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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/22/msn-global-warming-impacts/#comment-41310</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DavidCOG --- Yes, that is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DavidCOG &#8212; Yes, that is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/22/msn-global-warming-impacts/#comment-41197</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Doering</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/22/msn-global-warming-impacts/#comment-41183</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Doering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like this is the source for the of the claim about the &quot;extra 8 inches&quot;

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v2/n4/abs/ngeo462.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like this is the source for the of the claim about the &#8220;extra 8 inches&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v2/n4/abs/ngeo462.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>ngeo/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>journal/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>v2/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>n4/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>abs/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>ngeo462.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lou Grinzo</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/22/msn-global-warming-impacts/#comment-41145</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Grinzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need to find someone or some group that can fund a documentary on this, in the form of newscasts from the year 2050.  If this were well done in terms of both production values and not overreaching (because none is needed), I think it could make a lot of people see where we&#039;re headed.

News stories about climate refugees, fighting over water (sometimes legally, sometimes with weapons), infectious disease outbreaks, plus all the climate impacts mentioned in the MSN story, could be disturbing enough to make the needed conceptual breakthrough.

I&#039;m completely serious about this.  If anyone here has the right connections to start such a project, I would very gladly work on it.  I can be contacted through the About page on my web site (click my name).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need to find someone or some group that can fund a documentary on this, in the form of newscasts from the year 2050.  If this were well done in terms of both production values and not overreaching (because none is needed), I think it could make a lot of people see where we&#8217;re headed.</p>
<p>News stories about climate refugees, fighting over water (sometimes legally, sometimes with weapons), infectious disease outbreaks, plus all the climate impacts mentioned in the MSN story, could be disturbing enough to make the needed conceptual breakthrough.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m completely serious about this.  If anyone here has the right connections to start such a project, I would very gladly work on it.  I can be contacted through the About page on my web site (click my name).</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/22/msn-global-warming-impacts/#comment-41133</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gail - Maybe, but I don&#039;t think global change will happen unless the UN gets more support and power. The world needs to start acting (and being governed) like a single country rather than 200+ competitors.

I can&#039;t see even Europe viewing the US as a leader until its emissions halve down to European levels. As for China and India, the gulf in per-capita emissions is unbridgable...!

Logical conclusion - the US (and other countries) must be prepared to hand over political power from their own government to the UN. Countries in the EU have been through the same pain in handing power to Brussels so it can be done. You just have to overcome the US&#039;s apparent superiority complex and disdain of all things non-American!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gail &#8211; Maybe, but I don&#8217;t think global change will happen unless the UN gets more support and power. The world needs to start acting (and being governed) like a single country rather than 200+ competitors.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see even Europe viewing the US as a leader until its emissions halve down to European levels. As for China and India, the gulf in per-capita emissions is unbridgable&#8230;!</p>
<p>Logical conclusion &#8211; the US (and other countries) must be prepared to hand over political power from their own government to the UN. Countries in the EU have been through the same pain in handing power to Brussels so it can be done. You just have to overcome the US&#8217;s apparent superiority complex and disdain of all things non-American!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe B</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/22/msn-global-warming-impacts/#comment-41127</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article should have said A LOT MORE about infectious diseases, tropical diseases rushing north, insects-born diseases and pest infections of our people, our crops, our homes, salinization of our coastal water sources, extreme price competition for food crops.....!   WHY DO ALL THESE CLIMATE CHANGE ARTICLES STILL FOCUS ON SIMPLE SEA LEVEL RISE!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article should have said A LOT MORE about infectious diseases, tropical diseases rushing north, insects-born diseases and pest infections of our people, our crops, our homes, salinization of our coastal water sources, extreme price competition for food crops&#8230;..!   WHY DO ALL THESE CLIMATE CHANGE ARTICLES STILL FOCUS ON SIMPLE SEA LEVEL RISE!?!</p>
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		<title>By: DavidCOG</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/22/msn-global-warming-impacts/#comment-41111</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidCOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really? *Two* links and a comment hits the moderation queue? :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? *Two* links and a comment hits the moderation queue? :/</p>
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		<title>By: DavidCOG</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/22/msn-global-warming-impacts/#comment-41110</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidCOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skimming the first 20 comments at http://lifestyle.msn.com/your-life/living-green/staticslideshowgreenchan.aspx?cp-documentid=18995580 makes for unpleasant reading.  One could hope that the article was posted to a Denier mailing list and they all descended with their usual idiocy, but what if those comments are indicative of the average citizen?  It&#039;s clear that none of those people are going to willingly change their gluttonous consumption one little bit.


