what mail shoul I use to contact you?

Best regards

http://climateprogress.org/ 2009/ 01/ 05/ anthony-watts-up-with-that-anti-science-denier-website-weblog-awards/

January 7th, 2009 at 10:32 am
I’ll give you better than 1 “fluke” in 20 years. I’ll bet that half of the next 10 years (starting in 2009) are warmer than 2008. Should be a no-brainer for you. And I’ll even be OK with the Hadley temperature dataset.

If you want a shorter timeframe, propose a different bet.

a major ASS Says:

January 7th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Dear Joe

On your terms it suits me just fine.

2009 to 2018 anyone getting the first five wins.

I expect to colect start of 2014 (but you might think the same). worst case scenario things get settled at the start of 2019.

Would you accept 5.000 € for our wager?

Could you leave a link so that I can leave a private message?

Best regards

]]> By: msn nickleri http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-26380 msn nickleri Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:14:02 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-26380 Sorry, I though that the IPPC 4th report was peer reviewed. Sorry, I though that the IPPC 4th report was peer reviewed.

]]> By: Vernon http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-25554 Vernon Wed, 24 Dec 2008 03:37:50 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-25554 Sorry, I though that the IPPC 4th report was peer reviewed. Sorry, I though that the IPPC 4th report was peer reviewed.

]]> By: Vernon http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-25538 Vernon Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:04:22 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/07/very-warm-2008-makes-this-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history-by-far/#comment-25538 Well, I do not think I can agree with your premise. Both RSS and UAH satellite based temperature records indicate that 2008 is one of the coldest years in the last 30. UAH has it at number 5. We now have near 30 years of satellite based temperature collection and the satellite record actually is a global one, not like the ground based stations that are few and far between over much of the earth’s surface and additionally have further problems with data quality and the whole issue of data filling for missing data. When you add in that there is a divergence problem, as identified by the IPPC between the instrumented readings and the proxy readings which has not been addressed. I do not see how anyone can say now is hotter than the medieval warm period or the roman warm period when we know now that the proxies do not show a temperature increase beyond a certain point. [<em>JR: Why do people with your claims so rarely have links to peer-reviewed studies?</em>] Well, I do not think I can agree with your premise. Both RSS and UAH satellite based temperature records indicate that 2008 is one of the coldest years in the last 30. UAH has it at number 5. We now have near 30 years of satellite based temperature collection and the satellite record actually is a global one, not like the ground based stations that are few and far between over much of the earth’s surface and additionally have further problems with data quality and the whole issue of data filling for missing data.

When you add in that there is a divergence problem, as identified by the IPPC between the instrumented readings and the proxy readings which has not been addressed. I do not see how anyone can say now is hotter than the medieval warm period or the roman warm period when we know now that the proxies do not show a temperature increase beyond a certain point.

[JR: Why do people with your claims so rarely have links to peer-reviewed studies?]

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