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	<title>Comments on: Power Shift:  A Day of youth climate protest in DC</title>
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		<title>By: Greg Robie</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/02/power-shift-a-day-of-youth-climate-protest-in-dc/#comment-31589</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Robie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a few days &quot;late,&quot; but worth sharing anyway, and doing so here.  &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://is.gd/m6R6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is link to a 5:52 minute YouTube video at Common Dreams&lt;/A&gt; that contains an insight/assertion by Naomi Wolf concerning &quot;fake&quot; protests that has relevance to these comments.  Besides supporting the concerns I&#039;ve raised in my comments (surprise NOT), I think it also pulls the curtain of motivated reasoning back a bit to expose now the feelings of those who have posted positively concerning the non-CD CD rally at the DC power plant to further critical examination; to considering how those feelings/motivated reasoning plays out, systemically, relative to an effective strategy for, in this case, weaning ourselves from coal generated electricity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a few days &#8220;late,&#8221; but worth sharing anyway, and doing so here.  <a HREF="http://is.gd/m6R6" rel="nofollow">Here is link to a 5:52 minute YouTube video at Common Dreams</a> that contains an insight/assertion by Naomi Wolf concerning &#8220;fake&#8221; protests that has relevance to these comments.  Besides supporting the concerns I&#8217;ve raised in my comments (surprise NOT), I think it also pulls the curtain of motivated reasoning back a bit to expose now the feelings of those who have posted positively concerning the non-CD CD rally at the DC power plant to further critical examination; to considering how those feelings/motivated reasoning plays out, systemically, relative to an effective strategy for, in this case, weaning ourselves from coal generated electricity.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Robie</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/02/power-shift-a-day-of-youth-climate-protest-in-dc/#comment-31412</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Robie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies to Bill McKibben for miss-associating his Tweet about the crowd size with his climate action speech at the DC coal plant.  I first saw this tweet just as he got off the Greenpeace Rolling Sunlight truck&#039;s stage.  My motivated reasoning caused me to make the association it did and fail to see the actual date of his Tweet.  

BTW, this is a good example of how motivated reasoning works and how hard it is not to do it.  Sorry again Bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies to Bill McKibben for miss-associating his Tweet about the crowd size with his climate action speech at the DC coal plant.  I first saw this tweet just as he got off the Greenpeace Rolling Sunlight truck&#8217;s stage.  My motivated reasoning caused me to make the association it did and fail to see the actual date of his Tweet.  </p>
<p>BTW, this is a good example of how motivated reasoning works and how hard it is not to do it.  Sorry again Bill.</p>
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		<title>By: kojiro vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>kojiro vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously Bill - where were the giant puppets?  Don&#039;t you guys know how to put on a real protest?  

Come on we&#039;ve got haiku, drummers, chanting and strange dancing.  Did you forget to call the giant puppet people?  Or the Gitmo detainees?  Gotta have them. 

CNN or MSNBC would have covered it but for the giant puppets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously Bill &#8211; where were the giant puppets?  Don&#8217;t you guys know how to put on a real protest?  </p>
<p>Come on we&#8217;ve got haiku, drummers, chanting and strange dancing.  Did you forget to call the giant puppet people?  Or the Gitmo detainees?  Gotta have them. </p>
<p>CNN or MSNBC would have covered it but for the giant puppets.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Robie</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/02/power-shift-a-day-of-youth-climate-protest-in-dc/#comment-31405</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Robie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

At the planned civil disobedience at the coal plant, Wendell Berry delivered a brilliantly brief speech that communicated that because he had tried everything else, it was time for CD.  Robert Kennedy shared about what his kids said to him as they drove down through the snow storm from NY to be arrested, James Hansen had to inference what the science is doing to the 350 number in his speech, because (perhaps) Bill McKibben had earlier lead the 350 chant as part of his speech and said nothing about what the trend in climate modeling science is doing to that number.  

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/31/hansen-et-al-we-must-phase-out-of-existing-coal-emissions-by-2030-and-stabilize-at-or-below-350-ppm/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;As Joe has blogged here&lt;/A&gt;, that trend more than suggests that the cap and trade approach, which is now the default approach to a politically expeditious means of achieving C02 reduction, is likely, while better than nothing, too little, too late.  

If I am getting the post  CD (NOT) strategy/affect correctly, such a ramped up feel-good &quot;baby steps&quot; approach to the &quot;hope&quot; that is being pursued (stabilizing the climate) is little more than motivated reasoning.  It feels like good thinking but it is not.

Reading Bill&#039;s comment last night after hearing his speech and &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/1264003670&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;his exaggerating twitter post after it&lt;/A&gt;, inspired this haiku:

when all ‘s said and done,
feeling hopeful, feeling right,
neither stops the night.

IMHO, whoever, and whenever the decision was made to not facilitate the planned CD, the failure to make that clear at the outset at Greenpeace’s Rolling Sunlight truck and stage made a ruse, not a success, out of this event (planned action).  Moving forward, a failure to forthrightly address such a perception will constitute a major vulnerability to future efforts.  