Gail, that&#039;s not strictly true about USA being highest per capita for CO2 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita - although the countries that are higher are sparsely populated and mostly located in deserts.  A pertinent comparison is that the USA produces two or three times more CO2 per capita than comparable (climate, wealth) countries in Europe.  So, yes, USA has a moral obligation to be most pro-active in climate mitigation.  However, I think this train of discussion is irrelevant - it&#039;s like a bunch of people sat on a sinking boat arguing over who should start bailing out first. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skimming the first 20 comments at <a href="http://lifestyle.msn.com/your-life/living-green/staticslideshowgreenchan.aspx?cp-documentid=18995580" rel="nofollow">http://lifestyle.msn.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>your-life/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>living-green/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>staticslideshowgreenchan.aspx?cp-documentid=18995580</a> makes for unpleasant reading.  One could hope that the article was posted to a Denier mailing list and they all descended with their usual idiocy, but what if those comments are indicative of the average citizen?  It&#8217;s clear that none of those people are going to willingly change their gluttonous consumption one little bit.</p>
<p>Gail, that&#8217;s not strictly true about USA being highest per capita for CO2 &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>wiki/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita</a> &#8211; although the countries that are higher are sparsely populated and mostly located in deserts.  A pertinent comparison is that the USA produces two or three times more CO2 per capita than comparable (climate, wealth) countries in Europe.  So, yes, USA has a moral obligation to be most pro-active in climate mitigation.  However, I think this train of discussion is irrelevant &#8211; it&#8217;s like a bunch of people sat on a sinking boat arguing over who should start bailing out first. <img src='http://climateprogress.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/22/msn-global-warming-impacts/#comment-41066</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 8-inch additional sea level rise along the NE coast is from actually from http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v2/n4/abs/ngeo462.html.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 8-inch additional sea level rise along the NE coast is from actually from <a href="http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v2/n4/abs/ngeo462.html." rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>ngeo/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>journal/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>v2/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>n4/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>abs/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>ngeo462.html.</a></p>
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		<title>By: OTerry</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/22/msn-global-warming-impacts/#comment-41053</link>
		<dc:creator>OTerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The focus of the MSN article is on the USA, obviously in order to appeal to its US audience. However I think it is crucial to highlight and educate people about the change that is occurring outside of the USA.

The effects of climate change are undoubtedly going to be dire for all of the planet. It is the areas that are much less able to afford adaptation (i.e. everywhere other than the USA and Europe) that will feel the most extreme pain. 

US citizens (such as Charlie above) may read this article and think &quot;oh, that doesn&#039;t sound to bad&quot; and think that they can personally adapt themselves quite easily to the new climate. 

Such a naive understanding of the situation belies the true danger of climate change. America will remain inhabitable, while elsewhere, crop failure, disease, sea level rise, etc will have a much large impact. This will lead to *very* significant social and economic costs to Americans (and the developed world in general). 

So perhaps instead of telling someone from Iowa that climate change means more days wearing shorts, what might be more effective is to tell them that food prices will skyrocket, water will be valued higher than, and that the USA will be perhaps relied upon to keep the whole planet from becoming a &quot;failed state&quot;. 

&lt;b&gt; What we desperately need is a US version of the Stern report! &lt;/b&gt; A cost needs to be associated with climate change. People (myself included) can barely understand the sheer size of the current deficit, let alone the cost of climate change. Perhaps if people are told &quot;by 2050, climate change will cost every America $xxx,xxx (?) per year&quot; then the scale will be better understood, and real action can be taken sooner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The focus of the MSN article is on the USA, obviously in order to appeal to its US audience. However I think it is crucial to highlight and educate people about the change that is occurring outside of the USA.</p>
<p>The effects of climate change are undoubtedly going to be dire for all of the planet. It is the areas that are much less able to afford adaptation (i.e. everywhere other than the USA and Europe) that will feel the most extreme pain. </p>
<p>US citizens (such as Charlie above) may read this article and think &#8220;oh, that doesn&#8217;t sound to bad&#8221; and think that they can personally adapt themselves quite easily to the new climate. </p>
<p>Such a naive understanding of the situation belies the true danger of climate change. America will remain inhabitable, while elsewhere, crop failure, disease, sea level rise, etc will have a much large impact. This will lead to *very* significant social and economic costs to Americans (and the developed world in general). </p>
<p>So perhaps instead of telling someone from Iowa that climate change means more days wearing shorts, what might be more effective is to tell them that food prices will skyrocket, water will be valued higher than, and that the USA will be perhaps relied upon to keep the whole planet from becoming a &#8220;failed state&#8221;. </p>
<p><b> What we desperately need is a US version of the Stern report! </b> A cost needs to be associated with climate change. People (myself included) can barely understand the sheer size of the current deficit, let alone the cost of climate change. Perhaps if people are told &#8220;by 2050, climate change will cost every America $xxx,xxx (?) per year&#8221; then the scale will be better understood, and real action can be taken sooner.</p>
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