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		<title>By: HuhNeept</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/07/new-york-times-tom-friedman-indispensable-blog/#comment-38768</link>
		<dc:creator>HuhNeept</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent site this climateprogress.org nice to see you have what I am actually looking for here and this this post is exactly what I am interested in. I shall be pleased to become a regular visitor :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent site this climateprogress.org nice to see you have what I am actually looking for here and this this post is exactly what I am interested in. I shall be pleased to become a regular visitor <img src='http://climateprogress.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vemamasyted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vemamasyted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 14:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great site this climateprogress.org and I am really pleased to see you have what I am actually looking for here and this this post is exactly what I am interested in. I shall be pleased to become a regular visitor :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great site this climateprogress.org and I am really pleased to see you have what I am actually looking for here and this this post is exactly what I am interested in. I shall be pleased to become a regular visitor <img src='http://climateprogress.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mercer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chet

&quot; I want to know why there are those who believe that the whole global warming thing is a hoax. Who are these people and why do they think this way?&quot;

Here&#039;s a good place to start:

&quot;Why Climate Denialists are Blind to Facts and Reason: The Role of Ideology&quot;
by Johnny Rook

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/12/143145/743/173/513430

I have created a blog of my own, with a long article (now over 60 pages long) that seeks to expose the denier PR and fraud, while showing how much consensus there is.  I&#039;m a layman, so I use lots of quotes and links to articles and websites like this.  I think you might find it to be a decent springboard for what you&#039;re looking for.  That&#039;s been my intent, to steer people to real climate science websites and hopefully away from the nonsense that is so widespread on the internet.

http://energysolutionswecanbelievein.blogspot.com/2008/11/climate-change-and-disinformation.html

I also welcome any suggestions, criticism or encouragement about my blog from those who are more knowledgable.


Jack

&quot;Now, if only I could get my denier friends to read, this is where I would send them.&quot;

I agree.  I leave links to this site (and others, but none as much as this one) all over the internet.  One way to do that is to make comments on articles and blogs and direct readers to good sources like Climate Progress.

You might want to also get your denier friends to read the new book  &quot;The Carbon Age&quot; by Eric Roston.  It&#039;s a great read that explains in no uncertain terms what humans are doing to the natural short term carbon cycle.  Having read the book, one would be hard pressed to entertain any skeptic notions about natural cycles, or most of the other popular skeptic arguments.

Here&#039;s a quote from the book.

&quot;Humans have sped up the global carbon cycle at least one hundred times faster than usual, transforming the world into one that we eventually might not recognize as our own.
Manmade global warming is a geological aberration, nearly meteoric in speed. Human speed has crunched the geologic timescale in to half a century. Events that typically unfold over many thousands or millions of years have begun to occur within a human life span.&quot;

&quot;Life has always been driven by geology. The flow of carbon through living things entwines evolution with the inanimate forces of nature. But there is no evidence before now to suggest that biology has ever accelerated the long term carbon cycle onto a short term path. Nothing other than meteorites have changed geology as quickly as humanity. Industry is a powerful new path of interaction between life and geology.&quot;

&quot;In a short period of time, humanity has gone from an influential species, to the most powerful driver of evolutionary and geological change on the planet - more powerful than plate tectonics, silicate rock weathering, solar hiccups, or orbital perturbations. Some scientists, amateur astronomers, and Hollywood filmmakers look fearfully to the skies for civilization ending bolides. They should look inward. We are the meteor.
Industrial energy policy is a biogeochemical force and should be thought of as a cousin of earthquakes, volcanoes, pandemic disease, erosion and other phenomena that shape the face of the earth.&quot;

A little different from claims by  Arthur Robinson (of Oregon Petition infamy) that industrialization increases biodiversity and that the more CO2 we pump into the atmosphere the healthier the environment will be.

Here&#039;s the take home message, from the book, that cuts through much of the denier nonsense, at least for me.  It&#039;s what he  is referring to in regard to  accelerating the long term onto the short term carbon cycle.

