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	<title>Comments on: Must Read: The Economist slams &#8220;The illusion of clean coal&#8221; as Congress, Obama seek to revive Futuregen</title>
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		<title>By: Theodore</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/06/the-economist-illusion-clean-coal-futuregen-ccs-carbon-capture-storage-sequestration/#comment-33655</link>
		<dc:creator>Theodore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe some CCS R &amp; D must be subsidized before it can be required for all new coal-fired power plants. So go ahead, subsidize it a little (not too much) and then require it. Cost will become a non-problem. The higher it goes, the better solar energy will look in comparison. The CCS subsidy will be money well wasted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe some CCS R &amp; D must be subsidized before it can be required for all new coal-fired power plants. So go ahead, subsidize it a little (not too much) and then require it. Cost will become a non-problem. The higher it goes, the better solar energy will look in comparison. The CCS subsidy will be money well wasted.</p>
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		<title>By: Clean Coal Technology Program</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/06/the-economist-illusion-clean-coal-futuregen-ccs-carbon-capture-storage-sequestration/#comment-32388</link>
		<dc:creator>Clean Coal Technology Program</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nuclear power plant should demand the right to set monitoring sytem to lower dose and contaminated rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear power plant should demand the right to set monitoring sytem to lower dose and contaminated rate.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/06/the-economist-illusion-clean-coal-futuregen-ccs-carbon-capture-storage-sequestration/#comment-31663</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilmot McCutchen --- Another way to dispose of CO2 is via enhanced mineral weathering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilmot McCutchen &#8212; Another way to dispose of CO2 is via enhanced mineral weathering.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bullis</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/06/the-economist-illusion-clean-coal-futuregen-ccs-carbon-capture-storage-sequestration/#comment-31642</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bullis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 05:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pleased to note in the second bullet of the article, the argument is put forward that:

&quot;CCS is not just a potential waste of money. It might also create a false sense of security about climate change, while depriving potentially cheaper methods of cutting emissions of cash and attention-&quot;

A similar argument applies to plug-in electric cars.  That currently popular answer is also a potential waste of money that could mislead about the CO2 reduction benefits while delaying work on much more promising approaches.  Connecting cars through the utility grid to coal fired power plants is less effective than simply implementing hybrid technology as represented by the Prius, and that hybrid technology is well proven.  Then we could go much further by seriously addressing the aerodynamic effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pleased to note in the second bullet of the article, the argument is put forward that:</p>
<p>&#8220;CCS is not just a potential waste of money. It might also create a false sense of security about climate change, while depriving potentially cheaper methods of cutting emissions of cash and attention-&#8221;</p>
<p>A similar argument applies to plug-in electric cars.  That currently popular answer is also a potential waste of money that could mislead about the CO2 reduction benefits while delaying work on much more promising approaches.  Connecting cars through the utility grid to coal fired power plants is less effective than simply implementing hybrid technology as represented by the Prius, and that hybrid technology is well proven.  Then we could go much further by seriously addressing the aerodynamic effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilmot McCutchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilmot McCutchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what is the alternative to dumping CO2 underground?  The energy required to crack CO2 into CO is 5.5 eV, approximately the same as water electrolysis.  

However, cracking using fossil power creates more CO2 than it cracks.  So renewable power should be used to crack coal emissions.  That would provide a form of energy storage for wind and solar, which otherwise would go to waste because they are too intermittent to rely on for baseload power.  Carbon recycling, by simultaneous electrolysis (syntrolysis) of CO2 and H2O to produce syngas (CO + H2), could be the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is the alternative to dumping CO2 underground?  The energy required to crack CO2 into CO is 5.5 eV, approximately the same as water electrolysis.  </p>
<p>However, cracking using fossil power creates more CO2 than it cracks.  So renewable power should be used to crack coal emissions.  That would provide a form of energy storage for wind and solar, which otherwise would go to waste because they are too intermittent to rely on for baseload power.  Carbon recycling, by simultaneous electrolysis (syntrolysis) of CO2 and H2O to produce syngas (CO + H2), could be the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/06/the-economist-illusion-clean-coal-futuregen-ccs-carbon-capture-storage-sequestration/#comment-31636</link>
		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do remember that &#039;Mattoon is in the middle of Illinois&#039; and that Mr. Obama is also from Illinois. IIRC, he is also in favor of corn-produced ethanol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do remember that &#8216;Mattoon is in the middle of Illinois&#8217; and that Mr. Obama is also from Illinois. IIRC, he is also in favor of corn-produced ethanol.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burn algae.

