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	<title>Comments on: David Broder is the sultan of the status quo, stenographer of those centrists who are fatally uninformed about global warming</title>
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		<title>By: Chester</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/14/david-broder-status-quo-centrist-independentglobal-warming/#comment-39398</link>
		<dc:creator>Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan Thomas is unbelievably cynical.  I thought I was cynical until I started watching Evan on Washington Week.  Last week he said Congress would never pass a cap-and-trade bill because it would cost money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan Thomas is unbelievably cynical.  I thought I was cynical until I started watching Evan on Washington Week.  Last week he said Congress would never pass a cap-and-trade bill because it would cost money.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilmot McCutchen</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/14/david-broder-status-quo-centrist-independentglobal-warming/#comment-39354</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilmot McCutchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Dean&#039;s comment.  

The current iteration of the cap and trade idea for CO2 quacks like a tax.  There are unpleasant memories of the aborted BTU tax during the Clinton first term, which some Democrats blamed for losing the Congress in the 1994 election.  http://thebreakthrough.org/blog/PDF/Getting%20Real%20on%20Climate%20Change.pdf

Rather than borrow in today&#039;s climate to build CO2 capture and treatment facilities, the utilities probably would just pay the penalty for continuing their usual emissions, then go to their compliant local PUC and get a rate hike to cover the increased cost to them.  The public would end up paying for the emissions.  If Congress can be trusted, the tax revenue from the utilities would be paid to the utility customers to hold them harmless.  Net result: pollution as usual, and some money is shuffled around to no purpose.  More likely, the consumer relief fund would be embezzled for earmarks and other more important concerns. 

There is a fundamental &quot;free market&quot; assumption behind cap and trade.  But the utilities are monopolies, and local PUCs are lap dogs rather than watch dogs.  Utilities can easily avoid penalties by passing the hurt onto their customers.  

There would probably be public support for a small rate hike to pay for upgrading the grid (e.g. the gas tax for highways) and to pay for deployment of CO2 solutions.  After all, Americans enjoy very cheap power.  But a big cap and trade plan might be a bridge too far at this point, as the Senate vote showed recently.

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  Can&#039;t get to 550 ppm (let alone 450, let alone 350), without making dirty energy much more expensive.  That is just reality.  And, no, I don&#039;t think PUCs will let utilities do nothing and pass costs on to their customers.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dean&#8217;s comment.  </p>
<p>The current iteration of the cap and trade idea for CO2 quacks like a tax.  There are unpleasant memories of the aborted BTU tax during the Clinton first term, which some Democrats blamed for losing the Congress in the 1994 election.  <a href="http://thebreakthrough.org/blog/PDF/Getting%20Real%20on%20Climate%20Change.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://thebreakthrough.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>blog/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>PDF/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>Getting%20Real%20on%20Climate%20Change.pdf</a></p>
<p>Rather than borrow in today&#8217;s climate to build CO2 capture and treatment facilities, the utilities probably would just pay the penalty for continuing their usual emissions, then go to their compliant local PUC and get a rate hike to cover the increased cost to them.  The public would end up paying for the emissions.  If Congress can be trusted, the tax revenue from the utilities would be paid to the utility customers to hold them harmless.  Net result: pollution as usual, and some money is shuffled around to no purpose.  More likely, the consumer relief fund would be embezzled for earmarks and other more important concerns. </p>
<p>There is a fundamental &#8220;free market&#8221; assumption behind cap and trade.  But the utilities are monopolies, and local PUCs are lap dogs rather than watch dogs.  Utilities can easily avoid penalties by passing the hurt onto their customers.  </p>
<p>There would probably be public support for a small rate hike to pay for upgrading the grid (e.g. the gas tax for highways) and to pay for deployment of CO2 solutions.  After all, Americans enjoy very cheap power.  But a big cap and trade plan might be a bridge too far at this point, as the Senate vote showed recently.</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  Can't get to 550 ppm (let alone 450, let alone 350), without making dirty energy much more expensive.  That is just reality.  And, no, I don't think PUCs will let utilities do nothing and pass costs on to their customers.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although Democrats are back in power, they did so partly by ceding to some of the Republican talking/political points. The best example is guns. That isn&#039;t a statement on what I or anybody think gun laws should be or the 2nd amendment means (I&#039;m not starting a gun debate here!). Just that most Democrats, particularly at the national level, whatever their personal preference (and in conflict with their personal preferences in some cases), have decided to cede this issue.

Another such Republican &quot;messaging&quot; victory is on how taxes are dealt with in the public sphere. The mantra about taxes has weakened _a bit_ for the very rich, mostly due to the economic situation. 

