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	<title>Comments on: House GOP assail offsets as climate boondoggle</title>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/17/house-gop-assail-offsets-as-climate-boondoggle/#comment-33380</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darn!  Can&#039;t we please learn our lesson from the financial meltdown we&#039;ve been through?  Talk about the age of stupid!  Let&#039;s try to lay it out here...

1) Uhm,    this     is      your      price     of     gasoline     now     $1.89
2) This is your price of gasoline with an added $2.00 federal tax: $3.89

Question:  Are you more likely to buy a fuel efficient car with # 1 or 2?

Instead, we will have ex-AIG execs with steel-clad bonuses putting together a system whereby the new price of gas will be $1.89 per gallon x a function of how much they get paid should gasoline consumption decline, plus umpteen additional functions that only they will understand.  

It will look something like this:  New price of gasoline in 2010 = $1.89 x 3.14 x (1/3 NP*G) + AIG iron-clad bonus(ICB) + cap x (CO2 - 2009CO2) / price of oil + ExxonMobil ICB + 2 x (#.^@%).  So...gas will cost ~$?.??

OK, Now, given THAT answer, how likely are you to buy an efficient car?

As Einstein once said, always keep things as simple as possible...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darn!  Can&#8217;t we please learn our lesson from the financial meltdown we&#8217;ve been through?  Talk about the age of stupid!  Let&#8217;s try to lay it out here&#8230;</p>
<p>1) Uhm,    this     is      your      price     of     gasoline     now     $1.89<br />
2) This is your price of gasoline with an added $2.00 federal tax: $3.89</p>
<p>Question:  Are you more likely to buy a fuel efficient car with # 1 or 2?</p>
<p>Instead, we will have ex-AIG execs with steel-clad bonuses putting together a system whereby the new price of gas will be $1.89 per gallon x a function of how much they get paid should gasoline consumption decline, plus umpteen additional functions that only they will understand.  </p>
<p>It will look something like this:  New price of gasoline in 2010 = $1.89 x 3.14 x (1/3 NP*G) + AIG iron-clad bonus(ICB) + cap x (CO2 &#8211; 2009CO2) / price of oil + ExxonMobil ICB + 2 x (#.^@%).  So&#8230;gas will cost ~$?.??</p>
<p>OK, Now, given THAT answer, how likely are you to buy an efficient car?</p>
<p>As Einstein once said, always keep things as simple as possible&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/17/house-gop-assail-offsets-as-climate-boondoggle/#comment-33337</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some places people get rip-offsets for planting trees.

I&#039;m in favor of planting trees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some places people get rip-offsets for planting trees.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in favor of planting trees.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pauli</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/17/house-gop-assail-offsets-as-climate-boondoggle/#comment-33306</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Pauli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hard to read many words after &quot;GOP assails...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to read many words after &#8220;GOP assails&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/17/house-gop-assail-offsets-as-climate-boondoggle/#comment-33283</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harrier wrote: &quot;No matter how we cap-and-trade, if the government mandates increasingly higher percentages of our national electricity come from renewable sources, that leaves less power generated by coal and oil, and therefore less emissions.&quot;

Not so.  Under current SO2 cap and trade regulations, all of the permits to pollute are granted to existing emitters.  (Mostly the large coal plants.)  They continue to receive those permits even if they reduce emissions or stop operating entirely.  They then sell those permits to others who continue to emit.  We must not repeat this approach when we cap CO2.

Under a cap and trade scenario, the only way to reduce actual emissions is to reduce the number of permits in circulation.  There is a major effort underway to ensure that when renewable energy is added to the grid, reducing the amount of fossil fuel burned, there is a commensurate reduction in available permits.  That approach will get us what we know we need -- more renewable energy and less CO2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harrier wrote: &#8220;No matter how we cap-and-trade, if the government mandates increasingly higher percentages of our national electricity come from renewable sources, that leaves less power generated by coal and oil, and therefore less emissions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not so.  Under current SO2 cap and trade regulations, all of the permits to pollute are granted to existing emitters.  (Mostly the large coal plants.)  They continue to receive those permits even if they reduce emissions or stop operating entirely.  They then sell those permits to others who continue to emit.  We must not repeat this approach when we cap CO2.</p>
<p>Under a cap and trade scenario, the only way to reduce actual emissions is to reduce the number of permits in circulation.  There is a major effort underway to ensure that when renewable energy is added to the grid, reducing the amount of fossil fuel burned, there is a commensurate reduction in available permits.  That approach will get us what we know we need &#8212; more renewable energy and less CO2.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrier</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/17/house-gop-assail-offsets-as-climate-boondoggle/#comment-33265</link>
		<dc:creator>Harrier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like renewable energy mandates are a surer way to reduce emissions than this hypothetical carbon market.  No matter how we cap-and-trade, if the government mandates increasingly higher percentages of our national electricity come from renewable sources, that leaves less power generated by coal and oil, and therefore less emissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like renewable energy mandates are a surer way to reduce emissions than this hypothetical carbon market.  No matter how we cap-and-trade, if the government mandates increasingly higher percentages of our national electricity come from renewable sources, that leaves less power generated by coal and oil, and therefore less emissions.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/17/house-gop-assail-offsets-as-climate-boondoggle/#comment-33253</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Car industry is toast...

Hybrid car sales go from 60 to 0 at breakneck speed
&quot;The gas-electric vehicles are piling up on dealers&#039; lots as anxiety over gasoline prices evaporates. But more hybrid models are on the way.&quot;
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hybrid17-2009mar17,0,6682265.story?track=rss</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Car industry is toast&#8230;</p>
<p>Hybrid car sales go from 60 to 0 at breakneck speed<br />
&#8220;The gas-electric vehicles are piling up on dealers&#8217; lots as anxiety over gasoline prices evaporates. But more hybrid models are on the way.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hybrid17-2009mar17,0,6682265.story?track=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>business/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>la-fi-hybrid17-2009mar17,0,6682265.story?track=rss</a></p>
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		<title>By: Philip H.</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/17/house-gop-assail-offsets-as-climate-boondoggle/#comment-33230</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, the Republican tendency to kill what they don&#039;t like or understand without offering a real alternative . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, the Republican tendency to kill what they don&#8217;t like or understand without offering a real alternative . . . .</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/17/house-gop-assail-offsets-as-climate-boondoggle/#comment-33224</link>
		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they&#039;re also playing &quot;consumer champions&quot; for 2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they&#8217;re also playing &#8220;consumer champions&#8221; for 2010</p>
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