Comments on: Contest: On what day will Obama sign a climate bill? http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:16:08 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: J4zonian http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29456 J4zonian Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:37:42 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29456 Huh? I thought the idea of environmentalism was to save all of Nature, including humans. How is that different from the idea of avoiding Global Climate Catastrophe? New slogan? "It's the biosphere, stupid!" I'm with you, Joseph: not just betting on but pushing for Earth Day 2010. Actually pushing for something long before, but if that doesn't work, then Earth Day, April 22 will have to do. John Muir's birthday+1. Can't stomach the last post. Edward! Finally we see all the people who have projected their own hopes and desires onto Obama being forced to confront the reality of his corporate-right centrism, so they will finally stop hero-worshipping and counting on a saviour... so they'll actually do it the only way it will work in this corporate country--by their own pot-beating and mass civil disobedience. Now you want to give them more false hope and put off the days of action for another 4 years? Please! Help our survival, don't hinder it. Huh? I thought the idea of environmentalism was to save all of Nature, including humans. How is that different from the idea of avoiding Global Climate Catastrophe?

New slogan? “It’s the biosphere, stupid!”

I’m with you, Joseph: not just betting on but pushing for Earth Day 2010. Actually pushing for something long before, but if that doesn’t work, then Earth Day, April 22 will have to do. John Muir’s birthday+1.

Can’t stomach the last post. Edward! Finally we see all the people who have projected their own hopes and desires onto Obama being forced to confront the reality of his corporate-right centrism, so they will finally stop hero-worshipping and counting on a saviour… so they’ll actually do it the only way it will work in this corporate country–by their own pot-beating and mass civil disobedience. Now you want to give them more false hope and put off the days of action for another 4 years? Please! Help our survival, don’t hinder it.

]]> By: Edward Greisch http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29317 Edward Greisch Sat, 07 Feb 2009 06:22:50 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29317 The ides of March 2009 [March 15]. This is wishful thinking as far as a GOOD bill is concerned. Nothing will be done about rip-offsets this year. The GOOD bill won't be signed until the ides of March [March 16] 2013, in Obama's second term when he can come out of the closet and show us his real self. The March 16, 2013 bill will have zero rip-offsets and will make coal fired power plants illegal by 2015, because this is what we need. The ides of March 2009 [March 15]. This is wishful thinking as far as a GOOD bill is concerned. Nothing will be done about rip-offsets this year. The GOOD bill won’t be signed until the ides of March [March 16] 2013, in Obama’s second term when he can come out of the closet and show us his real self. The March 16, 2013 bill will have zero rip-offsets and will make coal fired power plants illegal by 2015, because this is what we need.

]]> By: Karl http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29273 Karl Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:54:23 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29273 April 12th, 2010. About 11 months after signing an energy bill which will include decoupling and Markey's RES and energy efficiency standards among other things. April 12th, 2010. About 11 months after signing an energy bill which will include decoupling and Markey’s RES and energy efficiency standards among other things.

]]> By: Erik S.G. http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29262 Erik S.G. Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:33:14 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29262 July 4, 2010. Appropriate symbolism which moves off the narrower frame provided by April 22nd. July 4, 2010. Appropriate symbolism which moves off the narrower frame provided by April 22nd.

]]> By: JKDC http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29220 JKDC Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:50:23 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29220 Here's hoping your ad revenue allows you to keep the blog going by the time I collect the prize, Joe! Circle the date: Monday, October 1, 2012. A long ways away. Gonna need to get a major cap and trade law done before the end of his first term, but it'll take a handful of new Senators coming in January 2011 to help Obama make it happen. Even then it'll be bogged down until right before the next Presidential election. At that point the rip-offsets will be seen for what they are and will come down to a mere 12%. That's the good news. The bad news there's gonna be load of miffed folks in the world attending COPs 15, 16, 17 though... Here’s hoping your ad revenue allows you to keep the blog going by the time I collect the prize, Joe!

Circle the date: Monday, October 1, 2012. A long ways away. Gonna need to get a major cap and trade law done before the end of his first term, but it’ll take a handful of new Senators coming in January 2011 to help Obama make it happen. Even then it’ll be bogged down until right before the next Presidential election. At that point the rip-offsets will be seen for what they are and will come down to a mere 12%. That’s the good news.

The bad news there’s gonna be load of miffed folks in the world attending COPs 15, 16, 17 though…

]]> By: albert http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29214 albert Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:39:59 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29214 I'll pick August 29, 2010. The anniversary of Katrina's landfall in New Orleans. I hope it's much earlier. I wish I thought they would get something passed earlier, but the way things have been going.... I'll go all rosy on the tie-breaker though, and say 0%, just for fun. I’ll pick August 29, 2010. The anniversary of Katrina’s landfall in New Orleans. I hope it’s much earlier. I wish I thought they would get something passed earlier, but the way things have been going….

I’ll go all rosy on the tie-breaker though, and say 0%, just for fun.

]]> By: Brewster http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29207 Brewster Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:22:27 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29207 I'll pick March 31, 2010, for no particular reason... Off the topic, how many noticed on the Accuweather site that Mark Paquette, one of Inhofe's 650 "denier scientists" has posted a long article stating that he DOES believe in AGW... What are the odds that Inhofe will take him off the list? I’ll pick March 31, 2010, for no particular reason…

Off the topic, how many noticed on the Accuweather site that Mark Paquette, one of Inhofe’s 650 “denier scientists” has posted a long article stating that he DOES believe in AGW…

What are the odds that Inhofe will take him off the list?

]]> By: John McCormick http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29202 John McCormick Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:12:37 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29202 Assuming the Democratic Party holds on to its majority in the House and Senate in the 112th and 113th Congress, the multiple Senate Committee jurisdiction process will report out at least two bills that may or may not mirror the House version but no Senate legislation will be able to garner the 60+ votes needed for passage. If the Republicans pick up a surprising number of Senate seats in the 2010 election (due, in part to voter anger at a worsening economy) the prospect of Senate passage sinks below the horizon. If however, the Obama Administation led by Secretary Clinton and her CC envoy Todd Sterling are tasked to negotiate a mutually acceptable CC agreement with China, (one that sets limits and timetables) the legislative process will be swept along by that tidal wave of public acceptance of a US bilateral climate treaty with China. The Senate will get in line and President Obama, in his second term, will sign the House and Senate Conference Report on September 20, 2013. John Mccormick Assuming the Democratic Party holds on to its majority in the House and Senate in the 112th and 113th Congress, the multiple Senate Committee jurisdiction process will report out at least two bills that may or may not mirror the House version but no Senate legislation will be able to garner the 60+ votes needed for passage. If the Republicans pick up a surprising number of Senate seats in the 2010 election (due, in part to voter anger at a worsening economy) the prospect of Senate passage sinks below the horizon.

If however, the Obama Administation led by Secretary Clinton and her CC envoy Todd Sterling are tasked to negotiate a mutually acceptable CC agreement with China, (one that sets limits and timetables) the legislative process will be swept along by that tidal wave of public acceptance of a US bilateral climate treaty with China. The Senate will get in line and President Obama, in his second term, will sign the House and Senate Conference Report on September 20, 2013.

John Mccormick

]]> By: Stuart http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29198 Stuart Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:51:52 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/05/contest-on-what-day-will-obama-sign-a-climate-bill/#comment-29198 May 1, 2010 (May Day - watch the heads explode as the commie plot unfolds!) May 1, 2010 (May Day – watch the heads explode as the commie plot unfolds!)

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