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	<title>Comments on: Obama EPA blocks South Dakota Coal Power Plant</title>
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		<title>By: Kojiro Vance</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-epa-blocks-south-dakota-coal-power-plant/#comment-28468</link>
		<dc:creator>Kojiro Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Stone gets its coal from Powder River basin in Wyoming and has absolutely nothing to do with mountaintop removal.  

But don&#039;t let the facts get in the way of an emotional argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Stone gets its coal from Powder River basin in Wyoming and has absolutely nothing to do with mountaintop removal.  </p>
<p>But don&#8217;t let the facts get in the way of an emotional argument.</p>
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		<title>By: tmullins</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-epa-blocks-south-dakota-coal-power-plant/#comment-28464</link>
		<dc:creator>tmullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clean coal is a myth.  The extraction of clean coal by decapitating mountaintops and filling in valleys and streams is a SIN !
http://www.wisecountyissues.com  STOP THE BOMBING IN APPALACHIA !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clean coal is a myth.  The extraction of clean coal by decapitating mountaintops and filling in valleys and streams is a SIN !<br />
<a href="http://www.wisecountyissues.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wisecountyissues.com</a>  STOP THE BOMBING IN APPALACHIA !</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-epa-blocks-south-dakota-coal-power-plant/#comment-28368</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for linking Joe. I&#039;ll be keeping an eye on this to see what happens next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for linking Joe. I&#8217;ll be keeping an eye on this to see what happens next.</p>
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		<title>By: Kojiro Vance</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-epa-blocks-south-dakota-coal-power-plant/#comment-28242</link>
		<dc:creator>Kojiro Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It continues.  

If BS2 is approved the two plants together will produce LESS pollution than the BS1 plant operating on its own.  Today BS1 emits about 200 pounds of mercury annually in its stack emissions.  If approved the two plants together, while producing twice as much power, will generate only 70-90 pounds of mercury.   

So in blocking BS2, environmentalists are condemning the residents downwind of BS1 to more pollution than is necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It continues.  </p>
<p>If BS2 is approved the two plants together will produce LESS pollution than the BS1 plant operating on its own.  Today BS1 emits about 200 pounds of mercury annually in its stack emissions.  If approved the two plants together, while producing twice as much power, will generate only 70-90 pounds of mercury.   </p>
<p>So in blocking BS2, environmentalists are condemning the residents downwind of BS1 to more pollution than is necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Kojiro Vance</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-epa-blocks-south-dakota-coal-power-plant/#comment-28235</link>
		<dc:creator>Kojiro Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so fast sparky!  

This is exactly the sort of thing I&#039;m talking about.  Environmentalists reject a cleaner coal plant so the operators are forced to keep a dirtier plant running longer.  

Big Stone 1 was built in the mid 1970s and has a heat rate of 10,600 BTU/kWh, for a thermal efficiency of about 32%.  

Big Stone 2 will have a heat rate of 8,900 for an efficiency of 38%.  So Big Stone 2 will produce 16% more power using the same amount of coal. 

But actually it is better than than.  If Big Stone 2 is approved the operator will install a new wet gas scrubber big enough to handle the emissions from both plants combined, further reducing emissions of both SO2 and particulates.  (This partly explains why Big Stone 2&#039;s heat rate isn&#039;t even higher - it uses some of its power to clean up Big Stone 1.)   Big Stone 2 emits 7 times less mercury than Big Stone 1.    

Both plants are slated to burn Powder River Basin coal from Wyoming, so no mountain tops will be harmed.  When the operator has to idle back one of the plants, he is likely to cut rates at BS1, which has the higher fuel costs, thus producing less greenhouse gases than otherwise would have been made.  If at some point in the future alternatives displace coal, the operator is more likely to shut down the older, less efficient BS1 plant.    

Now thanks to the Sierra Club and other progressives, BS2 is delayed even further meaning more pollution and more greenhouse gas.  

