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	<title>Comments on: Chrysler to electrify entire product line!</title>
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		<title>By: Hendo</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/16/chrysler-electric-vehicle-product-line-bailout/#comment-27730</link>
		<dc:creator>Hendo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Prof Andy, I hope there are more of you out there and that your work continues.

Is Chryslerl greenwashing? I hope not. I think Chrysler, of the Three, is deepest in the brown stuff right now. They aren&#039;t likely, in my view, to climb out by doing the same thing they (and the others) have always done. It really is time to bring the rabbits out of hats and in a wholehearted manner. And it sounds like that is the plan, so good for them.

Missing from the debate seems to be reference to an electric car developed by GM some years back. Known as the &quot;EV&quot;, by all accounts it was a very impressive vehicle. An history of the car can be found in the DVD &quot;Who Killed the Electric Car?&quot; A couple of brief points:  First, if GM&#039;s EV was as good as it seemed to be, that technology should still be available, and to a greater or lesser extent, relevant to the electric vehicle future.  Secondly, in the DVD, blame for the demise of the EV is partially laid on GM and Oil. There were several other parties, not the least being Joe Citizen, who probably did not know better at the time.  Well now we are starting to know better, and President Obama has made it clear that we have individual responsibility to get up amd make the country grow again.   Make the electric car work and you take a giant step to overcoming climate change issues, oil (energy) dependence, resource wars, food issues and more. Hell, if your tax dollar, via hand-outs to the car-makers brings that outcome, I say that is fantastic!

There will be those who try to obstruct, and have done so successfully for 100 years. (Did you know that Edison and Henry Ford planned and built electric vehicles? Edison was even experimenting with Cadmium batteries - True!). 

Those powerful forces are still out there, but if you think that now is the right time to change you are in my view, absolutely right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Prof Andy, I hope there are more of you out there and that your work continues.</p>
<p>Is Chryslerl greenwashing? I hope not. I think Chrysler, of the Three, is deepest in the brown stuff right now. They aren&#8217;t likely, in my view, to climb out by doing the same thing they (and the others) have always done. It really is time to bring the rabbits out of hats and in a wholehearted manner. And it sounds like that is the plan, so good for them.</p>
<p>Missing from the debate seems to be reference to an electric car developed by GM some years back. Known as the &#8220;EV&#8221;, by all accounts it was a very impressive vehicle. An history of the car can be found in the DVD &#8220;Who Killed the Electric Car?&#8221; A couple of brief points:  First, if GM&#8217;s EV was as good as it seemed to be, that technology should still be available, and to a greater or lesser extent, relevant to the electric vehicle future.  Secondly, in the DVD, blame for the demise of the EV is partially laid on GM and Oil. There were several other parties, not the least being Joe Citizen, who probably did not know better at the time.  Well now we are starting to know better, and President Obama has made it clear that we have individual responsibility to get up amd make the country grow again.   Make the electric car work and you take a giant step to overcoming climate change issues, oil (energy) dependence, resource wars, food issues and more. Hell, if your tax dollar, via hand-outs to the car-makers brings that outcome, I say that is fantastic!</p>
<p>There will be those who try to obstruct, and have done so successfully for 100 years. (Did you know that Edison and Henry Ford planned and built electric vehicles? Edison was even experimenting with Cadmium batteries &#8211; True!). </p>
<p>Those powerful forces are still out there, but if you think that now is the right time to change you are in my view, absolutely right.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I have built PHEV&#039;s fron special ground ups to modifications of every class of vehicle built by the big three, I say it can be done as Lou Rhodes indicate.  I have built 12 of these vehicles with an all electric range of 60 miles and then highway fuel economy of about 2X the conventionaal car.  All the vehicles were built at the University and all of them were engineered by students and built by students.  We have built Ford Taurus to a Chevy Suburban class of vehicle with 60 miles AER with Metal hydrid batteries with a 10% increase in weight.  With Lithium these vehicles can come in with the same weight as the conventional car.  To do this Lou will have to have new transmission technology but I have developed this over the years.  Our latest vehicle with a mechanical CVT has a 40 mile AER.  
thus I think Lou has the right vision because I&#039;ve done it already 12 times for all classes of cars built in Detroit!!  The problem is getting the engineering done right and setting up the production line correctly.  If Toyota can produce on the same line a pickup truck or a conpact car with a 5 minute change over then Detroit sure can do it.  Let&#039;s copy Japan for a change!

