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		<title>By: wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the truth is there is no intelligent info to support this other than this commie need to bring the one world Gov into effect, there is however one reason if the world begins to warm, why this could be, but it takes a little smarts other than the kind most of these folks have, the more people that believe this, the bigger hell will become , and the greater  and hotter the fire will be....Global Warming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the truth is there is no intelligent info to support this other than this commie need to bring the one world Gov into effect, there is however one reason if the world begins to warm, why this could be, but it takes a little smarts other than the kind most of these folks have, the more people that believe this, the bigger hell will become , and the greater  and hotter the fire will be&#8230;.Global Warming</p>
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		<title>By: peynir</title>
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		<dc:creator>peynir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really very useful to follow a long-time see this as a blog here Thank you for your valuable information.</description>
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		<title>By: vanderleun</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanderleun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But they like the clown car and they fit in so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But they like the clown car and they fit in so well.</p>
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		<title>By: papertiger</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/12/gallup-poll-exaggeration-global-warming-deniers-media-messaging/#comment-33194</link>
		<dc:creator>papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know how much the compressive uplift  of the Loma Prieta earthquake raised the Santa Cruz mountain range on average?
 
The coastal range which lifts straight out of the sea was created by earthquake. Subduction of the Pacific plate as it slips under the North American plate to be exact. 
As each earthquake rocks California the coastal range gets a little bit higher. 
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical_state.php#california
There&#039;s just a partial list of 20th century quakes.
And you bunch of bozos are going on about millimeters of water by the end of 2100?
Climb out of the clown car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know how much the compressive uplift  of the Loma Prieta earthquake raised the Santa Cruz mountain range on average?</p>
<p>The coastal range which lifts straight out of the sea was created by earthquake. Subduction of the Pacific plate as it slips under the North American plate to be exact.<br />
As each earthquake rocks California the coastal range gets a little bit higher.<br />
<a href="http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/historical_state.php#california" rel="nofollow">http://earthquake.usgs.gov/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>regional/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>states/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>historical_state.php#california</a><br />
There&#8217;s just a partial list of 20th century quakes.<br />
And you bunch of bozos are going on about millimeters of water by the end of 2100?<br />
Climb out of the clown car.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pangolin, it has yet to happen unless you live in New Orleans, or southern Australia.  Or Argentina, where 1.5 million cattle have starved to death this season from drought.  Very, very soon it will happen everywhere, unfortunately.

And it will be interesting to see what will ensue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pangolin, it has yet to happen unless you live in New Orleans, or southern Australia.  Or Argentina, where 1.5 million cattle have starved to death this season from drought.  Very, very soon it will happen everywhere, unfortunately.</p>
<p>And it will be interesting to see what will ensue.</p>
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		<title>By: Pangolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pangolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A massive portion of the US economy is simply wasted on advertising driven &quot;consumer products.&quot; Broadcast media has paid the rent every month from day one with advertisements for cars, travel, various petroleum products and generalized &quot;shopping.&quot; 

The mainstream media is dependent upon fossil fuel revenue to operate. Accurate reporting on Climate Change directly challenges their revenue stream. They simply can not point out the lies of the deniers. They are PAID to promote those lies.

I feel that we are going to wait until events are deeply tragic before major Climate Change remediation becomes a priority on par with the US military budget. For most of us that means years of preparing, gathering tools, learning and distributing knowledge and prototyping methods. 

The Climate Change &quot;Pearl Harbor&quot; has yet to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A massive portion of the US economy is simply wasted on advertising driven &#8220;consumer products.&#8221; Broadcast media has paid the rent every month from day one with advertisements for cars, travel, various petroleum products and generalized &#8220;shopping.&#8221; </p>
<p>The mainstream media is dependent upon fossil fuel revenue to operate. Accurate reporting on Climate Change directly challenges their revenue stream. They simply can not point out the lies of the deniers. They are PAID to promote those lies.</p>
<p>I feel that we are going to wait until events are deeply tragic before major Climate Change remediation becomes a priority on par with the US military budget. For most of us that means years of preparing, gathering tools, learning and distributing knowledge and prototyping methods. </p>
<p>The Climate Change &#8220;Pearl Harbor&#8221; has yet to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K.  Here it is.  After two years of careful thought, I think I&#039;ve figured out why we haven&#039;t been able to react appropriately to this problem.  You could simply say it&#039;s a &#039;black swan&#039; event--incomprehensible to most folks.

Let me try to briefly explain.  None of our &#039;systems&#039; have evolved in such a way for us to &#039;know&#039; how to deal with the problem.  So, we struggle.

