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		<title>By: Phillip Huggan</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/12/what-are-some-questions-and-issues-you-want-climate-progress-to-address/#comment-39282</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Huggan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Phillip Huggan Says: 
March 14th, 2009 at 2:01 pm...
...1) Himalayas meltaway (will cost $1.5T/yr if it renders China/India GDP flat)&quot;

Update.  Desalinated sea water cost about $1/m^3 and about as much to transport (uphill I assume) inland.  So if freshwater use originating from Himalayan meltwater will be one trillion m^3 annually, that is maybe $1-2T annual increased costs if the Himalayas melt.  This has to be 75% likely by 2200 under business as usual.  The are many other costs but also many prospective tech innovations.  Depending on how you discount time my March 14th estimate is about 3x too high.  This is assuming greatly increased investment in water saving and water desalination technologies and assumes no loss of life or economic activity when Himalayan water is replaced by sea water.
Still cheaper not to melt world glaciers in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Phillip Huggan Says:<br />
March 14th, 2009 at 2:01 pm&#8230;<br />
&#8230;1) Himalayas meltaway (will cost $1.5T/yr if it renders China/India GDP flat)&#8221;</p>
<p>Update.  Desalinated sea water cost about $1/m^3 and about as much to transport (uphill I assume) inland.  So if freshwater use originating from Himalayan meltwater will be one trillion m^3 annually, that is maybe $1-2T annual increased costs if the Himalayas melt.  This has to be 75% likely by 2200 under business as usual.  The are many other costs but also many prospective tech innovations.  Depending on how you discount time my March 14th estimate is about 3x too high.  This is assuming greatly increased investment in water saving and water desalination technologies and assumes no loss of life or economic activity when Himalayan water is replaced by sea water.<br />
Still cheaper not to melt world glaciers in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sasmor</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/12/what-are-some-questions-and-issues-you-want-climate-progress-to-address/#comment-32656</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sasmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

Thanks for your excellent talk at the Museum of Natural History last Thursday.

You said at that talk that by 2100, climate change will be the only issue of today that people will care about.  You also predicted that very rapid change would not occur until we witness some sort of catastrophe.

Please address in your blog:
How could we rally together the spiritual energy that will drive major action, now, in advance of catastrophe?
What events or actions by young people or by any people who care might transform the present political climate?
How could the internet help them?

Thank you for your writing and for your advocacy for rapid action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Thanks for your excellent talk at the Museum of Natural History last Thursday.</p>
<p>You said at that talk that by 2100, climate change will be the only issue of today that people will care about.  You also predicted that very rapid change would not occur until we witness some sort of catastrophe.</p>
<p>Please address in your blog:<br />
How could we rally together the spiritual energy that will drive major action, now, in advance of catastrophe?<br />
What events or actions by young people or by any people who care might transform the present political climate?<br />
How could the internet help them?</p>
<p>Thank you for your writing and for your advocacy for rapid action.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Risser</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/12/what-are-some-questions-and-issues-you-want-climate-progress-to-address/#comment-32584</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Risser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) More information on Feed-In Tariffs.  Specifically, how and where they got off the ground in the United States.

2) Nuclear - the problems with and why so many foreign countries seem interested/excited in pursuing this option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) More information on Feed-In Tariffs.  Specifically, how and where they got off the ground in the United States.</p>
<p>2) Nuclear &#8211; the problems with and why so many foreign countries seem interested/excited in pursuing this option.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/12/what-are-some-questions-and-issues-you-want-climate-progress-to-address/#comment-32539</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Globalization/Protectionism and Community - their relation to a sustainable paradigm and CO2 emissions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Globalization/Protectionism and Community &#8211; their relation to a sustainable paradigm and CO2 emissions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Huggan</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/12/what-are-some-questions-and-issues-you-want-climate-progress-to-address/#comment-32532</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Huggan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now I&#039;m trying to cost future AGW effects to get an idea for ideal carbon price/cap.
For example, the property exposure of cities to 1/100 yr floods will rise from $3T now to $35T in 2070, mainly because of AGW.  Ignoring discounting this will be a $320B annual.
Other cost estimates may not have been estimated for:
1) Himalayas meltaway (will cost $1.5T/yr if it renders China/India GDP flat)
2) % farmland exposed to sea level rise.
3) Annual harvest lost to increased extreme weather events.
4) Ocean acidification effect (kills food chain base) on long-term circulation.
5) Ocean temp rise &quot;&quot; &quot;&quot; &quot;&quot; &quot;&quot;...
6) Effect of new ocean dead-zones &quot;&quot; &quot;&quot; &quot;&quot; &quot;&quot;....
7) Melting glaciers/ice-caps on  &quot;&quot; &quot;&quot; &quot;&quot; &quot;&quot;....
8) Crop losses from misplanted land (due to climate volatility).
9) Crop gains from increased CO2.
10) AGW-ed increased disease rates.
11) Cost of major glacier sudden losses (Greenland, W.Antarctic)
12) Cost dwindling water/food resource wars.