BTW, I had contemplated doing a solidarity action at the 370 Megawatt coal plant owned by Dynegy here in the mid-Hudson Valley that provides the electricity to my community.  I concluded it was both too late and too soon (as I knew too little; had no dialogue successful or otherwise to base an action on.  Given the ruse (or whatever) and the resulting media coverage, I am glad that I trusted my gut and reasoning.  Given what was (not) done at the DC coal plant I could not have made much sense of my action to a reporter, to say nothing of an editor.

Given your role at GWEN, I would value your critique of the context for a strategy I advocate at the following link.  I believe it realistically addresses the economic and environmental crises both concurrently and comprehensively.  http://is.gd/lJRy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>At the planned civil disobedience at the coal plant, Wendell Berry delivered a brilliantly brief speech that communicated that because he had tried everything else, it was time for CD.  Robert Kennedy shared about what his kids said to him as they drove down through the snow storm from NY to be arrested, James Hansen had to inference what the science is doing to the 350 number in his speech, because (perhaps) Bill McKibben had earlier lead the 350 chant as part of his speech and said nothing about what the trend in climate modeling science is doing to that number.  </p>
<p><a HREF="http://climateprogress.org/2008/10/31/hansen-et-al-we-must-phase-out-of-existing-coal-emissions-by-2030-and-stabilize-at-or-below-350-ppm/" rel="nofollow">As Joe has blogged here</a>, that trend more than suggests that the cap and trade approach, which is now the default approach to a politically expeditious means of achieving C02 reduction, is likely, while better than nothing, too little, too late.  </p>
<p>If I am getting the post  CD (NOT) strategy/affect correctly, such a ramped up feel-good &#8220;baby steps&#8221; approach to the &#8220;hope&#8221; that is being pursued (stabilizing the climate) is little more than motivated reasoning.  It feels like good thinking but it is not.</p>
<p>Reading Bill&#8217;s comment last night after hearing his speech and <a HREF="http://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/1264003670" rel="nofollow">his exaggerating twitter post after it</a>, inspired this haiku:</p>
<p>when all ‘s said and done,<br />
feeling hopeful, feeling right,<br />
neither stops the night.</p>
<p>IMHO, whoever, and whenever the decision was made to not facilitate the planned CD, the failure to make that clear at the outset at Greenpeace’s Rolling Sunlight truck and stage made a ruse, not a success, out of this event (planned action).  Moving forward, a failure to forthrightly address such a perception will constitute a major vulnerability to future efforts.  </p>
<p>BTW, I had contemplated doing a solidarity action at the 370 Megawatt coal plant owned by Dynegy here in the mid-Hudson Valley that provides the electricity to my community.  I concluded it was both too late and too soon (as I knew too little; had no dialogue successful or otherwise to base an action on.  Given the ruse (or whatever) and the resulting media coverage, I am glad that I trusted my gut and reasoning.  Given what was (not) done at the DC coal plant I could not have made much sense of my action to a reporter, to say nothing of an editor.</p>
<p>Given your role at GWEN, I would value your critique of the context for a strategy I advocate at the following link.  I believe it realistically addresses the economic and environmental crises both concurrently and comprehensively.  <a href="http://is.gd/lJRy" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/lJRy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to Bill McKibben and Wendell Berry for the brave and visionary letter they wrote to suggest this overdue act of civil disobedience.  Henry David Thoreau would have been a proud participant.

Having been there, along with thousands of others, I can assure readers of this blog of several things: 1)  As Bill says above, there were people of all ages involved, and, I would add, from all walks of life; 2)  The video posted above gives only a small glimpse of what was a very well organized and executed event (go to www.capitolclimateaction.org for more video, photos and news links); 3)  Actions such as this one are going to spread because Americans are finally waking up to the fact that accelerated climate change requires urgent attention, and that we must encourage our leaders to take bold action now!  (And it&#039;s not just because of a rapidly changing climate, but also because of peak oil, ocean acidification--and more--that we need to transition away from fossil fuels.)

