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	<title>Comments on: More proof Holdren is a great choice:  Pielke, Tierney, Lomborg, and CEI diss him</title>
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		<title>By: Eli Babbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli Babbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Robert Kennedy.  We need to put Pielke and Lomborg in prison until they rot!  Holdren is our man to do just that.  A great man indeed.  To the barricades!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Robert Kennedy.  We need to put Pielke and Lomborg in prison until they rot!  Holdren is our man to do just that.  A great man indeed.  To the barricades!</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Eli Rabett
Another kind of exptertise that will be needed is economists, don&#039;t your think?  To help quantify the costs and benefits of different policies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Eli Rabett<br />
Another kind of exptertise that will be needed is economists, don&#8217;t your think?  To help quantify the costs and benefits of different policies?</p>
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		<title>By: Eli Rabett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli Rabett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote your quote from Tierney
&lt;blockquote&gt;Dr. Holdren is certainly entitled to his views, but what concerns me is his tendency to conflate the science of climate change with prescriptions to cut greenhouse emissions. Even if most climate scientists agree on the anthropogenic causes of global warming, that doesn’t imply that the best way to deal with the problem is through drastic cuts in greenhouse emissions. There are other ways to cope, and there’s no “scientific consensus” on which path looks best.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is essentially the &quot;only WGI part of the IPCC exists and is legitimate&quot; fallacy.  Two thirds of the reports are on what the damage will be and how to ameliorate it (ameliorate is Eli thinks the better word, capturing both mitigation, which we will have to do, and adaptation, which we will have to do because the denialists have delayed any action for twenty years).

Some time ago Rabett Run did a search in Google Scholar on the string &lt;a href=&quot;http://rabett.blogspot.com/2007/09/eli-does-schulte-it-occurred-to-eli.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;global climate change&quot;&lt;/a&gt;  The interesting result was that
a large majority of the references dealt with the economic and biological consequences of global climate change showing the wide scientific consensus agreeing with the IPCC AR4.  Moreover, in the first 200 or so listings there were none that argued against the conclusions of the IPCC AR4.

While policy plays a vital role in this, science, physical, behavioral and biological informs policymakers about which interventions would have what effect and be effective as well as where the damage from inaction will fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote your quote from Tierney</p>
<blockquote><p>Dr. Holdren is certainly entitled to his views, but what concerns me is his tendency to conflate the science of climate change with prescriptions to cut greenhouse emissions. Even if most climate scientists agree on the anthropogenic causes of global warming, that doesn’t imply that the best way to deal with the problem is through drastic cuts in greenhouse emissions. There are other ways to cope, and there’s no “scientific consensus” on which path looks best.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is essentially the &#8220;only WGI part of the IPCC exists and is legitimate&#8221; fallacy.  Two thirds of the reports are on what the damage will be and how to ameliorate it (ameliorate is Eli thinks the better word, capturing both mitigation, which we will have to do, and adaptation, which we will have to do because the denialists have delayed any action for twenty years).</p>
<p>Some time ago Rabett Run did a search in Google Scholar on the string <a href="http://rabett.blogspot.com/2007/09/eli-does-schulte-it-occurred-to-eli.html" rel="nofollow">global climate change&#8221;</a>  The interesting result was that<br />
a large majority of the references dealt with the economic and biological consequences of global climate change showing the wide scientific consensus agreeing with the IPCC AR4.  Moreover, in the first 200 or so listings there were none that argued against the conclusions of the IPCC AR4.</p>
<p>While policy plays a vital role in this, science, physical, behavioral and biological informs policymakers about which interventions would have what effect and be effective as well as where the damage from inaction will fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am downright scared by the extent to which people refuse to believe the scientific consensus on climate change. Holdren is right -- there is room for skepticism, but it needs to be supported by facts. 

Also, please check out Climate Matters, a new blog from the Columbia University Climate Center offering original research and unique commentary, at http://climate.columbia.edu/blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am downright scared by the extent to which people refuse to believe the scientific consensus on climate change. Holdren is right &#8212; there is room for skepticism, but it needs to be supported by facts. </p>
<p>Also, please check out Climate Matters, a new blog from the Columbia University Climate Center offering original research and unique commentary, at <a href="http://climate.columbia.edu/blog." rel="nofollow">http://climate.columbia.edu/blog.</a></p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff B --- Climate science, part of physics back then, did just fine in the early days.  Read about it in &quot;The Discovery of Global Warming&quot; by Spencer Weart:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff B &#8212; Climate science, part of physics back then, did just fine in the early days.  Read about it in &#8220;The Discovery of Global Warming&#8221; by Spencer Weart:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff B,

we must remember that there is no &quot;contrarian&quot; (denialist) body of evidence. There is, perhaps, a handful of papers, none of which have withstood peer review (IR iris included). 

