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		<title>By: bocleahpry</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/18/shell-shocker-once-green-oil-company-guts-renewables-effort/#comment-152709</link>
		<dc:creator>bocleahpry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gaelkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaelkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: corkyjower</title>
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		<dc:creator>corkyjower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rockwellca</title>
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		<dc:creator>rockwellca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: macedeal</title>
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		<dc:creator>macedeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: LightBearer</title>
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		<dc:creator>LightBearer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw CRUDE today.  Brilliant film, and I won&#039;t be buying Chevron&#039;s gas EVER AGAIN.  I encourage everyone else to do the same.  We vote everytime we open our wallets or swipe our credit cards, and it is easy to feel helpless, but the fact remains that small changes have large aggregate effects.  So do your part.  Only buy green cleaning products, including toilet paper that is 100% recycled.  If people can&#039;t get the horror of cutting down trees to wipe their ass, they are in some sorry shape.  Make no mistake, the Earth is going to PURGE us.  We are greedy selfish bastards and we can point the finger and blame, but we need to take a hard look at what we use and consume and are doing.  Without a concerted effort to use less, our species is going to slam into a brick wall that much sooner.  The greed, corruption, and lies are all going to be dealt with, and in the end, all of the so-called wealth of those at the top is going to be worthless.  Picture famine, disease for which there is no treatment, flood, fire, and the violence that people are going to do to each other in this state of profound chaos and you start to get a glimpse of what is coming....not in 50 years....not in 10 years....within the next two.  As it begins to get really crazy, see it as the new beginning, not the end.  Peace and love to all of my brothers and sisters even those who are selfish and destructive, for we are ONE, and I pray for the collective awakening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw CRUDE today.  Brilliant film, and I won&#8217;t be buying Chevron&#8217;s gas EVER AGAIN.  I encourage everyone else to do the same.  We vote everytime we open our wallets or swipe our credit cards, and it is easy to feel helpless, but the fact remains that small changes have large aggregate effects.  So do your part.  Only buy green cleaning products, including toilet paper that is 100% recycled.  If people can&#8217;t get the horror of cutting down trees to wipe their ass, they are in some sorry shape.  Make no mistake, the Earth is going to PURGE us.  We are greedy selfish bastards and we can point the finger and blame, but we need to take a hard look at what we use and consume and are doing.  Without a concerted effort to use less, our species is going to slam into a brick wall that much sooner.  The greed, corruption, and lies are all going to be dealt with, and in the end, all of the so-called wealth of those at the top is going to be worthless.  Picture famine, disease for which there is no treatment, flood, fire, and the violence that people are going to do to each other in this state of profound chaos and you start to get a glimpse of what is coming&#8230;.not in 50 years&#8230;.not in 10 years&#8230;.within the next two.  As it begins to get really crazy, see it as the new beginning, not the end.  Peace and love to all of my brothers and sisters even those who are selfish and destructive, for we are ONE, and I pray for the collective awakening.</p>
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		<title>By: bargreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>bargreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;normal????&quot;USA has just encapsulated everything that is wrong with America.  Bushthink is no longer in, haven&#039;t you heard?  (THANK GOD)
And to Dan McCuaig, if nothing else about Canada&#039;s losses (and they WOULD be losses) doesn&#039;t touch you, their fishing industry would cease to exist - now I don&#039;t know about you, but I appreciate the ability to have good COLD water fish on my menu.  And as far as the benevolent oil companies go, read the article &quot;Scraping Bottom&quot; in the March issue of National Geographic.  If you have any decency, it&#039;ll make you sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;normal????&#8221;USA has just encapsulated everything that is wrong with America.  Bushthink is no longer in, haven&#8217;t you heard?  (THANK GOD)<br />
And to Dan McCuaig, if nothing else about Canada&#8217;s losses (and they WOULD be losses) doesn&#8217;t touch you, their fishing industry would cease to exist &#8211; now I don&#8217;t know about you, but I appreciate the ability to have good COLD water fish on my menu.  And as far as the benevolent oil companies go, read the article &#8220;Scraping Bottom&#8221; in the March issue of National Geographic.  If you have any decency, it&#8217;ll make you sick.</p>
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		<title>By: NORMAL USA</title>
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		<dc:creator>NORMAL USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great! Shell has finally come to their senses. All the Global Warming Man Made bullshite and green scam projects, Climate Change-blah blah blah...This is good for them as I will now seek out shell station and fill up my SUV everytime for now on! Naive idiots fall for that global warming crap. Get the real facts at NormalUSA.org.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great! Shell has finally come to their senses. All the Global Warming Man Made bullshite and green scam projects, Climate Change-blah blah blah&#8230;This is good for them as I will now seek out shell station and fill up my SUV everytime for now on! Naive idiots fall for that global warming crap. Get the real facts at NormalUSA.org.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harrier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sentiments of my comment weren&#039;t really intended to take place in the context of &#039;wishful thinking.&#039;  Quite the opposite.  It was my attempt to ponder what could happen to Canada in the event of truly bad climate change, like a 3-4C rise in temperatures.  Canada&#039;s claimed territory stretches the furthest north of any nation, unless one counts the Franz Josef islands claimed by Russia.  If the Earth&#039;s habitable climates recede toward the polar regions, Canada&#039;s northern bounds will become a frenzied frontier of people escaping the desertification of the southern latitudes.  In those circumstances, northern Canada is going to have to be transformed into terrain that can support farming, and I was wondering how it might be possible to bring that about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sentiments of my comment weren&#8217;t really intended to take place in the context of &#8216;wishful thinking.&#8217;  Quite the opposite.  It was my attempt to ponder what could happen to Canada in the event of truly bad climate change, like a 3-4C rise in temperatures.  Canada&#8217;s claimed territory stretches the furthest north of any nation, unless one counts the Franz Josef islands claimed by Russia.  If the Earth&#8217;s habitable climates recede toward the polar regions, Canada&#8217;s northern bounds will become a frenzied frontier of people escaping the desertification of the southern latitudes.  In those circumstances, northern Canada is going to have to be transformed into terrain that can support farming, and I was wondering how it might be possible to bring that about.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan McCuaig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan McCuaig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jeff Wishart, for the thoughtful posts.  You obviously are correct that with any significant change comes significant risk, and your pine beetle example may be an instance of such a risk realized.  

My larger point is that, at least in the short- and medium-terms, global warming is likely to create winners (Canada and, more ominously, Russia, for example) as well as losers, and it would be foolish to act under the impression that those likely winners will willingly subvert their own short- and medium-term interests for the long-term health of the planet.  I&#039;d be quite surprised (although very pleased) to see Canada outlaw the extraction of oil from tar sands, ever, without being bribed or beaten into doing so by the international community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jeff Wishart, for the thoughtful posts.  You obviously are correct that with any significant change comes significant risk, and your pine beetle example may be an instance of such a risk realized.  </p>
<p>My larger point is that, at least in the short- and medium-terms, global warming is likely to create winners (Canada and, more ominously, Russia, for example) as well as losers, and it would be foolish to act under the impression that those likely winners will willingly subvert their own short- and medium-term interests for the long-term health of the planet.  I&#8217;d be quite surprised (although very pleased) to see Canada outlaw the extraction of oil from tar sands, ever, without being bribed or beaten into doing so by the international community.</p>
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