Start with the human brain.  As an infant, one has a sense of &#039;now.&#039;  As an adult, many of us have a longer sense of time scales, but these are good for no more than a few decades.  So, when we&#039;re told of some very dire consequences in 2100, it&#039;s hard to relate.  Add to this the fact that some people don&#039;t care about 2100 because they won&#039;t be around then, and they don&#039;t care about those who will.  Finally, in the brain compartment, you have the problem that human nature is not to learn by being told, but to learn by experience, hot stove-style--and that doesn&#039;t bode well here!

Moving on from the brain--one can think through the other &#039;systems&#039; we have, and consider how well they&#039;ve been &#039;designed&#039; to deal with a problem as massive and as gradual as anthropogenic climate disruption.  

Think about our legal system.  We&#039;ve developed, from experience, laws that exclude from free speech the right to shout &#039;Fire!&#039; in a crowded theatre.  Why?  Because we saw that people could get hurt in the panic that might ensue.  Now, s-l-o-w  d-o-w-n the clock from today&#039;s so-called &#039;internet time&#039; to something I&#039;ll call &#039;climate time.&#039;  Then picture a U.S. senator operating a full-time climate change denial shop out of his office.  Given the benefit of yet-to-be-seen experience, this would be made illegal very quickly.  But we can only hope that the ghost of climate future might visit Oklahoma to help Scrooge understand his wicked ways.

It grows late, and short comments rule, but I urge Joe, and fellow readers, to think through these other systems too (not that I&#039;m against them in any general way):  1) Our economy, wherein, to a large degree, corporations tell customers, through advertising, what they want--with a view towards maximizing next quarter&#039;s earnings (think GM);  2) Our government, wherein our elected officials, rather than lead, often look back to who it was that helped them get elected, or (especially in this case) what a naive, largely under-informed constituent seems to want.   And so on, and on...

What to do?  I agree with Joe, having concluded a while ago that, given the magnitude and under-appreciated urgency of the problem, there is only one person who can get things turned around quickly enough to give us decent odds of avoiding a future climate catastrophe, namely Obama.

Bottom line:  President Obama should go on national, prime-time television to carefully explain, with the proper blend of motivating fear and soothing hope, that we must, as a nation, declare war on manmade climate disruption.  His plan for how we can constructively deal with this problem, if done right, could unite us, while also stimulating the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K.  Here it is.  After two years of careful thought, I think I&#8217;ve figured out why we haven&#8217;t been able to react appropriately to this problem.  You could simply say it&#8217;s a &#8216;black swan&#8217; event&#8211;incomprehensible to most folks.</p>
<p>Let me try to briefly explain.  None of our &#8217;systems&#8217; have evolved in such a way for us to &#8216;know&#8217; how to deal with the problem.  So, we struggle.</p>
<p>Start with the human brain.  As an infant, one has a sense of &#8216;now.&#8217;  As an adult, many of us have a longer sense of time scales, but these are good for no more than a few decades.  So, when we&#8217;re told of some very dire consequences in 2100, it&#8217;s hard to relate.  Add to this the fact that some people don&#8217;t care about 2100 because they won&#8217;t be around then, and they don&#8217;t care about those who will.  Finally, in the brain compartment, you have the problem that human nature is not to learn by being told, but to learn by experience, hot stove-style&#8211;and that doesn&#8217;t bode well here!</p>
<p>Moving on from the brain&#8211;one can think through the other &#8217;systems&#8217; we have, and consider how well they&#8217;ve been &#8216;designed&#8217; to deal with a problem as massive and as gradual as anthropogenic climate disruption.  </p>
<p>Think about our legal system.  We&#8217;ve developed, from experience, laws that exclude from free speech the right to shout &#8216;Fire!&#8217; in a crowded theatre.  Why?  Because we saw that people could get hurt in the panic that might ensue.  Now, s-l-o-w  d-o-w-n the clock from today&#8217;s so-called &#8216;internet time&#8217; to something I&#8217;ll call &#8216;climate time.&#8217;  Then picture a U.S. senator operating a full-time climate change denial shop out of his office.  Given the benefit of yet-to-be-seen experience, this would be made illegal very quickly.  But we can only hope that the ghost of climate future might visit Oklahoma to help Scrooge understand his wicked ways.</p>
<p>It grows late, and short comments rule, but I urge Joe, and fellow readers, to think through these other systems too (not that I&#8217;m against them in any general way):  1) Our economy, wherein, to a large degree, corporations tell customers, through advertising, what they want&#8211;with a view towards maximizing next quarter&#8217;s earnings (think GM);  2) Our government, wherein our elected officials, rather than lead, often look back to who it was that helped them get elected, or (especially in this case) what a naive, largely under-informed constituent seems to want.   And so on, and on&#8230;</p>
<p>What to do?  I agree with Joe, having concluded a while ago that, given the magnitude and under-appreciated urgency of the problem, there is only one person who can get things turned around quickly enough to give us decent odds of avoiding a future climate catastrophe, namely Obama.</p>
<p>Bottom line:  President Obama should go on national, prime-time television to carefully explain, with the proper blend of motivating fear and soothing hope, that we must, as a nation, declare war on manmade climate disruption.  His plan for how we can constructively deal with this problem, if done right, could unite us, while also stimulating the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theory is somewhat falsified by the fact that people in other countries are more attuned to the real dangers of climate change, although, perhaps not.

