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	<title>Comments on: 2008&#8217;s top 10 climate stories</title>
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		<title>By: medyum</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/01/the-top-10-global-warming-stories-of-2008/#comment-94751</link>
		<dc:creator>medyum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I cannot always discuss the specific scientific technical details I enjoy reading those more educated than I and I absorb it all.

I do know one thing, in my 56 years of living I see red flags that are being ignored because the idea of the extent of change necessary frightens those who have taken all we have as an entitlement. I daresay I wonder what it will be that wakes the slumbering masses</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I cannot always discuss the specific scientific technical details I enjoy reading those more educated than I and I absorb it all.</p>
<p>I do know one thing, in my 56 years of living I see red flags that are being ignored because the idea of the extent of change necessary frightens those who have taken all we have as an entitlement. I daresay I wonder what it will be that wakes the slumbering masses</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Emplode</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/01/the-top-10-global-warming-stories-of-2008/#comment-39410</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Emplode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technology won&#039;t save us. God won&#039;t save us. Humankind is not sustainable. Do the math, then gather up your Mad Max gear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technology won&#8217;t save us. God won&#8217;t save us. Humankind is not sustainable. Do the math, then gather up your Mad Max gear.</p>
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		<title>By: cet</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/01/the-top-10-global-warming-stories-of-2008/#comment-27496</link>
		<dc:creator>cet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evet You’re kidding, right? About the new administration, I mean. Do you honestly think “clean coal” fantasies and toxic nuke plants are going to be a boon to “my future and your future and our children’s future, and perhaps the future of the next 50 generations to walk the earth.”

Or are you just shilling for the dnc again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evet You’re kidding, right? About the new administration, I mean. Do you honestly think “clean coal” fantasies and toxic nuke plants are going to be a boon to “my future and your future and our children’s future, and perhaps the future of the next 50 generations to walk the earth.”</p>
<p>Or are you just shilling for the dnc again?</p>
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		<title>By: online games</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/01/the-top-10-global-warming-stories-of-2008/#comment-26714</link>
		<dc:creator>online games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you do is what we should aspire to: to tell the whole truth, all the time. Once humans understand what’s happening to their world, our hard-wired survival instincts will kick in, and we’ll make the decisions that will save us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you do is what we should aspire to: to tell the whole truth, all the time. Once humans understand what’s happening to their world, our hard-wired survival instincts will kick in, and we’ll make the decisions that will save us.</p>
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		<title>By: msn nickleri</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/01/the-top-10-global-warming-stories-of-2008/#comment-26342</link>
		<dc:creator>msn nickleri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He likes it that they can burn the waste that otherwise has to be stored in places like Yucca for 10,000 years, which solves that problem, and it means no more uranium has to be mined for a few centuries even if these reactors were built in quantity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He likes it that they can burn the waste that otherwise has to be stored in places like Yucca for 10,000 years, which solves that problem, and it means no more uranium has to be mined for a few centuries even if these reactors were built in quantity.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/01/the-top-10-global-warming-stories-of-2008/#comment-26154</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Lewis --- CCS exists.  Its that it is quite expensive still.

I&#039;m looking into enhanced weathering methods which offer the prospect of doing so for under $15 per tonne of CO2 removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Lewis &#8212; CCS exists.  Its that it is quite expensive still.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking into enhanced weathering methods which offer the prospect of doing so for under $15 per tonne of CO2 removed.</p>
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		<title>By: David Lewis</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/01/the-top-10-global-warming-stories-of-2008/#comment-26055</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your list is good.  I was beginning to wonder if I&#039;d see someone put the appearance of the 350 ppm target on a New Year&#039;s list as an event worth noting.  

I heard you on the Earthbeat &quot;Climate Year in Review&quot; show with Andy Revkin.  I enjoyed the exchange between the host, Mike Tidwell, you, and Revkin over Arctic ice.  You:  &quot;the IPCC really blew it on sea level rise&quot;.  Andy:  &quot;Well Joe, I just read the literature differently than you&quot;.  And when Tidwell pressed, &quot;Andy... would you agree... this is an accelerated process beyond what most scientists thought was the case ten years ago&quot;,  Andy changed the subject.  I keep wondering what is going on inside Andy&#039;s head.  