Prof Andy Frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I have built PHEV&#8217;s fron special ground ups to modifications of every class of vehicle built by the big three, I say it can be done as Lou Rhodes indicate.  I have built 12 of these vehicles with an all electric range of 60 miles and then highway fuel economy of about 2X the conventionaal car.  All the vehicles were built at the University and all of them were engineered by students and built by students.  We have built Ford Taurus to a Chevy Suburban class of vehicle with 60 miles AER with Metal hydrid batteries with a 10% increase in weight.  With Lithium these vehicles can come in with the same weight as the conventional car.  To do this Lou will have to have new transmission technology but I have developed this over the years.  Our latest vehicle with a mechanical CVT has a 40 mile AER.<br />
thus I think Lou has the right vision because I&#8217;ve done it already 12 times for all classes of cars built in Detroit!!  The problem is getting the engineering done right and setting up the production line correctly.  If Toyota can produce on the same line a pickup truck or a conpact car with a 5 minute change over then Detroit sure can do it.  Let&#8217;s copy Japan for a change!</p>
<p>Prof Andy Frank</p>
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		<title>By: msn nickleri</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/16/chrysler-electric-vehicle-product-line-bailout/#comment-26430</link>
		<dc:creator>msn nickleri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t blame any car company for making giant SUVs — I blame the idiot consumers who bought them. Some some woman idling for 30 minutes in a ford Expedition — really wanted to put a rock through her windshield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t blame any car company for making giant SUVs — I blame the idiot consumers who bought them. Some some woman idling for 30 minutes in a ford Expedition — really wanted to put a rock through her windshield.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/16/chrysler-electric-vehicle-product-line-bailout/#comment-24958</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Electrifying news.

But it is indeed properly classified under humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electrifying news.</p>
<p>But it is indeed properly classified under humor.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/16/chrysler-electric-vehicle-product-line-bailout/#comment-24913</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chrysler shouldn&#039;t qualify for the TARP relief.  They have another lender -- Cerberus. This is an attempt to remind D in Congress that if you keep Chrysler alive through this year, they will get some electric cars.  In another words, give them the DOE loan money.

And like the Chinese car (BYD DM) I&#039;m suspicious of the numbers -- these sounds like ALL electric cars for the short term -- with limits in range, huge battery backs and poor performance. 

I don&#039;t blame any car company for making giant SUVs -- I blame the idiot consumers who bought them.   Some some woman idling for 30 minutes in a ford Expedition -- really wanted to put a rock through her windshield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chrysler shouldn&#8217;t qualify for the TARP relief.  They have another lender &#8212; Cerberus. This is an attempt to remind D in Congress that if you keep Chrysler alive through this year, they will get some electric cars.  In another words, give them the DOE loan money.</p>
<p>And like the Chinese car (BYD DM) I&#8217;m suspicious of the numbers &#8212; these sounds like ALL electric cars for the short term &#8212; with limits in range, huge battery backs and poor performance. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame any car company for making giant SUVs &#8212; I blame the idiot consumers who bought them.   Some some woman idling for 30 minutes in a ford Expedition &#8212; really wanted to put a rock through her windshield.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/16/chrysler-electric-vehicle-product-line-bailout/#comment-24901</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like greenwashing under duress, to help get that mooching sack filled.  We know damn well the Decrepit 3 &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to build monster SUVs and only monster SUVs.

Last I heard Ford was firing up F-150 production again, in response to declining gas prices. It&#039;s congenital, incorrigible behavior, plain and simple, and they&#039;re all like that.

So far Cerberus itself, by not injecting cash into Chrysler, has implicitly said Chrysler can&#039;t be saved and isn&#039;t worth saving. That&#039;s their own daddy saying that. So why should anyone gainsay them?