Which of these cost more than $1T/yr in the future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now I&#8217;m trying to cost future AGW effects to get an idea for ideal carbon price/cap.<br />
For example, the property exposure of cities to 1/100 yr floods will rise from $3T now to $35T in 2070, mainly because of AGW.  Ignoring discounting this will be a $320B annual.<br />
Other cost estimates may not have been estimated for:<br />
1) Himalayas meltaway (will cost $1.5T/yr if it renders China/India GDP flat)<br />
2) % farmland exposed to sea level rise.<br />
3) Annual harvest lost to increased extreme weather events.<br />
4) Ocean acidification effect (kills food chain base) on long-term circulation.<br />
5) Ocean temp rise &#8220;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221;&#8230;<br />
6) Effect of new ocean dead-zones &#8220;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221;&#8230;.<br />
7) Melting glaciers/ice-caps on  &#8220;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221; &#8220;&#8221;&#8230;.<br />
 <img src='http://climateprogress.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Crop losses from misplanted land (due to climate volatility).<br />
9) Crop gains from increased CO2.<br />
10) AGW-ed increased disease rates.<br />
11) Cost of major glacier sudden losses (Greenland, W.Antarctic)<br />
12) Cost dwindling water/food resource wars.</p>
<p>Which of these cost more than $1T/yr in the future?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Gunther</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/12/what-are-some-questions-and-issues-you-want-climate-progress-to-address/#comment-32523</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Gunther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe:

You are to be congratulated for the number of suggestions here; please take it as proof of the value and importance of Climate Progress! I join others in thanking you for your work.

I agree with Bob Wallace about creating a section of CP that is a resource, but I think there are already resources out their for issues such dealing with denier talking points (including so many of your original posts...people should also check out Peter Sinclair&#039;s You Tube Channel on the &quot;Denier Crock of the Week&quot;). 

What I would like to see is an evolving wedge analysis - as more information is available you revise and build this section to clarify what experts are saying about the potential for various wedges to grow. While Pacala and Socolow identified options that &quot;can save a billion tons by 2050,&quot; I think what is most important is &quot;what options can be &#039;multiple wedges.&#039;&quot; Certainly the recent work of the Mackenzie Global Institute puts energy efficiency at the 3-5 wedge size. Is Gore&#039;s goal of 100% carbon free electricity in 10 years realistic...the ACP analysis has some issues addressed, but not others (interstate transmission siting, among others)

As the information develops, this section of CP would be revised.  I&#039;d go for more of a &quot;managed wiki.&quot; My experience with wiki&#039;s is that many edits and editions make them harder and harder to use as the number of pages proliferate. You could solicit information from your readers in a form that could be easy for you to add.

This is a big piece, I know, but it seems important to policy and to &quot;hope mongering&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe:</p>
<p>You are to be congratulated for the number of suggestions here; please take it as proof of the value and importance of Climate Progress! I join others in thanking you for your work.</p>
<p>I agree with Bob Wallace about creating a section of CP that is a resource, but I think there are already resources out their for issues such dealing with denier talking points (including so many of your original posts&#8230;people should also check out Peter Sinclair&#8217;s You Tube Channel on the &#8220;Denier Crock of the Week&#8221;). </p>
<p>What I would like to see is an evolving wedge analysis &#8211; as more information is available you revise and build this section to clarify what experts are saying about the potential for various wedges to grow. While Pacala and Socolow identified options that &#8220;can save a billion tons by 2050,&#8221; I think what is most important is &#8220;what options can be &#8216;multiple wedges.&#8217;&#8221; Certainly the recent work of the Mackenzie Global Institute puts energy efficiency at the 3-5 wedge size. Is Gore&#8217;s goal of 100% carbon free electricity in 10 years realistic&#8230;the ACP analysis has some issues addressed, but not others (interstate transmission siting, among others)</p>
<p>As the information develops, this section of CP would be revised.  I&#8217;d go for more of a &#8220;managed wiki.&#8221; My experience with wiki&#8217;s is that many edits and editions make them harder and harder to use as the number of pages proliferate. You could solicit information from your readers in a form that could be easy for you to add.</p>
<p>This is a big piece, I know, but it seems important to policy and to &#8220;hope mongering&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Applin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Applin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The physics of ocean temperature, since the ocean temperature is increasing...how much energy does that take over air temperature and seasonal axis shift as the mass from Greenland and the Antarctic distribute around the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The physics of ocean temperature, since the ocean temperature is increasing&#8230;how much energy does that take over air temperature and seasonal axis shift as the mass from Greenland and the Antarctic distribute around the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/12/what-are-some-questions-and-issues-you-want-climate-progress-to-address/#comment-32518</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smart grid.  The use of demand management to create virtual electricity storage is essential to expand the use of wind and PV.  Otherwise, solar-thermal-electric is the only viable renewable source.  In keeping with the theme here of what could we do now, as opposed to what might be possible in the future, this ranks as a core climate solution that we must move ahead with rapidly.  No other way of storing electricity is viable on a large scale.  (Pumped hydro is viable, and is in use, and its use could be expanded some, but there are limited sites available.)

