Comments on: The four global warming impact studies Bush tried to bury in his final days http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:16:11 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Gregory Fegel http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-29288 Gregory Fegel Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:39:44 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-29288 It has not been proved that the recent increases in global temperature and CO2 levels have been caused by human activity. The fact is that the planet has been considerably warmer and CO2 levels have been much higher in the past. The recent warm period is more likely the result of the variations in solar output known as solar flares or sunspots, which correlate with both the recent warming and the even more recent cooling during the record-breaking winters of 2007-8 and 2008-9. Whatever the cause might be, suppose that global temperatures continued to rise as much as several degrees C over the next one or two hundred years. That would cause more polar ice to melt and sea levels to rise, which would indeed cause tremendous problems for coastal communities. Meanwhile, in the temperate zones, agriculture would be improved by a longer growing season, and the increase of CO2 would increase plant biomass throughgout the world.... [<em>JR: Everything you have written here is disinformation, long-debunked in the scientific literature, as I have blogged many times. The rest of you comment has been deleted as per my long-stated policy on long-debunked disinformation.</em>] It has not been proved that the recent increases in global temperature and CO2 levels have been caused by human activity. The fact is that the planet has been considerably warmer and CO2 levels have been much higher in the past. The recent warm period is more likely the result of the variations in solar output known as solar flares or sunspots, which correlate with both the recent warming and the even more recent cooling during the record-breaking winters of 2007-8 and 2008-9.

Whatever the cause might be, suppose that global temperatures continued to rise as much as several degrees C over the next one or two hundred years. That would cause more polar ice to melt and sea levels to rise, which would indeed cause tremendous problems for coastal communities. Meanwhile, in the temperate zones, agriculture would be improved by a longer growing season, and the increase of CO2 would increase plant biomass throughgout the world….

[JR: Everything you have written here is disinformation, long-debunked in the scientific literature, as I have blogged many times. The rest of you comment has been deleted as per my long-stated policy on long-debunked disinformation.]

]]> By: B. Ray http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-28044 B. Ray Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:46:50 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-28044 We are heading for a human die off. Sorry to be so skeptical. No one likes to talk about it. We humans are instinctively just too greedy and selfish. The planet will be fine. What nature considers a temporary adjustment, (ice age, famine, large meteor impact) we all consider a crises "of biblical proportions." We may not become exstinct. But the word "change" will not do justice to what will occur in during just several decades. Remember, in the lifetime of this planet we humans have only been around a few minutes (if that). Should we leave the party we will not have been around long enough to be missed. What I think is easy to predict is extended state of denial that will continue amongst the leading polluters (USA, China, India, tec.). We now have a devastating problem that governments will not even admit is occuring. And if they ever due will not be able to coordicate an effective and timely solution. This is the easiest "prediction" to make. Denial and debate will continue well into the ongoing negative climate phase and will doom millions. The affects of greed, corruption and stupidity (the words that best define the past adminsistration) are easiest to predict. We can't borrow/spend/murder our way out of this one. Yet that is all the governments of the world are good at creating. We are heading for a human die off. Sorry to be so skeptical. No one likes to talk about it. We humans are instinctively just too greedy and selfish. The planet will be fine. What nature considers a temporary adjustment, (ice age, famine, large meteor impact) we all consider a crises “of biblical proportions.” We may not become exstinct. But the word “change” will not do justice to what will occur in during just several decades.

Remember, in the lifetime of this planet we humans have only been around a few minutes (if that). Should we leave the party we will not have been around long enough to be missed.

What I think is easy to predict is extended state of denial that will continue amongst the leading polluters (USA, China, India, tec.). We now have a devastating problem that governments will not even admit is occuring. And if they ever due will not be able to coordicate an effective and timely solution. This is the easiest “prediction” to make. Denial and debate will continue well into the ongoing negative climate phase and will doom millions.

The affects of greed, corruption and stupidity (the words that best define the past adminsistration) are easiest to predict.

We can’t borrow/spend/murder our way out of this one. Yet that is all the governments of the world are good at creating.

]]> By: R. L. Vetter http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27749 R. L. Vetter Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:01:26 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27749 Wether or not the global earth is on a significant warming trend or is in a normal cycle is open to objective debate. To say that man-produced carbon dioxide is the the dominant cause of such a trend is what is really open for debate. The tragedy is that political decisons are being made without having the broad input of scientific study, interpretations and projections. The proponents have one to believe that only they have valid science......there are an equal or greater number of basic scientists with equally valid positions. What are the real truths. The old saying "follow the money". Personally, I concur that we need all phases of legitimate conservation of our resources and move wisely towards all alternative energies...no one source is the answer. For 50 years, my research efforts have been directed towards the wise utilization of our wasted resources. I appreciate the opportunity to express my opinion...thank you. Wether or not the global earth is on a significant warming trend or is in a normal cycle is open to objective debate. To say that man-produced carbon dioxide is the the dominant cause of such a trend is what is really open for debate. The tragedy is that political decisons are being made without having the broad input of scientific study, interpretations and projections. The proponents have one to believe that only they have valid science……there are an equal or greater number of basic scientists with equally valid positions. What are the real truths. The old saying “follow the money”. Personally, I concur that we need all phases of legitimate conservation of our resources and move wisely towards all alternative energies…no one source is the answer. For 50 years, my research efforts have been directed towards the wise utilization of our wasted resources. I appreciate the opportunity to express my opinion…thank you.