It took 60 million years for coal to develop in the earth, by precipitating out of the short term carbon cycle, and being locked away in coal deposits and into the long term carbon cycle. Now we are releasing this 60 million year accumulation of carbon back into the atmosphere and thus, back into the short term carbon cycle, in 150-200 years, or a geological nanosecond. This is an unprecedented occurance, probably in the history of the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chet</p>
<p>&#8221; I want to know why there are those who believe that the whole global warming thing is a hoax. Who are these people and why do they think this way?&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good place to start:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why Climate Denialists are Blind to Facts and Reason: The Role of Ideology&#8221;<br />
by Johnny Rook</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/12/143145/743/173/513430" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>story/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2008/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>5/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>12/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>143145/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>743/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>173/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>513430</a></p>
<p>I have created a blog of my own, with a long article (now over 60 pages long) that seeks to expose the denier PR and fraud, while showing how much consensus there is.  I&#8217;m a layman, so I use lots of quotes and links to articles and websites like this.  I think you might find it to be a decent springboard for what you&#8217;re looking for.  That&#8217;s been my intent, to steer people to real climate science websites and hopefully away from the nonsense that is so widespread on the internet.</p>
<p><a href="http://energysolutionswecanbelievein.blogspot.com/2008/11/climate-change-and-disinformation.html" rel="nofollow">http://energysolutionswecanbelievein.blogspot.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2008/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>11/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>climate-change-and-disinformation.html</a></p>
<p>I also welcome any suggestions, criticism or encouragement about my blog from those who are more knowledgable.</p>
<p>Jack</p>
<p>&#8220;Now, if only I could get my denier friends to read, this is where I would send them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree.  I leave links to this site (and others, but none as much as this one) all over the internet.  One way to do that is to make comments on articles and blogs and direct readers to good sources like Climate Progress.</p>
<p>You might want to also get your denier friends to read the new book  &#8220;The Carbon Age&#8221; by Eric Roston.  It&#8217;s a great read that explains in no uncertain terms what humans are doing to the natural short term carbon cycle.  Having read the book, one would be hard pressed to entertain any skeptic notions about natural cycles, or most of the other popular skeptic arguments.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from the book.</p>
<p>&#8220;Humans have sped up the global carbon cycle at least one hundred times faster than usual, transforming the world into one that we eventually might not recognize as our own.<br />
Manmade global warming is a geological aberration, nearly meteoric in speed. Human speed has crunched the geologic timescale in to half a century. Events that typically unfold over many thousands or millions of years have begun to occur within a human life span.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Life has always been driven by geology. The flow of carbon through living things entwines evolution with the inanimate forces of nature. But there is no evidence before now to suggest that biology has ever accelerated the long term carbon cycle onto a short term path. Nothing other than meteorites have changed geology as quickly as humanity. Industry is a powerful new path of interaction between life and geology.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;In a short period of time, humanity has gone from an influential species, to the most powerful driver of evolutionary and geological change on the planet &#8211; more powerful than plate tectonics, silicate rock weathering, solar hiccups, or orbital perturbations. Some scientists, amateur astronomers, and Hollywood filmmakers look fearfully to the skies for civilization ending bolides. They should look inward. We are the meteor.<br />
Industrial energy policy is a biogeochemical force and should be thought of as a cousin of earthquakes, volcanoes, pandemic disease, erosion and other phenomena that shape the face of the earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>A little different from claims by  Arthur Robinson (of Oregon Petition infamy) that industrialization increases biodiversity and that the more CO2 we pump into the atmosphere the healthier the environment will be.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the take home message, from the book, that cuts through much of the denier nonsense, at least for me.  It&#8217;s what he  is referring to in regard to  accelerating the long term onto the short term carbon cycle.</p>
<p>It took 60 million years for coal to develop in the earth, by precipitating out of the short term carbon cycle, and being locked away in coal deposits and into the long term carbon cycle. Now we are releasing this 60 million year accumulation of carbon back into the atmosphere and thus, back into the short term carbon cycle, in 150-200 years, or a geological nanosecond. This is an unprecedented occurance, probably in the history of the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the Thomas Friedman piece is flooding your site with readers. You deserve them. Thank you for the invaluable work you do.

I was giddy to read an article in the times taking issue with &quot;the whole growth model. I did, however, take issue with Friedman&#039;s conclusion that &quot;We must have growth,&quot; even if it is of a different sort. I wrote a piece about it on my blog: http://drollerdrome.blogspot.com/2009/03/bedside-moment-with-thomas-friedman.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the Thomas Friedman piece is flooding your site with readers. You deserve them. Thank you for the invaluable work you do.</p>
<p>I was giddy to read an article in the times taking issue with &#8220;the whole growth model. I did, however, take issue with Friedman&#8217;s conclusion that &#8220;We must have growth,&#8221; even if it is of a different sort. I wrote a piece about it on my blog: <a href="http://drollerdrome.blogspot.com/2009/03/bedside-moment-with-thomas-friedman.html" rel="nofollow">http://drollerdrome.blogspot.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>03/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>bedside-moment-with-thomas-friedman.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Floyd Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all of you new visitors,

I&#039;ve only been reading ClimateProgress for about six months, but it&#039;s excellent and indispensable, just as Thomas Friedman says. Joe Romm &quot;gets it&quot; thoroughly, knows his stuff and writes well. 