A recent technology review article on this was excellent:

http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21747/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart grid.  The use of demand management to create virtual electricity storage is essential to expand the use of wind and PV.  Otherwise, solar-thermal-electric is the only viable renewable source.  In keeping with the theme here of what could we do now, as opposed to what might be possible in the future, this ranks as a core climate solution that we must move ahead with rapidly.  No other way of storing electricity is viable on a large scale.  (Pumped hydro is viable, and is in use, and its use could be expanded some, but there are limited sites available.)</p>
<p>A recent technology review article on this was excellent:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21747/" rel="nofollow">http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21747/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pangolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pangolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of Bob&#039;s WIKI. If you used a combination fractal model with controls like Google:Earth has it could get the levels of simplicity:complexity wanted on one apparent page. Using node # references like Energy Bulletin would make it easy to quote. 

The surface explanation would be basic issues and statements. Hit the magnification button at any point and the center of the screen or cursor point expands to the level of complexity desired. Using the word &quot;biochar&quot; as an example it might not be referenced at all on the face page, appear on the second level as an expansion of carbon sequestration, have a section on it&#039;s own still deeper and a forum and bibliography at the basement level. 

Ok, a bit much for this blog but maybe somebody from Google is reading this. Frankly I think we have all the know-how we need but access and understanding is the missing ingredient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of Bob&#8217;s WIKI. If you used a combination fractal model with controls like Google:Earth has it could get the levels of simplicity:complexity wanted on one apparent page. Using node # references like Energy Bulletin would make it easy to quote. </p>
<p>The surface explanation would be basic issues and statements. Hit the magnification button at any point and the center of the screen or cursor point expands to the level of complexity desired. Using the word &#8220;biochar&#8221; as an example it might not be referenced at all on the face page, appear on the second level as an expansion of carbon sequestration, have a section on it&#8217;s own still deeper and a forum and bibliography at the basement level. </p>
<p>Ok, a bit much for this blog but maybe somebody from Google is reading this. Frankly I think we have all the know-how we need but access and understanding is the missing ingredient.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Wallace</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/12/what-are-some-questions-and-issues-you-want-climate-progress-to-address/#comment-32503</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I second Bob Wallace’s suggestion of wiki format to organize sticky information. especially regarding technical issues. To make an impact on policy, it should be something written at a level that would be accessible to ordinary readers. Lots of science for dummies.&quot;

(Yes, I&#039;m pimping my idea.  ;o)

It needs to be written on at least three levels.  

It needs to be written at an elementary school level - ten year olds should be able to understand the world in which they are going to be living.  They are going to be much more hurt by inaction or improper action than are us in the latter years of our lives.

It needs to be written for the general public - understandable by someone with a high school education.  But it should not be dumbed down for them.  Leave in the real meat but write it with a minimum of technical terms and give good links to explain more complex concepts.

It needs to be written for people with higher levels of education, especially those with background in the specific areas of discussion - the people who are most capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff.  We need these people with specialized skills and knowledge to discuss ideas and provide a reality filter to ideas that might sound good to the rest of us but are in some way flawed.

Discussion at this latter level would provide a place for inter discipline interaction.  A place for chemists to talk to economists.  A few good science teachers could translate the more complex discussions for the rest of us.

Look at each of the topics suggested above.  We&#039;ve got everything from population levels to biochar to desalinization to clean coal.

Where does one now go to learn the latest state of each issue?  

Where is the reliable site that one can use for decision making?  Be that person a politician, reporter, or concerned citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I second Bob Wallace’s suggestion of wiki format to organize sticky information. especially regarding technical issues. To make an impact on policy, it should be something written at a level that would be accessible to ordinary readers. Lots of science for dummies.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Yes, I&#8217;m pimping my idea.  ;o)</p>
<p>It needs to be written on at least three levels.  </p>
<p>It needs to be written at an elementary school level &#8211; ten year olds should be able to understand the world in which they are going to be living.  They are going to be much more hurt by inaction or improper action than are us in the latter years of our lives.</p>
<p>It needs to be written for the general public &#8211; understandable by someone with a high school education.  But it should not be dumbed down for them.  Leave in the real meat but write it with a minimum of technical terms and give good links to explain more complex concepts.</p>
<p>It needs to be written for people with higher levels of education, especially those with background in the specific areas of discussion &#8211; the people who are most capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff.  We need these people with specialized skills and knowledge to discuss ideas and provide a reality filter to ideas that might sound good to the rest of us but are in some way flawed.</p>
<p>Discussion at this latter level would provide a place for inter discipline interaction.  A place for chemists to talk to economists.  A few good science teachers could translate the more complex discussions for the rest of us.</p>
<p>Look at each of the topics suggested above.  We&#8217;ve got everything from population levels to biochar to desalinization to clean coal.</p>
<p>Where does one now go to learn the latest state of each issue?  </p>
<p>Where is the reliable site that one can use for decision making?  Be that person a politician, reporter, or concerned citizen.</p>
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