Stay plugged into the network for more actions such as this one.  Then go. Experience shows that our elected officials find a path forward much more quickly when concerned citizens take to the streets to show the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to Bill McKibben and Wendell Berry for the brave and visionary letter they wrote to suggest this overdue act of civil disobedience.  Henry David Thoreau would have been a proud participant.</p>
<p>Having been there, along with thousands of others, I can assure readers of this blog of several things: 1)  As Bill says above, there were people of all ages involved, and, I would add, from all walks of life; 2)  The video posted above gives only a small glimpse of what was a very well organized and executed event (go to <a href="http://www.capitolclimateaction.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.capitolclimateaction.org</a> for more video, photos and news links); 3)  Actions such as this one are going to spread because Americans are finally waking up to the fact that accelerated climate change requires urgent attention, and that we must encourage our leaders to take bold action now!  (And it&#8217;s not just because of a rapidly changing climate, but also because of peak oil, ocean acidification&#8211;and more&#8211;that we need to transition away from fossil fuels.)</p>
<p>Stay plugged into the network for more actions such as this one.  Then go. Experience shows that our elected officials find a path forward much more quickly when concerned citizens take to the streets to show the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Gitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there at it was amazing, The protesters outnumbered the police and press, there were 4 entrences and they were all blocked. 
odd to have very hot days during the weekend and then have a hell of a snowstorm.
It was informative for me anyways, to meet other indigenous groups around turtle Island (north america) that all share the same story about the industries coming in and developing on or around First Nations Land (reservations).
It was the same sad stories of death and displacement, another wave of Genocide. 
It was empowering to meet a lot of young leaders who actually care about the earth and want to progessively do something about it.
Thank you everyone from the bottom of my heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there at it was amazing, The protesters outnumbered the police and press, there were 4 entrences and they were all blocked.<br />
odd to have very hot days during the weekend and then have a hell of a snowstorm.<br />
It was informative for me anyways, to meet other indigenous groups around turtle Island (north america) that all share the same story about the industries coming in and developing on or around First Nations Land (reservations).<br />
It was the same sad stories of death and displacement, another wave of Genocide.<br />
It was empowering to meet a lot of young leaders who actually care about the earth and want to progessively do something about it.<br />
Thank you everyone from the bottom of my heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A new day is dawning and thanks to all of the DC protesters - your courage and your persistent voice, we WILL see the light!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new day is dawning and thanks to all of the DC protesters &#8211; your courage and your persistent voice, we WILL see the light!</p>
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		<title>By: bill mckibben</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill mckibben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note to say thanks to all who helped yesterday. Despite the grousing above, there was in fact a huge turnout, of all ages, and both highly serious and highly fun. People actually enjoyed singing--especially since the Grammy-Award winning country singer Kathy Mattea was on hand both to risk arrest and to lead us. And we enjoyed the fact that our presence was enough to get Pelosi and Reid to agree to take the plant off coal. One down, 600 to go. If you see any of them, thank the truly cool young people who were there to carry the day, as well as the somewhat older generation that put their bodies on the line: Jim Hansen, Gus Speth, Terry Tempest Williams, Wendell Berry, Janisse Ray, and on and on. I left the whole weekend feeling more deeply hopeful than I&#039;ve felt in a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note to say thanks to all who helped yesterday. Despite the grousing above, there was in fact a huge turnout, of all ages, and both highly serious and highly fun. People actually enjoyed singing&#8211;especially since the Grammy-Award winning country singer Kathy Mattea was on hand both to risk arrest and to lead us. And we enjoyed the fact that our presence was enough to get Pelosi and Reid to agree to take the plant off coal. One down, 600 to go. If you see any of them, thank the truly cool young people who were there to carry the day, as well as the somewhat older generation that put their bodies on the line: Jim Hansen, Gus Speth, Terry Tempest Williams, Wendell Berry, Janisse Ray, and on and on. I left the whole weekend feeling more deeply hopeful than I&#8217;ve felt in a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, The AWG crowd redefined global warming to include any anomalous weather events to support their arguments, not the skeptics.

When you stop pointing the finger at weather as proof of global warming, we will be less likely to laugh at your snowed on parade.

Negative feedback at the societal level.

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  No, the AGW crowd has read the scientific literature and made the observations that say AGW helps make a variety of extreme weather events more likely or more intense.  We talk about those extreme events and especially the statistically measurable increase in them.  Now it is certainly true that one prediction of global warming theory is an increase in winter precipitation.  But in any case, one snow day is quite irrelevant either way.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, The AWG crowd redefined global warming to include any anomalous weather events to support their arguments, not the skeptics.</p>
<p>When you stop pointing the finger at weather as proof of global warming, we will be less likely to laugh at your snowed on parade.</p>
<p>Negative feedback at the societal level.</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  No, the AGW crowd has read the scientific literature and made the observations that say AGW helps make a variety of extreme weather events more likely or more intense.  We talk about those extreme events and especially the statistically measurable increase in them.  Now it is certainly true that one prediction of global warming theory is an increase in winter precipitation.  But in any case, one snow day is quite irrelevant either way.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Cimino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Cimino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when is the next power plant going to be shut down and for how long?
The Obama Plan is slow and Congress is too slow. The most telling dichotomy of the day was that CNN nor MSNBC did not showed any footage of the protest or the Powershift 09 Weekend, Unless I missed it. Appears the Republicans seized the media with a bent ideological conference on the other side of town. 
Did anyone catch any coverage on this? we did not see anything here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when is the next power plant going to be shut down and for how long?<br />
The Obama Plan is slow and Congress is too slow. The most telling dichotomy of the day was that CNN nor MSNBC did not showed any footage of the protest or the Powershift 09 Weekend, Unless I missed it. Appears the Republicans seized the media with a bent ideological conference on the other side of town.<br />
Did anyone catch any coverage on this? we did not see anything here.</p>
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