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	<title>Comments on: Absolute must read:  Australia today offers horrific glimpse of U.S. Southwest, much of planet, post-2040, if we don&#8217;t slash emissions soon</title>
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		<title>By: espiritwater</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/12/australia-southwest-global-warming-drought-wildfire/#comment-250603</link>
		<dc:creator>espiritwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulm, you talked of civil disobedience.  We have to get the young people to wake up!  They are the ones who are being screwed out of a viable future!  If they realize how little time is left and how dire the situation is, they&#039;ll do something to stop it!  Think of the Vietnam war.  The young people protested CONTINUALLY until the war ended.  They need to understand that their future is being flushed down the toilet by the fossil fuel industry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulm, you talked of civil disobedience.  We have to get the young people to wake up!  They are the ones who are being screwed out of a viable future!  If they realize how little time is left and how dire the situation is, they&#8217;ll do something to stop it!  Think of the Vietnam war.  The young people protested CONTINUALLY until the war ended.  They need to understand that their future is being flushed down the toilet by the fossil fuel industry!</p>
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		<title>By: espiritwater</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/12/australia-southwest-global-warming-drought-wildfire/#comment-250595</link>
		<dc:creator>espiritwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil Howes describes the LAT piece as, &quot;not newsworthy and newspaper sensationalism&quot;.  

The story stated &quot;on the hottest day, 4,000 gray-headed flying foxes dropped dead out of trees in one park.&quot;  That isn&#039;t newsworthy? 4,000 foxes die, all in one day--because of the heat?  Seems kind of catastrophic and newsworthy to me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil Howes describes the LAT piece as, &#8220;not newsworthy and newspaper sensationalism&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The story stated &#8220;on the hottest day, 4,000 gray-headed flying foxes dropped dead out of trees in one park.&#8221;  That isn&#8217;t newsworthy? 4,000 foxes die, all in one day&#8211;because of the heat?  Seems kind of catastrophic and newsworthy to me!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/12/australia-southwest-global-warming-drought-wildfire/#comment-126998</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Joe, but a quick correction, the suicide rate amongst farmers in Australia has actually probably dropped over recent years and the claims about high suicide rates amongst Australian farmers is based on old data that was recorded before the current drought.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1869891.htm

It&#039;s a myth perpetrated by sloppy journalism that continues today despite being debunked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Joe, but a quick correction, the suicide rate amongst farmers in Australia has actually probably dropped over recent years and the claims about high suicide rates amongst Australian farmers is based on old data that was recorded before the current drought.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1869891.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>mediawatch/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>transcripts/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>s1869891.htm</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a myth perpetrated by sloppy journalism that continues today despite being debunked.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pauli</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/12/australia-southwest-global-warming-drought-wildfire/#comment-97741</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Pauli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heat wave in Nebraska has killed 4000 cattle this month.  Lost despite efforts to cool them off.  The painful twist to this story is that insurance does not cover cattle loss by heat.  Most other risk is covered.  

The insurance industry has understood global warming for years.   

http://www.nebraska.tv/Global/story.asp?S=10658917&amp;nav=menu605_2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heat wave in Nebraska has killed 4000 cattle this month.  Lost despite efforts to cool them off.  The painful twist to this story is that insurance does not cover cattle loss by heat.  Most other risk is covered.  </p>
<p>The insurance industry has understood global warming for years.   </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nebraska.tv/Global/story.asp?S=10658917&amp;nav=menu605_2" rel="nofollow">http://www.nebraska.tv/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>Global/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>story.asp?S=10658917&amp;nav=menu605_2</a></p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/12/australia-southwest-global-warming-drought-wildfire/#comment-39233</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike D --- During Snowball Earth, there were only microbes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike D &#8212; During Snowball Earth, there were only microbes.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reality and Hope are not mutually exclusive.

In fact you might argue that hope is ultimately based on reality.

The reality is that we are in  the process of a tipping action (all though you might not accept this) which is ultimately going to result in a much hostile planet for life here on Earth. 

A great extinction was well underway even before the dangers of CC were distilled. Human civilization will not survive even the first rise of 2 - 3 degrees that is in the pipeline. 

Hopefully, we will evolve after this  event in to a planet and specie more successful at surviving and flourishing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reality and Hope are not mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>In fact you might argue that hope is ultimately based on reality.</p>
<p>The reality is that we are in  the process of a tipping action (all though you might not accept this) which is ultimately going to result in a much hostile planet for life here on Earth. </p>
<p>A great extinction was well underway even before the dangers of CC were distilled. Human civilization will not survive even the first rise of 2 &#8211; 3 degrees that is in the pipeline. </p>
<p>Hopefully, we will evolve after this  event in to a planet and specie more successful at surviving and flourishing.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mashey</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/12/australia-southwest-global-warming-drought-wildfire/#comment-39195</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mashey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note the (somewhat theoretical difference) between Australia &amp; US SouthWest, in the effects of Hadley Cell extension that moves precipitation poleward:

Without minimizing the problems that  will cause for TX, OK, SoCal, etc, at least the water is still on the same continent.  After all, the only reason Los Angeles exists as it does is that it gets water from the Colorado and  Northern California.

On the other hand, Perth (Western Australia) is a lovely city, but already dry, and is far away from any place that might get more water, and far away from other population centers (1300 miles from Adelaide, 1700 from Melbourne).  They already have opened one desalination plant ... but such don&#039;t go very far for agriculture.

Its already-minimal water will tend to fall in the Southern Ocean.  See Figure 4 of that PNAS article...

