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		<title>By: darwin</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/23/exxon-valdez/#comment-34215</link>
		<dc:creator>darwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear esteemed conspecifics -

why all of this wringing of hands? part of your frustration is this desire to freeze-frame the composition of ecosystems and biological assemblages as if these can be rendered unaffected by the inexorable forces of adaptive pressures. as unpalatable as the adaptive pressures resulting from human activity may be they are nonetheless adaptive pressures in response to which some species will be made stronger and others weaker if not (locally) extinct. even in tidal pools with subsurface substances that are toxic to some life forms including cuddly vertebrates, it is certain that whole new biological communities (most likely microbial) will colonize, fully exploit what to them is a rich abundance of a novel resource and thrive! among other human activities, oil consumption is a behavioral phenotype of some human races that we understand creates dire consequences for the environment as we know it. but you can&#039;t have your crumpets and eat them too. if you must bring to the surface gluttonous quantities of fossil fuel from their rightful places deep in the sediment then you must accept the resultant changes in biodiversity without angst or quibbling. in fact, every time you start the engine of your SUV, you have implicitly agreed to this ecological cost. but, you may find peace in knowing that destroying the extant earth environment only creates a different canvas onto which nature is sure to paint an equally appealing biological masterpiece!

evolutionarily yours,

charles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear esteemed conspecifics -</p>
<p>why all of this wringing of hands? part of your frustration is this desire to freeze-frame the composition of ecosystems and biological assemblages as if these can be rendered unaffected by the inexorable forces of adaptive pressures. as unpalatable as the adaptive pressures resulting from human activity may be they are nonetheless adaptive pressures in response to which some species will be made stronger and others weaker if not (locally) extinct. even in tidal pools with subsurface substances that are toxic to some life forms including cuddly vertebrates, it is certain that whole new biological communities (most likely microbial) will colonize, fully exploit what to them is a rich abundance of a novel resource and thrive! among other human activities, oil consumption is a behavioral phenotype of some human races that we understand creates dire consequences for the environment as we know it. but you can&#8217;t have your crumpets and eat them too. if you must bring to the surface gluttonous quantities of fossil fuel from their rightful places deep in the sediment then you must accept the resultant changes in biodiversity without angst or quibbling. in fact, every time you start the engine of your SUV, you have implicitly agreed to this ecological cost. but, you may find peace in knowing that destroying the extant earth environment only creates a different canvas onto which nature is sure to paint an equally appealing biological masterpiece!</p>
<p>evolutionarily yours,</p>
<p>charles</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/23/exxon-valdez/#comment-34136</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same thing happened with Katrina - your government no longer cares about us, since the corporate sector took over (by means of being given the same rights as real people) and pretty much OWNS the whole process now - from faux voting (like Obama&#039;s really going to be able to change any of this - HAH, he&#039;s protecting BUSH from prosecution!), to the whole &quot;green&quot; movement (it&#039;s basically not going to work), to our nation and world getting out of the next decade in one piece (it&#039;s all going to turn to shit soon climatically so enjoy yourselves and watch the ride to oblivion).  Corporations have ruined (poisoned) democracy and capitalism was their weapon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same thing happened with Katrina &#8211; your government no longer cares about us, since the corporate sector took over (by means of being given the same rights as real people) and pretty much OWNS the whole process now &#8211; from faux voting (like Obama&#8217;s really going to be able to change any of this &#8211; HAH, he&#8217;s protecting BUSH from prosecution!), to the whole &#8220;green&#8221; movement (it&#8217;s basically not going to work), to our nation and world getting out of the next decade in one piece (it&#8217;s all going to turn to shit soon climatically so enjoy yourselves and watch the ride to oblivion).  Corporations have ruined (poisoned) democracy and capitalism was their weapon.</p>
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		<title>By: Merle Savage</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/23/exxon-valdez/#comment-34096</link>
		<dc:creator>Merle Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Workers (EVOS) Workers vs. Exxon

Are these the Actions of Our US Lady Justice?
Tipping Scales?
Peeking for Corporate Interest?
Accepting Bribes?
Knee Deep in Exxon Oil?
Allowing Human Life as Exxon&#039;s Collateral Damage?

To view Lady Justice click on the site below.
http://www.silenceinthesound.com/valdez-oil-spill-workers-vs-exxon.shtml 

An investigative study is being conducted into the thousands of Exxon Valdez Oil Spill (EVOS) workers&#039; health issues, and acknowledged as Exxon&#039;s Criminal actions; not just as Exxon&#039;s Collateral Damage.

