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	<title>Comments on: Obama can get a better climate bill in 2010.  Here&#8217;s how.</title>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-better-global-warming-bill-2010-salon/#comment-30824</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some 95% of posts are by me, Joseph Romm, and essentially all other posts have the authors name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some 95% of posts are by me, Joseph Romm, and essentially all other posts have the authors name.</p>
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		<title>By: Frustrated Reader</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-better-global-warming-bill-2010-salon/#comment-30822</link>
		<dc:creator>Frustrated Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughtful comments in the blog, but who are &quot;you&quot;?  &quot;You&quot; should do the reader the courtesy of signing your article, rather than just saying &quot;in MY Salon article...&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful comments in the blog, but who are &#8220;you&#8221;?  &#8220;You&#8221; should do the reader the courtesy of signing your article, rather than just saying &#8220;in MY Salon article&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-better-global-warming-bill-2010-salon/#comment-29418</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are good points.  Warming Law has also laid out how Obama can get a strong climate bill (presumably cap-and-trade) in the next two years.  It&#039;s a good roadmap, focusing less on international negotiations and more on domestic steps he can take under CAA, EPCA, etc. stemming from Mass. v. EPA and other legal rulings. Crucially, the roadmap explains how to get industry behind a strong cap-and-trade bill -- the strategy being basically make firms&#039; lives hell by encouraging a state-by-state &quot;patchwork&quot; of regulations, as wells as by implementing unpredictable command-and-control style regulations on the federal level, until major industries like autos and utilities are begging Congress for some comprehensive, organized leadership.  See more here:  http://theusconstitution.org/blog.warming/?p=500</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are good points.  Warming Law has also laid out how Obama can get a strong climate bill (presumably cap-and-trade) in the next two years.  It&#8217;s a good roadmap, focusing less on international negotiations and more on domestic steps he can take under CAA, EPCA, etc. stemming from Mass. v. EPA and other legal rulings. Crucially, the roadmap explains how to get industry behind a strong cap-and-trade bill &#8212; the strategy being basically make firms&#8217; lives hell by encouraging a state-by-state &#8220;patchwork&#8221; of regulations, as wells as by implementing unpredictable command-and-control style regulations on the federal level, until major industries like autos and utilities are begging Congress for some comprehensive, organized leadership.  See more here:  <a href="http://theusconstitution.org/blog.warming/?p=500" rel="nofollow">http://theusconstitution.org/blog.warming/?p=500</a></p>
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		<title>By: joebhed</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-better-global-warming-bill-2010-salon/#comment-29093</link>
		<dc:creator>joebhed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really silly.
The progressive wing of the environmental movement is STILL proposing the auctioning of pollution allowances and then arguing over what percentage of that income needs to be redistributed back to &quot;whomever&quot;.
Get OVER it.

A carbon tax is the only logical solution to go forward.
Don&#039;t &quot;international-ize&quot; me.
The American people do not deserve to, and should not, pay one nickel more than is absolutely necessary to achieve our carbon-balancing goals.
Wake up lefties.
The carbon tax is the solution that gets us there faster and cheaper than any of that unworkable Cap-and-Trade BS.
Carbon tax NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really silly.<br />
The progressive wing of the environmental movement is STILL proposing the auctioning of pollution allowances and then arguing over what percentage of that income needs to be redistributed back to &#8220;whomever&#8221;.<br />
Get OVER it.</p>
<p>A carbon tax is the only logical solution to go forward.<br />
Don&#8217;t &#8220;international-ize&#8221; me.<br />
The American people do not deserve to, and should not, pay one nickel more than is absolutely necessary to achieve our carbon-balancing goals.<br />
Wake up lefties.<br />
The carbon tax is the solution that gets us there faster and cheaper than any of that unworkable Cap-and-Trade BS.<br />
Carbon tax NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-better-global-warming-bill-2010-salon/#comment-28220</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Carl Jung, one of the fathers of psychology, famously remarked that &#039;people cannot stand too much reality.&#039;&quot;  Thus begins James Kunstler&#039;s 2005 book, &quot;The Long Emergency, Surviving the End of Oil, Climate Change, and Other Converging Catastrophes of the Twenty-First Century.&quot;

Two points from the above:  1) Unfortunately, it only takes one denier, out of many experts, to keep the majority of citizens happily bewildered--because they&#039;d much rather believe the denier; and 2) Yes, &#039;climate disruption&#039; (the preferred, new term) is, for better or worse, a &#039;long emergency--&#039; unlike any that we homo sapiens have seen before.