Granting that politicians, oil companies, and deniers funded by them, have done their unholy best to discredit the science of climate change, I think there may be an increase in people who disbelieve, even in the face of mounting evidence, simply BECAUSE of the mounting evidence.  The predictions that are the most recent are so horrific, so monstrous, so soul-destroying to contemplate, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if it is leading more people to fiddle while Rome burns.

Particularly in America, where there is in addition, enormous guilt in the picture.  It&#039;s more likely that someone who lives with a smaller carbon footprint would recognize and condemn reckless burning of fossil fuel than someone who can hardly imagine living a more modest and sustainable lifestyle having indulged in it for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theory is somewhat falsified by the fact that people in other countries are more attuned to the real dangers of climate change, although, perhaps not.</p>
<p>Granting that politicians, oil companies, and deniers funded by them, have done their unholy best to discredit the science of climate change, I think there may be an increase in people who disbelieve, even in the face of mounting evidence, simply BECAUSE of the mounting evidence.  The predictions that are the most recent are so horrific, so monstrous, so soul-destroying to contemplate, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it is leading more people to fiddle while Rome burns.</p>
<p>Particularly in America, where there is in addition, enormous guilt in the picture.  It&#8217;s more likely that someone who lives with a smaller carbon footprint would recognize and condemn reckless burning of fossil fuel than someone who can hardly imagine living a more modest and sustainable lifestyle having indulged in it for years.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelHauber</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelHauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an obvious connection between GISS temp trends for USA and the results of the Gallop poll.  The previous peak in skepticism was 2004 which was also a cool year for USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an obvious connection between GISS temp trends for USA and the results of the Gallop poll.  The previous peak in skepticism was 2004 which was also a cool year for USA.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Piers</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/12/gallup-poll-exaggeration-global-warming-deniers-media-messaging/#comment-32271</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth Piers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am afraid that we are going to do nothing about climate change that will be of any use whatsoever - for many reasons. We have a gassy fatbag on the airwaves with an audience of 20 million non-thinkers who constantly hear that climate change is a hoax. We have GOP congressmen and senators who know nothing of science going around saying climate change is a political conspiracy of the left. And admitting that it was a serious issue would require that we change our behavior. Denial is so much easier and convenient. Most climate scientists are far too cauatious in saying that the most recent findings of IPCC are both far too conservative and already out of date. And the rest of the scientists, other than perhaps a few of us who are mainly educators, are much too busy with their research specialties to get involved in a discussion outside of their specialty. Yesterday my dentist - a former student of mine and an intelligent man - asked me what I thought of climate change (I have been teaching about climate and other sustainability issues for many years). I told him that I thought that we were screwed and that the planet was likely to roast. He was very surprised and asked me why. After explaining the basics of the science and evidence of climate change he seemed shocked, saying that nothing he had read (which is mainly media reports and commentaries by the skeptics) suggested that the scientific climate community is about 99-1 convinced that climate chnage is an impending disaster. So even though we have very little time to come to any action that might be meaningful, I am fearful and quite convinced that we will just fritter away that time as well. Probably in fewer than 30 years the great human depopulation will begin. 
Ken Piers
Grand Rapids, MI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am afraid that we are going to do nothing about climate change that will be of any use whatsoever &#8211; for many reasons. We have a gassy fatbag on the airwaves with an audience of 20 million non-thinkers who constantly hear that climate change is a hoax. We have GOP congressmen and senators who know nothing of science going around saying climate change is a political conspiracy of the left. And admitting that it was a serious issue would require that we change our behavior. Denial is so much easier and convenient. Most climate scientists are far too cauatious in saying that the most recent findings of IPCC are both far too conservative and already out of date. And the rest of the scientists, other than perhaps a few of us who are mainly educators, are much too busy with their research specialties to get involved in a discussion outside of their specialty. Yesterday my dentist &#8211; a former student of mine and an intelligent man &#8211; asked me what I thought of climate change (I have been teaching about climate and other sustainability issues for many years). I told him that I thought that we were screwed and that the planet was likely to roast. He was very surprised and asked me why. After explaining the basics of the science and evidence of climate change he seemed shocked, saying that nothing he had read (which is mainly media reports and commentaries by the skeptics) suggested that the scientific climate community is about 99-1 convinced that climate chnage is an impending disaster. So even though we have very little time to come to any action that might be meaningful, I am fearful and quite convinced that we will just fritter away that time as well. Probably in fewer than 30 years the great human depopulation will begin.<br />
Ken Piers<br />
Grand Rapids, MI</p>
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