Here is the rest of the story:  In 1989, while media and public attention focused on the thousands of oil-coated dead seabirds, otters, and other wildlife, little attention was given to the harm done to the EVOS cleanup workers. As workers blasted oiled beaches, with hot seawater from high pressure hoses, they were engulfed in toxic fumes containing aerosolized crude oil—benzene and other volatile compounds, oil mist, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. View photos at:  www.silenceinthesound.com/gallery.shtml 

It is a major concern that the cleanup workers from the 1989 EVOS are suffering from long-term health problems resulting from toxic chemical exposures. A significant number of the workers have died.  Some of the illnesses include neurological impairment, chronic respiratory disease, leukemia, lymphoma, brain tumors, liver damage, and blood diseases. View stories at: www.silenceinthesound.com/stories.shtml 

Dr. Riki Ott has written two books; Sound Truth &amp; Corporate Myth$ and Not One Drop. Dr. Ott has investigated, and studied the oil spill spraying, and quotes numerous reports in her books, on the toxic chemicals that were used during the 1989 Prince William Sound oily beach cleanup.  
 
The Black Wave, www.blackwavethefilm.com (filmed by a Canadian company) is the name of the film that tells the story about Dr. Ott&#039;s investigations and the interviews of sick workers suffering from the toxic chemicals used during the cleanup. The BBC was in Alaska in December 2008 filming for the 20th Anniversary of the oil spill, and interviewed many people. 

Submitted by:  Merle Savage, General Foreman during the (EVOS) cleanup attempt of 1989; www.silenceinthesound.com    email: msavage12@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Workers (EVOS) Workers vs. Exxon</p>
<p>Are these the Actions of Our US Lady Justice?<br />
Tipping Scales?<br />
Peeking for Corporate Interest?<br />
Accepting Bribes?<br />
Knee Deep in Exxon Oil?<br />
Allowing Human Life as Exxon&#8217;s Collateral Damage?</p>
<p>To view Lady Justice click on the site below.<br />
<a href="http://www.silenceinthesound.com/valdez-oil-spill-workers-vs-exxon.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.silenceinthesound.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>valdez-oil-spill-workers-vs-exxon.shtml</a> </p>
<p>An investigative study is being conducted into the thousands of Exxon Valdez Oil Spill (EVOS) workers&#8217; health issues, and acknowledged as Exxon&#8217;s Criminal actions; not just as Exxon&#8217;s Collateral Damage.</p>
<p>Here is the rest of the story:  In 1989, while media and public attention focused on the thousands of oil-coated dead seabirds, otters, and other wildlife, little attention was given to the harm done to the EVOS cleanup workers. As workers blasted oiled beaches, with hot seawater from high pressure hoses, they were engulfed in toxic fumes containing aerosolized crude oil—benzene and other volatile compounds, oil mist, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. View photos at:  <a href="http://www.silenceinthesound.com/gallery.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.silenceinthesound.com/gallery.shtml</a> </p>
<p>It is a major concern that the cleanup workers from the 1989 EVOS are suffering from long-term health problems resulting from toxic chemical exposures. A significant number of the workers have died.  Some of the illnesses include neurological impairment, chronic respiratory disease, leukemia, lymphoma, brain tumors, liver damage, and blood diseases. View stories at: <a href="http://www.silenceinthesound.com/stories.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.silenceinthesound.com/stories.shtml</a> </p>
<p>Dr. Riki Ott has written two books; Sound Truth &amp; Corporate Myth$ and Not One Drop. Dr. Ott has investigated, and studied the oil spill spraying, and quotes numerous reports in her books, on the toxic chemicals that were used during the 1989 Prince William Sound oily beach cleanup.  </p>
<p>The Black Wave, <a href="http://www.blackwavethefilm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.blackwavethefilm.com</a> (filmed by a Canadian company) is the name of the film that tells the story about Dr. Ott&#8217;s investigations and the interviews of sick workers suffering from the toxic chemicals used during the cleanup. The BBC was in Alaska in December 2008 filming for the 20th Anniversary of the oil spill, and interviewed many people. </p>
<p>Submitted by:  Merle Savage, General Foreman during the (EVOS) cleanup attempt of 1989; <a href="http://www.silenceinthesound.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.silenceinthesound.com</a>    email: <a href="mailto:msavage12@yahoo.com">msavage12@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lou Grinzo</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/23/exxon-valdez/#comment-34084</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Grinzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing I think of is: &quot;We&#039;ll never make them pay.&quot;  What I mean by that is there are numerous externalities associated with fossil fuels, from the obvious one (CO2 emissions) to the ones that only break through to our awareness when a big event happens, like oil spills or a breached fly ash pond.

