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	<title>Comments on: Memo to NBC&#8217;s Chuck Todd:  Energy and climate shake up the traditional political categories.</title>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/chuck-todd-moderate/#comment-56310</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck Todd is a fantastic correspondent who is seldom accused of &#039;dubious sloppy&#039; reporting. Speaking of which, can&#039;t you just leave in your attack rather than striking it through to leave it still readable. That&#039;s OK for humour but when you are attacking an individual reporter it isn&#039;t very classy. 

As for Chuck&#039;s &#039;this Congress&#039; comment I think he was referring to the highly partisan (0 Congressional Republican votes for Stimulus as an example) and fractured nature of the Democratic side, rather than Congress as a 2-year time period.

Finally, for someone who understands the value of rhetoric and public perception, I would have thought that you could do better than meticulously critiquing a very popular and talented MSNBC Political Director. This sort of sarcastic, acerbic blog-post is probably what turns a lot of mainstream folks off the ultra-activists.

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  Your entire argument applies to Todd&#039;s blog post itself.  By blogging on relatively trivial political matters, Todd is I think hurting his &quot;brand.&quot;  That&#039;s his choice, but you don&#039;t get a free ride in the blogosphere just because you&#039;re &quot;popular and talented.&quot;  I can&#039;t imagine you believe that.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck Todd is a fantastic correspondent who is seldom accused of &#8216;dubious sloppy&#8217; reporting. Speaking of which, can&#8217;t you just leave in your attack rather than striking it through to leave it still readable. That&#8217;s OK for humour but when you are attacking an individual reporter it isn&#8217;t very classy. </p>
<p>As for Chuck&#8217;s &#8216;this Congress&#8217; comment I think he was referring to the highly partisan (0 Congressional Republican votes for Stimulus as an example) and fractured nature of the Democratic side, rather than Congress as a 2-year time period.</p>
<p>Finally, for someone who understands the value of rhetoric and public perception, I would have thought that you could do better than meticulously critiquing a very popular and talented MSNBC Political Director. This sort of sarcastic, acerbic blog-post is probably what turns a lot of mainstream folks off the ultra-activists.</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  Your entire argument applies to Todd's blog post itself.  By blogging on relatively trivial political matters, Todd is I think hurting his "brand."  That's his choice, but you don't get a free ride in the blogosphere just because you're "popular and talented."  I can't imagine you believe that.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: PaulK</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/chuck-todd-moderate/#comment-56137</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 04:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

If you&#039;ll let me respond. All I need to know is that W-M is a terribly wrong approach. So far, your only criticism of a carbon tax is that it is not politically possible. That is no argument. Was President Obama politically possible? Don&#039;t be afraid of a thoughtful comparison of Flake - Lipinski and Waxman - Markey.

Here are two criteria. 
Simplicity:
A carbon tax is easily assessed and collected. In fact, we already have a carbon tax in the form of gasoline, natural gas, heating oil and electrical utility taxes. The infrastructure of a carbon tax is already in place. It can be implemented immediately. 
Wax - Mar won&#039;t go into effect for several years, requires the establishment of a bureaucratically regulated market, and, among other complexities, adds burdensome paperwork to both the private sector and governments at all levels. 
A carbon tax is easily understood. Parts of W - M are undecipherable.

Security from favoritism, cronyism, graft, fraud, manipulation and other abuses: 
Have we learned nothing from Enron, Fannie Mae, hedge funds and ethanol subsidies? Waxman - Markey is an open door to corruption. Already, the bill is filled with special favors and exception doled out to special interests and their lobbyist. A carbon tax avoids these problems.

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  This is getting tiresome and I&#039;m not going to let you just keep posting arguments that have been thoroughly debunked.  It is only your imaginary carbon tax that is simple.  Jeez, have you ever looked at the US tax code?  Do you pay U.S. taxes?  the carbon tax that could pass the U.S. Congress -- which is an oxymoron since a carbon tax could not pass the U.S. Congress, but let&#039;s jump part way into your imaginary world -- would be just as complicated as the cap-and-trade.  It is the issue and the politics that are complicated, not the policy.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ll let me respond. All I need to know is that W-M is a terribly wrong approach. So far, your only criticism of a carbon tax is that it is not politically possible. That is no argument. Was President Obama politically possible? Don&#8217;t be afraid of a thoughtful comparison of Flake &#8211; Lipinski and Waxman &#8211; Markey.</p>
<p>Here are two criteria.<br />
Simplicity:<br />
A carbon tax is easily assessed and collected. In fact, we already have a carbon tax in the form of gasoline, natural gas, heating oil and electrical utility taxes. The infrastructure of a carbon tax is already in place. It can be implemented immediately.<br />
Wax &#8211; Mar won&#8217;t go into effect for several years, requires the establishment of a bureaucratically regulated market, and, among other complexities, adds burdensome paperwork to both the private sector and governments at all levels.<br />
A carbon tax is easily understood. Parts of W &#8211; M are undecipherable.</p>
<p>Security from favoritism, cronyism, graft, fraud, manipulation and other abuses:<br />
Have we learned nothing from Enron, Fannie Mae, hedge funds and ethanol subsidies? Waxman &#8211; Markey is an open door to corruption. Already, the bill is filled with special favors and exception doled out to special interests and their lobbyist. A carbon tax avoids these problems.</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  This is getting tiresome and I'm not going to let you just keep posting arguments that have been thoroughly debunked.  It is only your imaginary carbon tax that is simple.  Jeez, have you ever looked at the US tax code?  Do you pay U.S. taxes?  the carbon tax that could pass the U.S. Congress -- which is an oxymoron since a carbon tax could not pass the U.S. Congress, but let's jump part way into your imaginary world -- would be just as complicated as the cap-and-trade.  It is the issue and the politics that are complicated, not the policy.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: PaulK</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/chuck-todd-moderate/#comment-55888</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My congressman Dan Lipinski (Dem. IL) has introduced a bipartisan carbon tax bill that he says is more effective, less complicated, easier to implement and administer and less likely to invite graft, fraud and abuse than Waxman-Markey. It even has Republican cosponsors.