Best,

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff B,</p>
<p>we must remember that there is no &#8220;contrarian&#8221; (denialist) body of evidence. There is, perhaps, a handful of papers, none of which have withstood peer review (IR iris included). </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve H : &quot;Yes, contrarians are necessary, but they must also be restrained when they fail to produce results that are beneficial.&quot;

That&#039;s how you define good science??!? (or any science for that matter). Scientific work should follow the data, the results. NOT only those results that support a previously held theory or agenda. By your definition, climate science would not have gotten very far in its early days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve H : &#8220;Yes, contrarians are necessary, but they must also be restrained when they fail to produce results that are beneficial.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how you define good science??!? (or any science for that matter). Scientific work should follow the data, the results. NOT only those results that support a previously held theory or agenda. By your definition, climate science would not have gotten very far in its early days.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tierney understands the NYT is in great financial difficulty, so his hatchet-job on Holdren is a way to publicize his skills to potential employers in the Disinformation industry.  

To really stand out from that soon-unemployed crowd of former journalists, watch for Tierney to throw his shoes at Holdren during the Inaugural. 

Holdren allowed his bias favoring the survival of humanity to color his scientific detachment.  For shame.  That&#039;s *political*.  

Tierney would never allow his bias favoring his own economic survival to color his journalistic objectivity. 

Does anyone know if Tierney attends Grover Norquist&#039;s early morning strategy meetings?  The outlines of a new disinformation campaign seem to be forming, to wit:  Obama is too popular to attack directly.  (RNC&#039;s attempt to smear him with  Blagojevich slime failed.)  

So until Obama weakens, they attack the *advice* given him by his evil Science Advisor, Holdren Wormtongue.  If nothing sticks, then re-program the dittoheads to attack Carol Browner ... repeat as necessary.  

Benefits:  Keep provoking an immune response among their base.  So dittoheads learn the new players (kinda like the Iraqi-Most-Wanted playing cards issued to US soldiers in Iraq).  Also, dittoheads less likely to get distracted by reality-based things like economic collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tierney understands the NYT is in great financial difficulty, so his hatchet-job on Holdren is a way to publicize his skills to potential employers in the Disinformation industry.  </p>
<p>To really stand out from that soon-unemployed crowd of former journalists, watch for Tierney to throw his shoes at Holdren during the Inaugural. </p>
<p>Holdren allowed his bias favoring the survival of humanity to color his scientific detachment.  For shame.  That&#8217;s *political*.  </p>
<p>Tierney would never allow his bias favoring his own economic survival to color his journalistic objectivity. </p>
<p>Does anyone know if Tierney attends Grover Norquist&#8217;s early morning strategy meetings?  The outlines of a new disinformation campaign seem to be forming, to wit:  Obama is too popular to attack directly.  (RNC&#8217;s attempt to smear him with  Blagojevich slime failed.)  </p>
<p>So until Obama weakens, they attack the *advice* given him by his evil Science Advisor, Holdren Wormtongue.  If nothing sticks, then re-program the dittoheads to attack Carol Browner &#8230; repeat as necessary.  </p>
<p>Benefits:  Keep provoking an immune response among their base.  So dittoheads learn the new players (kinda like the Iraqi-Most-Wanted playing cards issued to US soldiers in Iraq).  Also, dittoheads less likely to get distracted by reality-based things like economic collapse.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hollenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hollenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read the response from Pielke and his &quot;Mitigation Plan&quot;.  Both are close to fact free, and do not respond to any of the criticisms Joe made.  It does appear that a $5 tax on carbon is his entire plan to cut GHG.  Obviously, this won&#039;t make a dent in the problem, it is so close to Business As Usual as to be indistinguishable.

Thanks for sticking with the facts, Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read the response from Pielke and his &#8220;Mitigation Plan&#8221;.  Both are close to fact free, and do not respond to any of the criticisms Joe made.  It does appear that a $5 tax on carbon is his entire plan to cut GHG.  Obviously, this won&#8217;t make a dent in the problem, it is so close to Business As Usual as to be indistinguishable.</p>
<p>Thanks for sticking with the facts, Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: caerbannog</title>
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		<dc:creator>caerbannog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
Where are all the Cedars of Lebanon and the soil that they held back?
&lt;/i&gt;

That reminds me of an old joke that was allegedly popular with the Muslims back in the days of the Crusades:

Q) Why are there no cedars left in Lebanon?

A) Because every Frank (Christian) has a piece of the true cross!</description>
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Where are all the Cedars of Lebanon and the soil that they held back?<br />
</i></p>
<p>That reminds me of an old joke that was allegedly popular with the Muslims back in the days of the Crusades:</p>
<p>Q) Why are there no cedars left in Lebanon?</p>
<p>A) Because every Frank (Christian) has a piece of the true cross!</p>
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