As long as we let society pay the cost of many of these problems, and only (if ever) impose a cost on the companies involved in the form of a law suit after the fact, fossil fuels will continue to have a ridiculous cost advantage over wind, solar, wave, tidal, hydro, and geothermal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing I think of is: &#8220;We&#8217;ll never make them pay.&#8221;  What I mean by that is there are numerous externalities associated with fossil fuels, from the obvious one (CO2 emissions) to the ones that only break through to our awareness when a big event happens, like oil spills or a breached fly ash pond.</p>
<p>As long as we let society pay the cost of many of these problems, and only (if ever) impose a cost on the companies involved in the form of a law suit after the fact, fossil fuels will continue to have a ridiculous cost advantage over wind, solar, wave, tidal, hydro, and geothermal.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/23/exxon-valdez/#comment-34076</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For many of us, the Exxon Valdez was our 9-11 -- a horrific event, with long-term repercussions.  I was working for a congressional committee at the time.  We were preparing climate change and clean air act legislation, then we took on legislation to help prevent another similar tragedy, this is when the double hulls were required, and our role was to look at what scientific research was needed to better handle these spills in the future.  I remember watching workers wearing hazmat gear pressure-washing the rocks on shore with very hot water, sterilizing all of the natural biota, a second punishment for life after the sticky, poisonous goo.  And the thousands of birds and other creatures who died, and the fishermen who lost their livelihoods.  Despite a court win for the plaintiffs, awarding them a large sum, the payments were never sufficiently disbursed, the powerful defendants were successful at years and years of delay.   And now countries are fighting over the right to mine arctic waters for more oil, made possible by the melting ice.   It&#039;s difficult not to conclude that homo sapiens have a long way to go up the evolution curve.   Twenty years after the fact, we are still acting like barbarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For many of us, the Exxon Valdez was our 9-11 &#8212; a horrific event, with long-term repercussions.  I was working for a congressional committee at the time.  We were preparing climate change and clean air act legislation, then we took on legislation to help prevent another similar tragedy, this is when the double hulls were required, and our role was to look at what scientific research was needed to better handle these spills in the future.  I remember watching workers wearing hazmat gear pressure-washing the rocks on shore with very hot water, sterilizing all of the natural biota, a second punishment for life after the sticky, poisonous goo.  And the thousands of birds and other creatures who died, and the fishermen who lost their livelihoods.  Despite a court win for the plaintiffs, awarding them a large sum, the payments were never sufficiently disbursed, the powerful defendants were successful at years and years of delay.   And now countries are fighting over the right to mine arctic waters for more oil, made possible by the melting ice.   It&#8217;s difficult not to conclude that homo sapiens have a long way to go up the evolution curve.   Twenty years after the fact, we are still acting like barbarians.</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/23/exxon-valdez/#comment-34025</link>
		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it inspired this cruel joke.
http://alohaflower.home.mindspring.com/gannet-be-funny.jpg

coming hot on the heels of the global warming announcements i remember thinking the reckless days were ending. the expansion of fossil fuel use that followed was a heavyweight gut punch: we&#039;re hype, and our top people are just &lt;em&gt;stupid&lt;/em&gt; with self-love.

nothing since has offered different evidence. they&#039;re just not worth the power we give them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it inspired this cruel joke.<br />
<a href="http://alohaflower.home.mindspring.com/gannet-be-funny.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://alohaflower.home.mindspring.com/gannet-be-funny.jpg</a></p>
<p>coming hot on the heels of the global warming announcements i remember thinking the reckless days were ending. the expansion of fossil fuel use that followed was a heavyweight gut punch: we&#8217;re hype, and our top people are just <em>stupid</em> with self-love.</p>
<p>nothing since has offered different evidence. they&#8217;re just not worth the power we give them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/23/exxon-valdez/#comment-34022</link>
		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, I quit the week the spill happened and it was obvious about the cover up - and one time I was very close to running out of gas because I refused to buy, and I cajoled my friends into not doing it either (see how well its working!). 

Nonetheless, my thoughts are nothing has changed much at all since. Except maybe we are fatter and dumber overall. No, we are certainly dumber since we broke our treasure and army to go to war over oil.

Best,

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, I quit the week the spill happened and it was obvious about the cover up &#8211; and one time I was very close to running out of gas because I refused to buy, and I cajoled my friends into not doing it either (see how well its working!). </p>
<p>Nonetheless, my thoughts are nothing has changed much at all since. Except maybe we are fatter and dumber overall. No, we are certainly dumber since we broke our treasure and army to go to war over oil.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: graceonline</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/23/exxon-valdez/#comment-34018</link>
		<dc:creator>graceonline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps most telling of the long-term effects of the spill is the fact that, after twenty years, neither the transient nor the resident Orca pods have fully recovered their populations. Indeed, the transient pod has failed to breed successfully and no longer has a female member to carry young. It would be interesting to know what is going on in those sand-buried tide pools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps most telling of the long-term effects of the spill is the fact that, after twenty years, neither the transient nor the resident Orca pods have fully recovered their populations. Indeed, the transient pod has failed to breed successfully and no longer has a female member to carry young. It would be interesting to know what is going on in those sand-buried tide pools.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Alt</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/23/exxon-valdez/#comment-34015</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Alt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t bought any exxon or mobile gasoline in about 3 years.
But looking back, that was a mistake.  I should have shunned them much earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t bought any exxon or mobile gasoline in about 3 years.<br />
But looking back, that was a mistake.  I should have shunned them much earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Brewster</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/23/exxon-valdez/#comment-34009</link>
		<dc:creator>Brewster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendan, I personally don&#039;t like your reasoning.

Unfortunately, I have a hard time disagreeing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendan, I personally don&#8217;t like your reasoning.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I have a hard time disagreeing&#8230;</p>
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