[&lt;em&gt;JR: &quot;Even&quot;?  The fact that it has any should tell you all you need to know.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My congressman Dan Lipinski (Dem. IL) has introduced a bipartisan carbon tax bill that he says is more effective, less complicated, easier to implement and administer and less likely to invite graft, fraud and abuse than Waxman-Markey. It even has Republican cosponsors.</p>
<p>[<em>JR: "Even"?  The fact that it has any should tell you all you need to know.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Lieberman</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/chuck-todd-moderate/#comment-55865</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Lieberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that Mr. Todd is projecting his own apparent lack of interest and engagement with the issue onto others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that Mr. Todd is projecting his own apparent lack of interest and engagement with the issue onto others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jade A.</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/chuck-todd-moderate/#comment-55737</link>
		<dc:creator>Jade A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 17:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Chuck Todd just got owned. LOL@ &quot;Stuff like this in official blog post can immediately cost folks credibility with readers of said blog posts&quot;. You know I really liked Chuck Todds&#039; electoral map commentary during the presidential campaign. He was very methodical in his analysis, and had a prowess for electoral politics like no other. However since he&#039;s been upgraded to Washington Bureau Chief for NBC, he&#039;s been lacking. His political analysis does not provide the audience with a greater perspective and understanding of the topic at hand. His reporting sort comes off as amateurish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Chuck Todd just got owned. LOL@ &#8220;Stuff like this in official blog post can immediately cost folks credibility with readers of said blog posts&#8221;. You know I really liked Chuck Todds&#8217; electoral map commentary during the presidential campaign. He was very methodical in his analysis, and had a prowess for electoral politics like no other. However since he&#8217;s been upgraded to Washington Bureau Chief for NBC, he&#8217;s been lacking. His political analysis does not provide the audience with a greater perspective and understanding of the topic at hand. His reporting sort comes off as amateurish.</p>
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		<title>By: SecularAnimist</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/chuck-todd-moderate/#comment-55723</link>
		<dc:creator>SecularAnimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 16:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wince at the use of the term &quot;moderate&quot; as a euphemism for &quot;beholden to the fossil fuel and automobile corporations who have a financial interest in business-as-usual consumption of fossil fuels&quot;.

Climate change is in no way whatsoever an &quot;ideological&quot; issue.  The fact that climate change denialism and obstructionism has become an article of faith for so-called &quot;conservatives&quot; merely demonstrates the obvious -- that so-called &quot;conservatism&quot; in America today is a fake, phony, trumped-up, scripted, focus-group-tested, teleprompted, corporate-sponsored pseudo-ideology that is deployed to bamboozle weak-minded, ignorant Ditto-Heads into parroting whatever propaganda America&#039;s ultra-rich corporate oligarchs want to pay Rush Limbaugh to spew to his zombie audience.

The so-called &quot;conservative&quot; Republicans and so-called &quot;moderate&quot; Democrats who are busily denying climate change or obstructing or watering down action to deal with it, don&#039;t have an &quot;ideological&quot; bone in their bodies.  They are simply bought-and-paid for shills for the fossil fuel and/or automobile corporations, doing what they are told to do by their corporate owners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wince at the use of the term &#8220;moderate&#8221; as a euphemism for &#8220;beholden to the fossil fuel and automobile corporations who have a financial interest in business-as-usual consumption of fossil fuels&#8221;.</p>
<p>Climate change is in no way whatsoever an &#8220;ideological&#8221; issue.  The fact that climate change denialism and obstructionism has become an article of faith for so-called &#8220;conservatives&#8221; merely demonstrates the obvious &#8212; that so-called &#8220;conservatism&#8221; in America today is a fake, phony, trumped-up, scripted, focus-group-tested, teleprompted, corporate-sponsored pseudo-ideology that is deployed to bamboozle weak-minded, ignorant Ditto-Heads into parroting whatever propaganda America&#8217;s ultra-rich corporate oligarchs want to pay Rush Limbaugh to spew to his zombie audience.</p>
<p>The so-called &#8220;conservative&#8221; Republicans and so-called &#8220;moderate&#8221; Democrats who are busily denying climate change or obstructing or watering down action to deal with it, don&#8217;t have an &#8220;ideological&#8221; bone in their bodies.  They are simply bought-and-paid for shills for the fossil fuel and/or automobile corporations, doing what they are told to do by their corporate owners.</p>
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