Rejecting new, cleaner coal plants does nothing to shut down the old inefficient ones, in fact it does the opposite.  It forces utilities to run the dirty plants past their economic lives in order to avoid rolling blackouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so fast sparky!  </p>
<p>This is exactly the sort of thing I&#8217;m talking about.  Environmentalists reject a cleaner coal plant so the operators are forced to keep a dirtier plant running longer.  </p>
<p>Big Stone 1 was built in the mid 1970s and has a heat rate of 10,600 BTU/kWh, for a thermal efficiency of about 32%.  </p>
<p>Big Stone 2 will have a heat rate of 8,900 for an efficiency of 38%.  So Big Stone 2 will produce 16% more power using the same amount of coal. </p>
<p>But actually it is better than than.  If Big Stone 2 is approved the operator will install a new wet gas scrubber big enough to handle the emissions from both plants combined, further reducing emissions of both SO2 and particulates.  (This partly explains why Big Stone 2&#8217;s heat rate isn&#8217;t even higher &#8211; it uses some of its power to clean up Big Stone 1.)   Big Stone 2 emits 7 times less mercury than Big Stone 1.    </p>
<p>Both plants are slated to burn Powder River Basin coal from Wyoming, so no mountain tops will be harmed.  When the operator has to idle back one of the plants, he is likely to cut rates at BS1, which has the higher fuel costs, thus producing less greenhouse gases than otherwise would have been made.  If at some point in the future alternatives displace coal, the operator is more likely to shut down the older, less efficient BS1 plant.    </p>
<p>Now thanks to the Sierra Club and other progressives, BS2 is delayed even further meaning more pollution and more greenhouse gas.  </p>
<p>Rejecting new, cleaner coal plants does nothing to shut down the old inefficient ones, in fact it does the opposite.  It forces utilities to run the dirty plants past their economic lives in order to avoid rolling blackouts.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-epa-blocks-south-dakota-coal-power-plant/#comment-28191</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-)

Again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://climateprogress.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Again.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg N</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-epa-blocks-south-dakota-coal-power-plant/#comment-28184</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Golden days - so many inspirational announcements that even Joe can&#039;t keep up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golden days &#8211; so many inspirational announcements that even Joe can&#8217;t keep up!</p>
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		<title>By: MikeB</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-epa-blocks-south-dakota-coal-power-plant/#comment-28166</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, we need to halt coal plants due to their negative effect on the atmosphere, so this is good news.  

However, I wonder if the recent spill from a coal ash holding pond has produced a new angle for these efforts?  People are far more likely to respond to immediate threats of toxic chemicals in their water supply, which is exactly what&#039;s brewing in TN.  Even the most deluded global warming denier is going to think twice about millions of gallons of toxic sludge flowing down their local river.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, we need to halt coal plants due to their negative effect on the atmosphere, so this is good news.  </p>
<p>However, I wonder if the recent spill from a coal ash holding pond has produced a new angle for these efforts?  People are far more likely to respond to immediate threats of toxic chemicals in their water supply, which is exactly what&#8217;s brewing in TN.  Even the most deluded global warming denier is going to think twice about millions of gallons of toxic sludge flowing down their local river.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/obama-epa-blocks-south-dakota-coal-power-plant/#comment-28164</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe your churning out so much material! 

As noted you dictate it...why don&#039;t you post the audio along with the transcripts. 

That means I get to listen to your post while doing dinner. 

(Apple people can of course use the text-to-speech service on their Mac, but its much better hearing it from the horses mouth.)

[&lt;em&gt;JR:    It is almost impossible for me to keep up with what is coming out.

Note:  I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking.  I don&#039;t dictate wholesale, but rather large chunks of text.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe your churning out so much material! </p>
<p>As noted you dictate it&#8230;why don&#8217;t you post the audio along with the transcripts. </p>
<p>That means I get to listen to your post while doing dinner. </p>
<p>(Apple people can of course use the text-to-speech service on their Mac, but its much better hearing it from the horses mouth.)</p>
<p>[<em>JR:    It is almost impossible for me to keep up with what is coming out.</p>
<p>Note:  I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking.  I don't dictate wholesale, but rather large chunks of text.</em>]</p>
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