I&#039;ll believe in the sincerity and viability of this alleged electrification initiative when Cerberus does, when it signals it does by pumping in all the cash Chrysler says it needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like greenwashing under duress, to help get that mooching sack filled.  We know damn well the Decrepit 3 <i>want</i> to build monster SUVs and only monster SUVs.</p>
<p>Last I heard Ford was firing up F-150 production again, in response to declining gas prices. It&#8217;s congenital, incorrigible behavior, plain and simple, and they&#8217;re all like that.</p>
<p>So far Cerberus itself, by not injecting cash into Chrysler, has implicitly said Chrysler can&#8217;t be saved and isn&#8217;t worth saving. That&#8217;s their own daddy saying that. So why should anyone gainsay them?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll believe in the sincerity and viability of this alleged electrification initiative when Cerberus does, when it signals it does by pumping in all the cash Chrysler says it needs.</p>
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		<title>By: C Mann</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/16/chrysler-electric-vehicle-product-line-bailout/#comment-24884</link>
		<dc:creator>C Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My response was similar.  This should be filed under Humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My response was similar.  This should be filed under Humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick C</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/16/chrysler-electric-vehicle-product-line-bailout/#comment-24873</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This press &#039;announcement&#039; by Chrysler to build electric cars reminds me of another press &#039;announcement&#039; by Chrysler to build electric cars only 4 months ago in September. On September 25th Chrysler announced they were going to bring a few of 4 electric cars they were displaying to market. http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/news-chrysler-electric-cars.htm One of the cars looked like a space pod I saw in the 2001 remake of the movie Planet of the Apes! You gotta be kidding me! ;-)

In the current press &#039;announcement&#039; all three of those cars in the current announcement are heavy and that&#039;s got to cut down significantly on range unless they load them down with LiONs. As I read the articles on Chrysler&#039;s press &#039;announcement&#039; it turns out they are going to put 26 KW/hrs worth of LiONs in the battery compartment. That&#039;s a full 10 KW more than the Chevy Volt! If you thought the Volt&#039;s projected $40,000.00 price tag was expensive with only a 16 KW/hr LiON battery pack just how expensive are these little gems, no pun intended, going to be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This press &#8216;announcement&#8217; by Chrysler to build electric cars reminds me of another press &#8216;announcement&#8217; by Chrysler to build electric cars only 4 months ago in September. On September 25th Chrysler announced they were going to bring a few of 4 electric cars they were displaying to market. <a href="http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/news-chrysler-electric-cars.htm" rel="nofollow">http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>news-chrysler-electric-cars.htm</a> One of the cars looked like a space pod I saw in the 2001 remake of the movie Planet of the Apes! You gotta be kidding me! <img src='http://climateprogress.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In the current press &#8216;announcement&#8217; all three of those cars in the current announcement are heavy and that&#8217;s got to cut down significantly on range unless they load them down with LiONs. As I read the articles on Chrysler&#8217;s press &#8216;announcement&#8217; it turns out they are going to put 26 KW/hrs worth of LiONs in the battery compartment. That&#8217;s a full 10 KW more than the Chevy Volt! If you thought the Volt&#8217;s projected $40,000.00 price tag was expensive with only a 16 KW/hr LiON battery pack just how expensive are these little gems, no pun intended, going to be?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/16/chrysler-electric-vehicle-product-line-bailout/#comment-24870</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bullrinky.

There&#039;s no way in the world that they can electrify their product line by 2015, and engineering cars to support &lt;EM&gt;two&lt;/EM&gt; radically different driveline options going to cost a fortune.

I&#039;d &lt;EM&gt;like&lt;/EM&gt; this to be true, but it&#039;s just not credible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullrinky.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way in the world that they can electrify their product line by 2015, and engineering cars to support <em>two</em> radically different driveline options going to cost a fortune.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d <em>like</em> this to be true, but it&#8217;s just not credible.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The car will never replace the horse.
Man will never fly.
Man will never go to the moon.
The supply of Negative Normans will never dry up.

Oh, wait a minute....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The car will never replace the horse.<br />
Man will never fly.<br />
Man will never go to the moon.<br />
The supply of Negative Normans will never dry up.</p>
<p>Oh, wait a minute&#8230;.</p>
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