Here&#039;s a quote from an open letter Hansen is sending to Obama via Holdren once Obama is President:  

&quot;urgency now dictates a personal appeal.  Scientists at the forefront of climate research have seen a stream of new data in the past few years with startling implications for humanity and all life on earth&quot;.  

Hansen is stating to Obama that if he wants to check on how solid the science is re the 350 ppm target he just has to ask his National Academy of Sciences.  

I wonder if Hansen might say to Andy Revkin:  &quot;Well Andy, I just write the literature differently than the way you read it&quot;.  

Re:  sea level rise.  I think the best assessment is along the lines of what John Holdren gave at &quot; The American Response to Climate Change&quot;&quot;

&quot;Sea level is now going up at twice the rate of the 20th century, and is expected to accelerate.  Nobody knows by how much because we do not understand and can not model the mechanisms by which rising temperature can produce accelerated disintegration of the ice sheets. We do know that it has happened multiple times in the past under climate change forcings that are weaker than the ones we are experiencing today.&quot;

as it doesn&#039;t state what they clearly don&#039;t know, i.e. a definite figure in meters.  Holdren went on, I get the sense he enjoys doing this:

&quot;We know that melting the Greenland, and Antarctic ice sheets, all of them, would raise global sea level by something like 70 meters.  The conventional wisdom has been that would take thousands of years.  But we now know that rates of 2 - 5 meters per century are possible because its happened at least twice in the past 19,000 years as a result of natural forcings over that period.  These panels [ my note: you have to see the video to see his powerpoint slides ] show what happens to the S.E. United States under a 7 meter rise, that&#039;s if you lose the whole Greenland ice sheet, here&#039;s 12 meters, that&#039;s Greenland and West Antarctica, and here&#039;s 70 meters, if you lose the whole shooting match [ my note: slide shows map of SE U.S., Florida is gone ], and of course, this coastline is no longer recognizable. 
 
We should all ask what sea level rise means in our region.  And this is Cape Cod.  This shows what it, i.e. 70 meters would mean to Cape Cod and the Boston area where I live.  [ my note:  goodbye Cape Cod ].  This always has a dramatic effect on audiences at Harvard and M.I.T.&quot;