Point two is interesting because studies of human behavior in emergencys shows that most people (~80%) &#039;zone out&#039; in an emergency--essentially frozen until they either get a clear instruction, or figure out which way the rest of the crowd is headed.  My point is that with climate disruption being an emergency, and with no clear instruction yet coming from our leader, most citizens are frozen into inaction, or worse, denial of the problem.

What&#039;s the solution?  Mr. Mazza touches on it above when he mentions the need for President Obama to speak.  I would go further, and suggest that the President should be urged to announce to the nation that he will make an important, prime-time speech concerning climate disruption within his first 100 days in office.   (Within 30 days would be even better!)

Obama hinted at what needs to be said in his address last week, when he referred to the problems we have as being both real and serious--and supported by data.  But he needs to be more explicit than this, to clearly lay out the reality, the seriousness, and the urgency of dealing with climate disruption--in a way that will clarify things for the majority.

Jim Hansen speaks of the huge gap between what the scientists know about climate disruption, and what the general public knows.  He also speaks of the need to close this gap if we are going to get public support for the many aggresive steps that need to be taken this year, and beyond, in order to preserve man&#039;s place on the planet.  There is no quicker, simpler, less expensive way to close this gap than for Obama to give a special address on the topic.  It will be his most important speech.

Joe, maybe you can pass this idea along, through Dr. Holdren or directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Carl Jung, one of the fathers of psychology, famously remarked that &#8216;people cannot stand too much reality.&#8217;&#8221;  Thus begins James Kunstler&#8217;s 2005 book, &#8220;The Long Emergency, Surviving the End of Oil, Climate Change, and Other Converging Catastrophes of the Twenty-First Century.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two points from the above:  1) Unfortunately, it only takes one denier, out of many experts, to keep the majority of citizens happily bewildered&#8211;because they&#8217;d much rather believe the denier; and 2) Yes, &#8216;climate disruption&#8217; (the preferred, new term) is, for better or worse, a &#8216;long emergency&#8211;&#8217; unlike any that we homo sapiens have seen before.</p>
<p>Point two is interesting because studies of human behavior in emergencys shows that most people (~80%) &#8216;zone out&#8217; in an emergency&#8211;essentially frozen until they either get a clear instruction, or figure out which way the rest of the crowd is headed.  My point is that with climate disruption being an emergency, and with no clear instruction yet coming from our leader, most citizens are frozen into inaction, or worse, denial of the problem.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the solution?  Mr. Mazza touches on it above when he mentions the need for President Obama to speak.  I would go further, and suggest that the President should be urged to announce to the nation that he will make an important, prime-time speech concerning climate disruption within his first 100 days in office.   (Within 30 days would be even better!)</p>
<p>Obama hinted at what needs to be said in his address last week, when he referred to the problems we have as being both real and serious&#8211;and supported by data.  But he needs to be more explicit than this, to clearly lay out the reality, the seriousness, and the urgency of dealing with climate disruption&#8211;in a way that will clarify things for the majority.</p>
<p>Jim Hansen speaks of the huge gap between what the scientists know about climate disruption, and what the general public knows.  He also speaks of the need to close this gap if we are going to get public support for the many aggresive steps that need to be taken this year, and beyond, in order to preserve man&#8217;s place on the planet.  There is no quicker, simpler, less expensive way to close this gap than for Obama to give a special address on the topic.  It will be his most important speech.</p>
<p>Joe, maybe you can pass this idea along, through Dr. Holdren or directly.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-better-global-warming-bill-2010-salon/#comment-28212</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilmot McCutchen --- Once there is a sufficently high concentration of CO2, around 38,000 ppm looks to be enough, enhanced mineral weathering will permanently remove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilmot McCutchen &#8212; Once there is a sufficently high concentration of CO2, around 38,000 ppm looks to be enough, enhanced mineral weathering will permanently remove it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilmot McCutchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilmot McCutchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Richard Levangie -- Nova Scotia sounds like it has a sustainable energy future, unlike much of North America.  Conservation and alternative fuels (except corn ethanol) certainly must be expanded as much as possible, but the power needed for the US and rapidly developing countries such as India and China dwarfs what can be scrimped together by those means.  In the near term (before 2050 at least) I&#039;m afraid we&#039;re stuck with coal to get that power.  

So we need a moon shot effort to develop the technology to get coal emissions under control.  Clean coal propaganda obscures the fact that we don&#039;t know how to do post-combustion carbon capture, nor do we know what to do with CO2 once we have captured it.  