Unfortunately, if there&#039;s a first-world metropolitan area that will end up seriously downsizing due to climate change, it may well be Perth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note the (somewhat theoretical difference) between Australia &amp; US SouthWest, in the effects of Hadley Cell extension that moves precipitation poleward:</p>
<p>Without minimizing the problems that  will cause for TX, OK, SoCal, etc, at least the water is still on the same continent.  After all, the only reason Los Angeles exists as it does is that it gets water from the Colorado and  Northern California.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Perth (Western Australia) is a lovely city, but already dry, and is far away from any place that might get more water, and far away from other population centers (1300 miles from Adelaide, 1700 from Melbourne).  They already have opened one desalination plant &#8230; but such don&#8217;t go very far for agriculture.</p>
<p>Its already-minimal water will tend to fall in the Southern Ocean.  See Figure 4 of that PNAS article&#8230;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, if there&#8217;s a first-world metropolitan area that will end up seriously downsizing due to climate change, it may well be Perth.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/12/australia-southwest-global-warming-drought-wildfire/#comment-39187</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harrier - What are you referring to when you say you&#039;re not afraid for the earth? True - it won&#039;t fall into the sun. But the more serious past episodes of warming have probably contributed to major extinction events, particularly with ocean anoxia. Life won&#039;t end in toto, but lots of lives will end and species will go extinct as a result.

We humans were probably already causing an extinction event due to habitat loss, and this is adding greatly to it. I know somebody who is heavily involved in open space protection for wildlife. He told me that all that land they set aside to protect wildlife will be useless to most of the wildlife since they will need to move, so they are focusing on migration corridors. Because land this is good for particular species now probably won&#039;t be good for those same species pretty soon.

And lastly, some of our Congress members need to fly in some of those Australian farmers to testify in Congress about that head-in-the-sand attitude. The LA Times article doesn&#039;t seem to have a comments section, but we know that denialists are about to start spouting about alarmism in the LA Times (as well as NG). I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if a few of those farmers were denying it just a few years ago. Nothing like hearing from the recently converted - who have seen how brutal adaptation can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harrier &#8211; What are you referring to when you say you&#8217;re not afraid for the earth? True &#8211; it won&#8217;t fall into the sun. But the more serious past episodes of warming have probably contributed to major extinction events, particularly with ocean anoxia. Life won&#8217;t end in toto, but lots of lives will end and species will go extinct as a result.</p>
<p>We humans were probably already causing an extinction event due to habitat loss, and this is adding greatly to it. I know somebody who is heavily involved in open space protection for wildlife. He told me that all that land they set aside to protect wildlife will be useless to most of the wildlife since they will need to move, so they are focusing on migration corridors. Because land this is good for particular species now probably won&#8217;t be good for those same species pretty soon.</p>
<p>And lastly, some of our Congress members need to fly in some of those Australian farmers to testify in Congress about that head-in-the-sand attitude. The LA Times article doesn&#8217;t seem to have a comments section, but we know that denialists are about to start spouting about alarmism in the LA Times (as well as NG). I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if a few of those farmers were denying it just a few years ago. Nothing like hearing from the recently converted &#8211; who have seen how brutal adaptation can be.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Mims</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Mims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why look to Australia, when you have examples right here in the U.S.?

Southwest Texas is currently experiencing its worst drought in fifty years. If you thought it was a desert already, you&#039;ve obviously never had produce from the Rio Grande Valley -- or, more likely, you did and weren&#039;t aware of it.

I do believe the water wars (speaking proverbially) will start in Texas, not California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why look to Australia, when you have examples right here in the U.S.?</p>
<p>Southwest Texas is currently experiencing its worst drought in fifty years. If you thought it was a desert already, you&#8217;ve obviously never had produce from the Rio Grande Valley &#8212; or, more likely, you did and weren&#8217;t aware of it.</p>
<p>I do believe the water wars (speaking proverbially) will start in Texas, not California.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidCOG</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidCOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike D,

No one here, that I can see, has &quot;scared themselves into a panic.&quot;  But some of us are acutely aware of what is happening to the climate and that the best science has consistently underestimated the rate of climate change - so taking the upper bounds of SLR or global temperature or ice-free Arctic is not being &quot;hysterical&quot;.  Those of us who understand these things are rightly concerned.  We are the &quot;clear-thinking people&quot;.

I&#039;m not sure what the point of this was: &quot;Okay guys ease up a bit, global warming will be terrible for many living species, but it’s not going to extinguish all life.&quot;

So, as long as there&#039;s some algae and a few insects clinging to existence, that&#039;s OK?  I wonder, how many species are you happy to see eradicated before you think you&#039;ve done enough of &quot;easing up&quot;?

Stick around, read, follow the science and you may gain the sense of urgency that the rest of us have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike D,</p>
<p>No one here, that I can see, has &#8220;scared themselves into a panic.&#8221;  But some of us are acutely aware of what is happening to the climate and that the best science has consistently underestimated the rate of climate change &#8211; so taking the upper bounds of SLR or global temperature or ice-free Arctic is not being &#8220;hysterical&#8221;.  Those of us who understand these things are rightly concerned.  We are the &#8220;clear-thinking people&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the point of this was: &#8220;Okay guys ease up a bit, global warming will be terrible for many living species, but it’s not going to extinguish all life.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, as long as there&#8217;s some algae and a few insects clinging to existence, that&#8217;s OK?  I wonder, how many species are you happy to see eradicated before you think you&#8217;ve done enough of &#8220;easing up&#8221;?</p>
<p>Stick around, read, follow the science and you may gain the sense of urgency that the rest of us have.</p>
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