Comments on: NOAA stunner: “Methane levels rose in 2008 for the second consecutive year after a 10-year lull,” CO2 up 2.1 ppm to highest levels on record “despite economic slump” http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/25/noaa-methane-levels-2008/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:44:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Theodore http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/25/noaa-methane-levels-2008/#comment-89554 Theodore Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:39:18 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6013#comment-89554 Here is a half-baked idea for somebody else to work on. Grow bamboo. Drill holes in it. Blow sand in the holes. Dump it in the ocean. The sand will make it sink to the bottom, where it will be covered with sediment, trapping its carbon. Here is a half-baked idea for somebody else to work on. Grow bamboo. Drill holes in it. Blow sand in the holes. Dump it in the ocean. The sand will make it sink to the bottom, where it will be covered with sediment, trapping its carbon.

]]> By: Brad Arnold http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/25/noaa-methane-levels-2008/#comment-42966 Brad Arnold Tue, 28 Apr 2009 05:02:38 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6013#comment-42966 The real sleeper in global warming senarios isn't the permafrost above water (NASCAR predicts that 50% of surface permafrost will melt by 2050, and over 90% by 2100!), it is submarine permafrost. For example, an area six times the size of Germany containing about 540 billion tons of carbon off the coast of Siberia. That submarine permafrost is perilously close to thawing. Three to 12 kilometers from the coast the sea sediment is just below freezing. The permafrost has grown porous, there is a loss of rigor in the frozen sea floor, and the surrounding seawater is highly oversaturated with solute methane. "...Researchers were investigating "alarming" reports in the last few days of the release of methane from long frozen Arctic waters, possibly from the warming of the sea…” --"Arctic sea ice drops to 2nd lowest level on record," AP, 27 Aug '08 “If the Siberian (submarine) permafrost-seal thaws completely and all the stored gas escapes, the methane content of the planet's atmosphere would increase twelve fold. The result would be catastrophic global warming.” --"A Storehouse of Greenhouse Gases Is Opening in Siberia," Spiegel, 17 April '08 It is important to note that natural methane emissions from melting permafrost (or the "compost effect" of microbial activity) are not included in current climate models. In my opinion, natural methane emissions from melting methane hydrate will soon overwhelm any cuts we make to our emissions (did I say cuts?): The world's emissions of the main planet-warming gas carbon dioxide will rise over 50 percent to more than 42 billion tonnes per year from 2005 to 2030 as China leads a rise in burning coal, the U.S. government forecast on Wednesday. China's coal demand will rise 3.2 percent annually from 2005 to 2030, the Energy Information Administration said in its International Energy Outlook 2008. --Reuters, 26 June 2008 The real sleeper in global warming senarios isn’t the permafrost above water (NASCAR predicts that 50% of surface permafrost will melt by 2050, and over 90% by 2100!), it is submarine permafrost. For example, an area six times the size of Germany containing about 540 billion tons of carbon off the coast of Siberia. That submarine permafrost is perilously close to thawing. Three to 12 kilometers from the coast the sea sediment is just below freezing. The permafrost has grown porous, there is a loss of rigor in the frozen sea floor, and the surrounding seawater is highly oversaturated with solute methane.

“…Researchers were investigating “alarming” reports in the last few days of the release of methane from long frozen Arctic waters, possibly from the warming of the sea…” –”Arctic sea ice drops to 2nd lowest level on record,” AP, 27 Aug ‘08

“If the Siberian (submarine) permafrost-seal thaws completely and all the stored gas escapes, the methane content of the planet’s atmosphere would increase twelve fold. The result would be catastrophic global warming.” –”A Storehouse of Greenhouse Gases Is Opening in Siberia,” Spiegel, 17 April ‘08

It is important to note that natural methane emissions from melting permafrost (or the “compost effect” of microbial activity) are not included in current climate models. In my opinion, natural methane emissions from melting methane hydrate will soon overwhelm any cuts we make to our emissions (did I say cuts?):

The world’s emissions of the main planet-warming gas carbon dioxide will rise over 50 percent to more than 42 billion tonnes per year from 2005 to 2030 as China leads a rise in burning coal, the U.S. government forecast on Wednesday. China’s coal demand will rise 3.2 percent annually from 2005 to 2030, the Energy Information Administration said in its International Energy Outlook 2008. –Reuters, 26 June 2008

]]> By: paulm http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/25/noaa-methane-levels-2008/#comment-42493 paulm Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:42:53 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6013#comment-42493 Depends what you mean by save, Gail. We are certainly going to see 2-3dC+ in the near future no matter what we do (unless there is a miracle). And who knows how much higher it will get once it reaches that level. 3dC is a very different planet. I doubt civilization as we know it now will survive that. Depends what you mean by save, Gail.