Hansen is getting increasingly sure of himself as he touts the Argonne National Labs design breeder reactor.  His third recommendation to Obama was &quot;urgent R&amp;D&quot; into these reactors.  He likes it that they can burn the waste that otherwise has to be stored in places like Yucca for 10,000 years, which solves that problem, and it means no more uranium has to be mined for a few centuries even if these reactors were built in quantity.  The waste that comes out decays in a few hundred years rather than the tens of thousands, and duh, obviously, in operation there&#039;s no CO2 coming out.  He&#039;s still saying if anyone runs any coal plants they have to be CCS.  He seems to think the CCS technology exists.  I guess one of the groups saying it doesn&#039;t exist, like Gore&#039;s, should go and straighten him out.  Eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your list is good.  I was beginning to wonder if I&#8217;d see someone put the appearance of the 350 ppm target on a New Year&#8217;s list as an event worth noting.  </p>
<p>I heard you on the Earthbeat &#8220;Climate Year in Review&#8221; show with Andy Revkin.  I enjoyed the exchange between the host, Mike Tidwell, you, and Revkin over Arctic ice.  You:  &#8220;the IPCC really blew it on sea level rise&#8221;.  Andy:  &#8220;Well Joe, I just read the literature differently than you&#8221;.  And when Tidwell pressed, &#8220;Andy&#8230; would you agree&#8230; this is an accelerated process beyond what most scientists thought was the case ten years ago&#8221;,  Andy changed the subject.  I keep wondering what is going on inside Andy&#8217;s head.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from an open letter Hansen is sending to Obama via Holdren once Obama is President:  </p>
<p>&#8220;urgency now dictates a personal appeal.  Scientists at the forefront of climate research have seen a stream of new data in the past few years with startling implications for humanity and all life on earth&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Hansen is stating to Obama that if he wants to check on how solid the science is re the 350 ppm target he just has to ask his National Academy of Sciences.  </p>
<p>I wonder if Hansen might say to Andy Revkin:  &#8220;Well Andy, I just write the literature differently than the way you read it&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Re:  sea level rise.  I think the best assessment is along the lines of what John Holdren gave at &#8221; The American Response to Climate Change&#8221;"</p>
<p>&#8220;Sea level is now going up at twice the rate of the 20th century, and is expected to accelerate.  Nobody knows by how much because we do not understand and can not model the mechanisms by which rising temperature can produce accelerated disintegration of the ice sheets. We do know that it has happened multiple times in the past under climate change forcings that are weaker than the ones we are experiencing today.&#8221;</p>
<p>as it doesn&#8217;t state what they clearly don&#8217;t know, i.e. a definite figure in meters.  Holdren went on, I get the sense he enjoys doing this:</p>
<p>&#8220;We know that melting the Greenland, and Antarctic ice sheets, all of them, would raise global sea level by something like 70 meters.  The conventional wisdom has been that would take thousands of years.  But we now know that rates of 2 &#8211; 5 meters per century are possible because its happened at least twice in the past 19,000 years as a result of natural forcings over that period.  These panels [ my note: you have to see the video to see his powerpoint slides ] show what happens to the S.E. United States under a 7 meter rise, that&#8217;s if you lose the whole Greenland ice sheet, here&#8217;s 12 meters, that&#8217;s Greenland and West Antarctica, and here&#8217;s 70 meters, if you lose the whole shooting match [ my note: slide shows map of SE U.S., Florida is gone ], and of course, this coastline is no longer recognizable. </p>
<p>We should all ask what sea level rise means in our region.  And this is Cape Cod.  This shows what it, i.e. 70 meters would mean to Cape Cod and the Boston area where I live.  [ my note:  goodbye Cape Cod ].  This always has a dramatic effect on audiences at Harvard and M.I.T.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hansen is getting increasingly sure of himself as he touts the Argonne National Labs design breeder reactor.  His third recommendation to Obama was &#8220;urgent R&amp;D&#8221; into these reactors.  He likes it that they can burn the waste that otherwise has to be stored in places like Yucca for 10,000 years, which solves that problem, and it means no more uranium has to be mined for a few centuries even if these reactors were built in quantity.  The waste that comes out decays in a few hundred years rather than the tens of thousands, and duh, obviously, in operation there&#8217;s no CO2 coming out.  He&#8217;s still saying if anyone runs any coal plants they have to be CCS.  He seems to think the CCS technology exists.  I guess one of the groups saying it doesn&#8217;t exist, like Gore&#8217;s, should go and straighten him out.  Eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/01/the-top-10-global-warming-stories-of-2008/#comment-26010</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smithee -- Not really a regular reader, are you?  And apparently you&#039;ve never heard of hyperlinks.  You might try clicking on them some day and learn what I think and what the new Cabinet thinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smithee &#8212; Not really a regular reader, are you?  And apparently you&#8217;ve never heard of hyperlinks.  You might try clicking on them some day and learn what I think and what the new Cabinet thinks.</p>
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		<title>By: AlanSmithee</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/01/the-top-10-global-warming-stories-of-2008/#comment-26009</link>
		<dc:creator>AlanSmithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re kidding, right?  About the new administration, I mean.  Do you honestly think &quot;clean coal&quot; fantasies and toxic nuke plants are going to be a boon to  &quot;my future and your future and our children’s future, and perhaps the future of the next 50 generations to walk the earth.&quot;

Or are you just shilling for the dnc again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re kidding, right?  About the new administration, I mean.  Do you honestly think &#8220;clean coal&#8221; fantasies and toxic nuke plants are going to be a boon to  &#8220;my future and your future and our children’s future, and perhaps the future of the next 50 generations to walk the earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or are you just shilling for the dnc again?</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/01/the-top-10-global-warming-stories-of-2008/#comment-25998</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link for that ....

Climate scientists: it’s time for ‘Plan B’
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/climate-scientists-its-time-for-plan-b-1221092.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link for that &#8230;.</p>
<p>Climate scientists: it’s time for ‘Plan B’<br />
<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/climate-scientists-its-time-for-plan-b-1221092.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>environment/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>climate-change/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>climate-scientists-its-time-for-plan-b-1221092.html</a></p>
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