You might say that Democrats should challenge the characterization of cap and trade as a tax, but the point is that politically-speaking, they don&#039;t want to fight that fight. If some policy is being characterized as a tax increase on the middle class, many Democrats will walk away from it, even if they don&#039;t think the characterization is correct. They have other battles to fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Democrats are back in power, they did so partly by ceding to some of the Republican talking/political points. The best example is guns. That isn&#8217;t a statement on what I or anybody think gun laws should be or the 2nd amendment means (I&#8217;m not starting a gun debate here!). Just that most Democrats, particularly at the national level, whatever their personal preference (and in conflict with their personal preferences in some cases), have decided to cede this issue.</p>
<p>Another such Republican &#8220;messaging&#8221; victory is on how taxes are dealt with in the public sphere. The mantra about taxes has weakened _a bit_ for the very rich, mostly due to the economic situation. </p>
<p>You might say that Democrats should challenge the characterization of cap and trade as a tax, but the point is that politically-speaking, they don&#8217;t want to fight that fight. If some policy is being characterized as a tax increase on the middle class, many Democrats will walk away from it, even if they don&#8217;t think the characterization is correct. They have other battles to fight.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenPRGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenPRGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember the airliner that went on flying on autopilot long after the failed oxygen system snuffed out all aboard? That&#039;s Broder for about the past 10 years. Sad, really. But I don&#039;t know how much heft he really carries these days (Will is headed in the same direction).

It is, however, an interesting and unexpected curse to see the climate debate finally reach a level of seriousness that the DC press corps deems it worthwhile to treat it as just another empty horse race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the airliner that went on flying on autopilot long after the failed oxygen system snuffed out all aboard? That&#8217;s Broder for about the past 10 years. Sad, really. But I don&#8217;t know how much heft he really carries these days (Will is headed in the same direction).</p>
<p>It is, however, an interesting and unexpected curse to see the climate debate finally reach a level of seriousness that the DC press corps deems it worthwhile to treat it as just another empty horse race.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which reminds me of 2 books written by John F Kennedy, &#039;Profiles in Courage&#039;, and &#039;Why England Slept.&#039;

Profiles in Courage in mid 1950&#039;s discussed the courage of a few U.S. Senators and some of there votes and the hard time people gave them afterwards.    That book made me realize just how hard it is to be the political spotlight.  Imagine voting agains slavery in 1850 in the south.   Or imagine voting against carbon fueled energy from an energy state.

Why England Slept was, of course, the build up to World War II.

Gives a good book title, &#039;Why the World Sleeps.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which reminds me of 2 books written by John F Kennedy, &#8216;Profiles in Courage&#8217;, and &#8216;Why England Slept.&#8217;</p>
<p>Profiles in Courage in mid 1950&#8217;s discussed the courage of a few U.S. Senators and some of there votes and the hard time people gave them afterwards.    That book made me realize just how hard it is to be the political spotlight.  Imagine voting agains slavery in 1850 in the south.   Or imagine voting against carbon fueled energy from an energy state.</p>
<p>Why England Slept was, of course, the build up to World War II.</p>
<p>Gives a good book title, &#8216;Why the World Sleeps.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/14/david-broder-status-quo-centrist-independentglobal-warming/#comment-39311</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a Glenn Beck video that was posted on the intertubes which was hysterical (in both sense of the word!)  First he fumed that conservatives had been disenfranchised causing me to retort, in my kitchen, No dufus you weren&#039;t disenfranchised, you LOST!  Then he ranted about how &quot;we&quot; voted for change, and this isn&#039;t change!  Does that mean Glenn Beck voted Democratic in the last election?

Fortunately, Obama doesn&#039;t appear to believe he needs to pay any attention to media whores and buffoons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a Glenn Beck video that was posted on the intertubes which was hysterical (in both sense of the word!)  First he fumed that conservatives had been disenfranchised causing me to retort, in my kitchen, No dufus you weren&#8217;t disenfranchised, you LOST!  Then he ranted about how &#8220;we&#8221; voted for change, and this isn&#8217;t change!  Does that mean Glenn Beck voted Democratic in the last election?</p>
<p>Fortunately, Obama doesn&#8217;t appear to believe he needs to pay any attention to media whores and buffoons.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harrier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, Broder.  The arch-captain of conventional wisdom.  It&#039;s best to take everything he says and do the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, Broder.  The arch-captain of conventional wisdom.  It&#8217;s best to take everything he says and do the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quote from Dante is apropos. If these obstructionists succeed in achieving what would be the ultimate Pyrrhic victory, they might perhaps construct, somewhere in the middle of the desolation, a monument with the following inscription, this one from Milton: &quot;Here at least we shall be free... Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quote from Dante is apropos. If these obstructionists succeed in achieving what would be the ultimate Pyrrhic victory, they might perhaps construct, somewhere in the middle of the desolation, a monument with the following inscription, this one from Milton: &#8220;Here at least we shall be free&#8230; Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.&#8221;</p>
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