Any criticisms? Only minor ones: some &quot;inside baseball&quot; that has more to do with long-running insider arguments than with building the case, and some whimsical names for opponents (denier-eqs?) that I find a bit distracting. 

But! This is a magnificent ongoing work, and the only regret we all have on discovering Joe and Climate Progress is that we didn&#039;t discover it sooner.

Floyd

PS Unlike on most blogs, read or at least scan the comments; they&#039;re often quite informative (excepting perhaps this one.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all of you new visitors,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only been reading ClimateProgress for about six months, but it&#8217;s excellent and indispensable, just as Thomas Friedman says. Joe Romm &#8220;gets it&#8221; thoroughly, knows his stuff and writes well. </p>
<p>Any criticisms? Only minor ones: some &#8220;inside baseball&#8221; that has more to do with long-running insider arguments than with building the case, and some whimsical names for opponents (denier-eqs?) that I find a bit distracting. </p>
<p>But! This is a magnificent ongoing work, and the only regret we all have on discovering Joe and Climate Progress is that we didn&#8217;t discover it sooner.</p>
<p>Floyd</p>
<p>PS Unlike on most blogs, read or at least scan the comments; they&#8217;re often quite informative (excepting perhaps this one.)</p>
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		<title>By: deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for your work -- nytimes articles lead me here.  now bookmarked!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for your work &#8212; nytimes articles lead me here.  now bookmarked!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Thomas Friedman!  This site is great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Thomas Friedman!  This site is great.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found you through a reference to Friedman&#039;s op-ed column from Sharon Astyk.  I have been reading through some of your older posts and really like your writing style.  You provide a great informational service with a quirky sense of humor -- a much needed combo for such difficult issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found you through a reference to Friedman&#8217;s op-ed column from Sharon Astyk.  I have been reading through some of your older posts and really like your writing style.  You provide a great informational service with a quirky sense of humor &#8212; a much needed combo for such difficult issues.</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>politics makes for strange bedfellows is a bad fit for our entrenchment. &quot;politics relegates good sense to pillow talk&quot; is more our speed, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>politics makes for strange bedfellows is a bad fit for our entrenchment. &#8220;politics relegates good sense to pillow talk&#8221; is more our speed, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Rolley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes Rolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Friedman may like Climate Progress, I wonder when John Podesta will join the club.  Ii looks like  scientist Romm is relegated to his own little corner of the world while Center for American Progress features &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/03/ccs_101.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Berlin and Sussman selling CCS&lt;/a&gt; and the path to clean coal.  Of course, these are the policy wonks from big time law firms so they must know... right? 

If I were a betting man, I would say Berlin / Sussman win the debate and that Hansen / Romm lose.  Coal stays in and we will pour $ Billions in to CCS to just feel like we are doing something, money that could be better spent on other things for more benefit. 

Wes Rolley: CoChair, EcoAction Committee, Green Party US

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  I think you are failing to draw the distinction between aggressively pursuing R&amp;D, and actually believing CCS will prove to be a massively scalable, affordable, and practical solution.  I have spoken to Berlin, Sussman, and Podesta many times on this subject -- and there really isn&#039;t the kind of difference opinion that you seem to think.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Friedman may like Climate Progress, I wonder when John Podesta will join the club.  Ii looks like  scientist Romm is relegated to his own little corner of the world while Center for American Progress features <a href="http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/03/ccs_101.html" rel="nofollow">Berlin and Sussman selling CCS</a> and the path to clean coal.  Of course, these are the policy wonks from big time law firms so they must know&#8230; right? </p>
<p>If I were a betting man, I would say Berlin / Sussman win the debate and that Hansen / Romm lose.  Coal stays in and we will pour $ Billions in to CCS to just feel like we are doing something, money that could be better spent on other things for more benefit. </p>
<p>Wes Rolley: CoChair, EcoAction Committee, Green Party US</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  I think you are failing to draw the distinction between aggressively pursuing R&#038;D, and actually believing CCS will prove to be a massively scalable, affordable, and practical solution.  I have spoken to Berlin, Sussman, and Podesta many times on this subject -- and there really isn't the kind of difference opinion that you seem to think.</em>]</p>
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