There may be a way to recycle carbon, getting liquid vehicle fuel from CO2.  See http://aiche.confex.com/aiche/2008/techprogram/P125471.HTM.  The Idaho National Lab has demonstrated simultaneous electrolysis of CO2 and water to make syngas (CO + H2), a process they have dubbed &quot;syntrolysis&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Richard Levangie &#8212; Nova Scotia sounds like it has a sustainable energy future, unlike much of North America.  Conservation and alternative fuels (except corn ethanol) certainly must be expanded as much as possible, but the power needed for the US and rapidly developing countries such as India and China dwarfs what can be scrimped together by those means.  In the near term (before 2050 at least) I&#8217;m afraid we&#8217;re stuck with coal to get that power.  </p>
<p>So we need a moon shot effort to develop the technology to get coal emissions under control.  Clean coal propaganda obscures the fact that we don&#8217;t know how to do post-combustion carbon capture, nor do we know what to do with CO2 once we have captured it.  </p>
<p>There may be a way to recycle carbon, getting liquid vehicle fuel from CO2.  See <a href="http://aiche.confex.com/aiche/2008/techprogram/P125471.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://aiche.confex.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>aiche/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2008/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>techprogram/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>P125471.HTM</a>.  The Idaho National Lab has demonstrated simultaneous electrolysis of CO2 and water to make syngas (CO + H2), a process they have dubbed &#8220;syntrolysis&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-better-global-warming-bill-2010-salon/#comment-28193</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arg.  precessional</description>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-better-global-warming-bill-2010-salon/#comment-28192</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim A --- The last processional possiblity to begin a stade (massive ice sheets) maxed out about 2000 years ago.  Even without the AGW at that time (for which readd W.F. Ruddiman&#039;s popular &quot;Plows, Plagues and Petroleum&quot;) it was too shrimpy a forcing to succeed.  The next possiblity begins about 20,000 years from now; that is isn&#039;t big either.  The one after that, a big one, is around 50,000 years from now.

No &#039;ice ages&#039; for a long, long, long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim A &#8212; The last processional possiblity to begin a stade (massive ice sheets) maxed out about 2000 years ago.  Even without the AGW at that time (for which readd W.F. Ruddiman&#8217;s popular &#8220;Plows, Plagues and Petroleum&#8221;) it was too shrimpy a forcing to succeed.  The next possiblity begins about 20,000 years from now; that is isn&#8217;t big either.  The one after that, a big one, is around 50,000 years from now.</p>
<p>No &#8216;ice ages&#8217; for a long, long, long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pauli</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-better-global-warming-bill-2010-salon/#comment-28179</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Pauli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t even use the word &quot;delay&quot;

Should we make a starving and thirsty man await the preparation of a full course meal?

There are thousands of points of change, no one climate bill can be comprehensive enough to fully address the issue.  This is the most important issue of our time, and should be constantly addressed by Congress.   

Our eco-pathic (like a sociopath)  GOP  deserves no compromise.  We may strategically time major political actions - but AGW marches forward despite what bill is in front of Congress.   When the next clear catastrophe crosses the line, then why was there any delay?
  
CO2 levels are constantly and consistently rising -Why not tie action to point increases?   CO2 is over 385 today, in two years 390 is totally plausible.  

I could see great success in swarms of legislation, executive actions, and judicial rulings - each on some small part of the problem.   

I don&#039;t need to see my government putting wrapping paper and a bow on anything right now.    The big, huge bills seem to be part of the problem anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t even use the word &#8220;delay&#8221;</p>
<p>Should we make a starving and thirsty man await the preparation of a full course meal?</p>
<p>There are thousands of points of change, no one climate bill can be comprehensive enough to fully address the issue.  This is the most important issue of our time, and should be constantly addressed by Congress.   </p>
<p>Our eco-pathic (like a sociopath)  GOP  deserves no compromise.  We may strategically time major political actions &#8211; but AGW marches forward despite what bill is in front of Congress.   When the next clear catastrophe crosses the line, then why was there any delay?</p>
<p>CO2 levels are constantly and consistently rising -Why not tie action to point increases?   CO2 is over 385 today, in two years 390 is totally plausible.  </p>
<p>I could see great success in swarms of legislation, executive actions, and judicial rulings &#8211; each on some small part of the problem.   </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need to see my government putting wrapping paper and a bow on anything right now.    The big, huge bills seem to be part of the problem anyway.</p>
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