We are certainly going to see 2-3dC+ in the near future no matter what we do (unless there is a miracle). And who knows how much higher it will get once it reaches that level.

3dC is a very different planet. I doubt civilization as we know it now will survive that.

]]> By: Richard Levangie http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/25/noaa-methane-levels-2008/#comment-42462 Richard Levangie Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:08:55 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6013#comment-42462 I wrote a few days ago about the need to engage the artistic community in the process in a post called <i>The Death of Literature</i>. Scientists have been tirelessly warning us for the last decade, and now we need creativity and passion to jump start a movement, and command the world's attention. http://one-blue-marble.com/blog/?p=384 I wrote a few days ago about the need to engage the artistic community in the process in a post called The Death of Literature. Scientists have been tirelessly warning us for the last decade, and now we need creativity and passion to jump start a movement, and command the world’s attention.

http://one-blue-marble.com/blog/?p=384

]]> By: Gail http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/25/noaa-methane-levels-2008/#comment-42372 Gail Mon, 27 Apr 2009 00:21:07 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6013#comment-42372 Well, pilot soldier, if the government is deliberately creating chemtrails to combat climate change, it's not working! Here in New Jersey, spring has ceased to exist. This past week we went from frost 3 mornings to 2 days over 90 degrees and 3 more to follow. No rain. The early leaves are hanging, wilted. If this is April, which it is last time I checked, then we can expect widespread crop failures at harvest time. Just watched Joe R on 60 minutes. Did that guy Rogers from Duke Energy basically admit that we're NOT going to be able to save the planet?? Well, pilot soldier, if the government is deliberately creating chemtrails to combat climate change, it’s not working! Here in New Jersey, spring has ceased to exist. This past week we went from frost 3 mornings to 2 days over 90 degrees and 3 more to follow. No rain. The early leaves are hanging, wilted.

If this is April, which it is last time I checked, then we can expect widespread crop failures at harvest time.

Just watched Joe R on 60 minutes. Did that guy Rogers from Duke Energy basically admit that we’re NOT going to be able to save the planet??

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/25/noaa-methane-levels-2008/#comment-42315 David B. Benson Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:03:39 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6013#comment-42315 ecostew --- I grow rather tired of your tirade in which it is clear you have made no attempt to read the relevant literature. Biochar review: http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/node/578 ecostew — I grow rather tired of your tirade in which it is clear you have made no attempt to read the relevant literature.

Biochar review:

http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/node/578

]]> By: Will Greene http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/25/noaa-methane-levels-2008/#comment-42300 Will Greene Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:20:16 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6013#comment-42300 K Nockels, it clearly hasn't been silent on the scientist front, Hansen is a great example, but how many have really stuck their neck out there as far as becoming politically active? It's like they (you) tell us we're headed for catastrophe, and what then? How can they then just go back to their labs, classrooms, ect? The world is CRYING OUT for a MASSIVE education campaign by climate SCIENTISTS, beyond what we're seeing now. The absence of such a campaign suggests the science is not clear enough to act. We here thanks to Dr. Romm, know that's not the case, but that's how it plays to the populace. K Nockels, it clearly hasn’t been silent on the scientist front, Hansen is a great example, but how many have really stuck their neck out there as far as becoming politically active? It’s like they (you) tell us we’re headed for catastrophe, and what then? How can they then just go back to their labs, classrooms, ect? The world is CRYING OUT for a MASSIVE education campaign by climate SCIENTISTS, beyond what we’re seeing now. The absence of such a campaign suggests the science is not clear enough to act. We here thanks to Dr. Romm, know that’s not the case, but that’s how it plays to the populace.