Or put through an anaerobic digester and burn the biogas.

Algae can daily double in cell count, so should obtain very much higher weights per unit area.

Essentially caron neutral, but if paid enough (not much) the biogas could be sepearted into the burnable methane and the acid gas (almost pure CO2) which is then ready for sequestration.  Doing the latter it is carbon negative (which is good).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burn algae.</p>
<p>Or put through an anaerobic digester and burn the biogas.</p>
<p>Algae can daily double in cell count, so should obtain very much higher weights per unit area.</p>
<p>Essentially caron neutral, but if paid enough (not much) the biogas could be sepearted into the burnable methane and the acid gas (almost pure CO2) which is then ready for sequestration.  Doing the latter it is carbon negative (which is good).</p>
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		<title>By: Sasparilla</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/06/the-economist-illusion-clean-coal-futuregen-ccs-carbon-capture-storage-sequestration/#comment-31615</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasparilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m kinda hoping this thing gets built as it will give a glaring spotlight to all the real problems with CCS (no saying we don&#039;t know about that yet..) and political cover when dealing that section of the political spectrum (which covers Dems and Reps).  This is probably why the coal industry stopped pushing for this.

It should be pretty obvious very few CCS plants beyond this prototype will get built...its just too financially unsound.  But let them build this thing so everyone can see just how bad it is (and there&#039;s no wiggle room).

We just need Obama and the EPA to step up to the plate and say no new Coal plants without CCS from here on out.  Forget waiting on the stupid Cap and Trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kinda hoping this thing gets built as it will give a glaring spotlight to all the real problems with CCS (no saying we don&#8217;t know about that yet..) and political cover when dealing that section of the political spectrum (which covers Dems and Reps).  This is probably why the coal industry stopped pushing for this.</p>
<p>It should be pretty obvious very few CCS plants beyond this prototype will get built&#8230;its just too financially unsound.  But let them build this thing so everyone can see just how bad it is (and there&#8217;s no wiggle room).</p>
<p>We just need Obama and the EPA to step up to the plate and say no new Coal plants without CCS from here on out.  Forget waiting on the stupid Cap and Trade.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pauli</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/06/the-economist-illusion-clean-coal-futuregen-ccs-carbon-capture-storage-sequestration/#comment-31603</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Pauli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CCS is so random and out of control.   &quot;No problem - put it into some rocks&quot;  We are so gullible to think that digging a deep enough hole will solve any problem.

Any solution must be clearly defined and understandable by the average consumer.   It should not contain magic.  And should not have such a &quot;cross your fingers&quot; type of risk. 

We don&#039;t have time to learn from our mistakes.  And we can&#039;t wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCS is so random and out of control.   &#8220;No problem &#8211; put it into some rocks&#8221;  We are so gullible to think that digging a deep enough hole will solve any problem.</p>
<p>Any solution must be clearly defined and understandable by the average consumer.   It should not contain magic.  And should not have such a &#8220;cross your fingers&#8221; type of risk. </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have time to learn from our mistakes.  And we can&#8217;t wait.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gales set wind power record for Spain

Fierce winds push north-west Spain&#039;s wind farms to provide 40% of the country&#039;s electrical power
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/mar/06/spain-wind-power

The peak of 11,180mw of electricity supply came mid-morning yesterday, as fierce winds swept across much of north-west Spain, where most of the country&#039;s extensive wind farms are situated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gales set wind power record for Spain</p>
<p>Fierce winds push north-west Spain&#8217;s wind farms to provide 40% of the country&#8217;s electrical power<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/mar/06/spain-wind-power" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>environment/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>mar/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>06/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>spain-wind-power</a></p>
<p>The peak of 11,180mw of electricity supply came mid-morning yesterday, as fierce winds swept across much of north-west Spain, where most of the country&#8217;s extensive wind farms are situated.</p>
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