]]> By: Roger http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27689 Roger Wed, 21 Jan 2009 07:52:19 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27689 U.S. taxpayers have payed close to $20 billion dollars for the research work that has gone into this whole series of government reports, yet their frightening findings about the likely impact of climate disruption have barely seen the light of day. Even state climatologists seem unaware! We should pass a new law saying that Americans can't get their tax refunds until they've read at least the executive summaries of these reports. Then, while the reports are freshly in mind, ask them to vote for a new fossil fuel tax to help accelerate the shift to climate-friendly energy. Barack should also read, then brief Americans on the reports' findings. U.S. taxpayers have payed close to $20 billion dollars for the research work that has gone into this whole series of government reports, yet their frightening findings about the likely impact of climate disruption have barely seen the light of day. Even state climatologists seem unaware!

We should pass a new law saying that Americans can’t get their tax refunds until they’ve read at least the executive summaries of these
reports. Then, while the reports are freshly in mind, ask them to vote for a new fossil fuel tax to help accelerate the shift to climate-friendly energy.

Barack should also read, then brief Americans on the reports’ findings.

]]> By: Mark http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27634 Mark Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:42:25 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27634 As a life long MN resident, I've seen more snowmobiles in the last month or so than I've seen in the last 15 years combined. We've had year after year of ice fishing contests canceled because of thin ice, but not this year! I agree, it's a normal winter, but those with short memories think this is really something. As a life long MN resident, I’ve seen more snowmobiles in the last month or so than I’ve seen in the last 15 years combined. We’ve had year after year of ice fishing contests canceled because of thin ice, but not this year!

I agree, it’s a normal winter, but those with short memories think this is really something.

]]> By: P. G. Dudda http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27623 P. G. Dudda Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:39:12 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27623 Yes, I'm also amused by how easily folks are deceived by the occurrence of the first "normal"-ish winter in, oh, 15-20 years! Yet, 2 years ago, I saw people riding motorcycles in Minnesota... in FEBRUARY! Yes, I’m also amused by how easily folks are deceived by the occurrence of the first “normal”-ish winter in, oh, 15-20 years! Yet, 2 years ago, I saw people riding motorcycles in Minnesota… in FEBRUARY!

]]> By: Bob Wright http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27614 Bob Wright Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:17:29 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27614 Timing the release in the middle of a very 1950s winter is inspired, also. I'll have to drop by my folks' house and try to find my old ice skates. Been a long time, and might get a in couple days before the ice melts. My grown kids have never even seen anyone skating outside on natural ice. They wonder about the ancient hockey sticks hanging up in my Dad's garage. Timing the release in the middle of a very 1950s winter is inspired, also. I’ll have to drop by my folks’ house and try to find my old ice skates. Been a long time, and might get a in couple days before the ice melts. My grown kids have never even seen anyone skating outside on natural ice. They wonder about the ancient hockey sticks hanging up in my Dad’s garage.

]]> By: paulm http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27601 paulm Tue, 20 Jan 2009 05:46:21 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27601 "We cannot rule out that human-induced climate change will trigger such events in the <b>future.</b>" This report is out of date already. They are happening now - like the Arctic melt. This is a problem, even the most qualified refuse to recognize how advance things are! “We cannot rule out that human-induced climate change will trigger such events in the future.”

This report is out of date already. They are happening now – like the Arctic melt.

This is a problem, even the most qualified refuse to recognize how advance things are!

]]> By: Andy http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27598 Andy Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:21:14 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/19/bush-climate-impacts-climate-change-science-program-ccsp-muzzling/#comment-27598 I read this post just after reading Mr. Hawkins post on the NRDC's actions. If the NRDC wants to remain true to their mission, then they should have the guts to tell their membership that they've come to an agreement with major US companies that is guaranteed to destroy all of the wetlands (and natural beaches) on the east coast. There's a time to sit down with folks who disagree with you and enjoy the cup of coffee or lunch they provide and then there's a time to get up, walk out, and find another way. I read this post just after reading Mr. Hawkins post on the NRDC’s actions. If the NRDC wants to remain true to their mission, then they should have the guts to tell their membership that they’ve come to an agreement with major US companies that is guaranteed to destroy all of the wetlands (and natural beaches) on the east coast.

There’s a time to sit down with folks who disagree with you and enjoy the cup of coffee or lunch they provide and then there’s a time to get up, walk out, and find another way.

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