]]> By: pilot soldier http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/25/noaa-methane-levels-2008/#comment-42292 pilot soldier Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:02:46 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6013#comment-42292 hello....i'm sorry but....they are already doing it.....it's call "atmospheric geoengineering".....chemical trails people...."chemtrails".....they mix something with the jet fuel.......look in the sky people THEY ARE ALREADY DOING IT http://www.infowars.com/the-government-is-already-geo-engineering-the-environment/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuP9KYgSUcQ they are trying to create an artificial sunscreen. geoengineering it's REAL, and it's happening right now hello….i’m sorry but….they are already doing it…..it’s call “atmospheric geoengineering”…..chemical trails people….”chemtrails”…..they mix something with the jet fuel…….look in the sky people THEY ARE ALREADY DOING IT

http://www.infowars.com/ the-government-is-already-geo-engineering-the-environment/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuP9KYgSUcQ

they are trying to create an artificial sunscreen.

geoengineering it’s REAL, and it’s happening right now

]]> By: K Nockels http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/25/noaa-methane-levels-2008/#comment-42282 K Nockels Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:27:02 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6013#comment-42282 I use to feel so frustrated with the lack of real warnings coming from the science community but that has certainly changed in the last two years. I always felt that if THE PEOPLE of our planet had solid good science warnings from the science community that we would see what we had to do and get it done if for no other reason than our children. It seems the wake-up calls keep coming faster and faster and most people have only just started to notice. With most taking the view that it does not apply to them. Change my life style NOT ME! let someone else do it. When it comes to WHAT WILL IT TAKE for everyone to get it, I'm really scared how far that will mean we have to go down the road toward 6c and that by than we may have gone to far. I see us on a razor's edge. The projections are mostly based on gradual warming and the simulations that include tipping points are not included in the IPCC report. They seem to be falling farther behind with each report. The change is happening so fast that even some scientists are telling us they are having trouble keeping up. We seem to have some solutions to parts of the problem but TIME it seems waits for no man or woman to GET IT! And this TIME some are telling us we have left to turn things around is shrinking fast, how close are we really from the edge? I have been personally involved in raising awareness (and living accordingly) of Global Warming/Climate Change since 1998. I use to feel so frustrated with the lack of real warnings coming from the science community but that has certainly changed in the last two years. I always felt that if THE PEOPLE of our planet had solid good science warnings from the science community that we would see what we had to do and get it done if for no other reason than our children. It seems the wake-up calls keep coming faster and faster and most people have only just started to notice. With most taking the view that it does not apply to them. Change my life style NOT ME! let someone else do it. When it comes to WHAT WILL IT TAKE for everyone to get it, I’m really scared how far that will mean we have to go down the road toward 6c and that by than we may have gone to far. I see us on a razor’s edge. The projections are mostly based on gradual warming and the simulations that include tipping points are not included in the IPCC report. They seem to be falling farther behind with each report. The change is happening so fast that even some scientists are telling us they are having trouble keeping up. We seem to have some solutions to parts of the problem but TIME it seems waits for no man or woman to GET IT! And this TIME some are telling us we have left to turn things around is shrinking fast, how close are we really from the edge? I have been personally involved in raising awareness (and living accordingly) of Global Warming/Climate Change since 1998.

]]> By: Gail http://climateprogress.org/2009/04/25/noaa-methane-levels-2008/#comment-42260 Gail Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:15:48 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6013#comment-42260 Thanks, Hmpf for moving us past the offensive Weed comment! Joe R, what do you think about a massive ad campaign on tv, in theaters, in magazines and newspapers? What about proposing a collective effort by groups like the Union of Concerned Scientists, WWF, the Doris Duke Foundation, and other environmental organizations to collaborate on fundraising for a coordinated campaign - and then hire some fantastically creative advertising firm to develop the program? Perhaps the focus could be 1) educating the public on the problem and 2) encouraging the public to write their elected representatives and demand that they support Obama's energy policies. Sigh, I wish I was more than just a chicken farmer. Thanks, Hmpf for moving us past the offensive Weed comment!

Joe R, what do you think about a massive ad campaign on tv, in theaters, in magazines and newspapers? What about proposing a collective effort by groups like the Union of Concerned Scientists, WWF, the Doris Duke Foundation, and other environmental organizations to collaborate on fundraising for a coordinated campaign – and then hire some fantastically creative advertising firm to develop the program? Perhaps the focus could be 1) educating the public on the problem and 2) encouraging the public to write their elected representatives and demand that they support Obama’s energy policies.

Sigh, I wish I was more than just a chicken farmer.

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