Comments on: Global warming’s “Six Americas” http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/global-warming%e2%80%99s-six-americas/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:25:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Chris Winter http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/global-warming%e2%80%99s-six-americas/#comment-57137 Chris Winter Thu, 21 May 2009 23:13:37 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6894#comment-57137 Firefox problem solved, with guidance from Mozilla online help. I changed the Acrobat application setting from "Use Adobe Acrobat" to "Use Adobe Reader." Works fine now. Firefox problem solved, with guidance from Mozilla online help. I changed the Acrobat application setting from “Use Adobe Acrobat” to “Use Adobe Reader.” Works fine now.

]]> By: Chris Winter http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/global-warming%e2%80%99s-six-americas/#comment-57082 Chris Winter Thu, 21 May 2009 20:46:07 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6894#comment-57082 Cutting and pasting the URL gave me the same result in Firefox. But it worked fine in IE6. Go figure. Cutting and pasting the URL gave me the same result in Firefox. But it worked fine in IE6. Go figure.

]]> By: Chris Winter http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/global-warming%e2%80%99s-six-americas/#comment-56991 Chris Winter Thu, 21 May 2009 17:20:35 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6894#comment-56991 When I click the link for the full report, Acrobat Reader tells me the document is damaged and cannot be repaired. I've e-mailed the Center for American Progress to let them know. Judging by the comments here, other people are not having this trouble. Both my browser and the Reader are up to date. I have no idea what the cause could be. [<em>JR: Works for me. Try cutting and pasting this: http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/05/pdf/6americas.pdf</em>] When I click the link for the full report, Acrobat Reader tells me the document is damaged and cannot be repaired. I’ve e-mailed the Center for American Progress to let them know.

Judging by the comments here, other people are not having this trouble. Both my browser and the Reader are up to date. I have no idea what the cause could be.

[JR: Works for me. Try cutting and pasting this:
http://www.americanprogress.org/ issues/ 2009/ 05/ pdf/ 6americas.pdf]

]]> By: Lou Grinzo http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/global-warming%e2%80%99s-six-americas/#comment-56331 Lou Grinzo Wed, 20 May 2009 15:04:55 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6894#comment-56331 Bill: I think the disparity between wanting to regulate CO2 and living with a CAT system is the typical abstract vs. concrete schism we see all the time in public opinion. They like the strategy but not the tactics necessary to achieve that strategy. I think the term "cap and trade" also trips up some people. They don't know exactly what it means--will they have to account for their personal CO2 emissions and buy permits? how much will it push up prices?--so they're hesitant to support it. Overall this seems like a terrific report, and I can't wait to read it. Bill: I think the disparity between wanting to regulate CO2 and living with a CAT system is the typical abstract vs. concrete schism we see all the time in public opinion. They like the strategy but not the tactics necessary to achieve that strategy.

I think the term “cap and trade” also trips up some people. They don’t know exactly what it means–will they have to account for their personal CO2 emissions and buy permits? how much will it push up prices?–so they’re hesitant to support it.

Overall this seems like a terrific report, and I can’t wait to read it.

]]> By: Bill Becker http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/global-warming%e2%80%99s-six-americas/#comment-56307 Bill Becker Wed, 20 May 2009 13:45:18 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6894#comment-56307 There were some other interesting findings in this report: Figure 13: "None of the six Americas are fully confident that humans both can and will successfully reduce global warming." How much has this attitude been shaped by the many apocalyptic visions of the future now in the media? (Joe and I have posted in the past about the need to visualize the positive future would could create if we tried.) Figures 19 and 22: These charts indicate much stronger support for regulating CO2 than for cap-and-trade. Is Congress out of synch with the people on this and too timid about regulating? Figure 23: Few have contacted Congress on climate change. It appears that groups like 1Sky and the Alliance for Climate Protection -- both undertaking grassroots campaigns to press for bold congressional action -- have their work cut out for them. There were some other interesting findings in this report:

Figure 13: “None of the six Americas are fully confident that humans both can and will successfully reduce global warming.” How much has this attitude been shaped by the many apocalyptic visions of the future now in the media? (Joe and I have posted in the past about the need to visualize the positive future would could create if we tried.)

Figures 19 and 22: These charts indicate much stronger support for regulating CO2 than for cap-and-trade. Is Congress out of synch with the people on this and too timid about regulating?

Figure 23: Few have contacted Congress on climate change. It appears that groups like 1Sky and the Alliance for Climate Protection — both undertaking grassroots campaigns to press for bold congressional action — have their work cut out for them.

]]> By: dan satterfield http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/global-warming%e2%80%99s-six-americas/#comment-56127 dan satterfield Wed, 20 May 2009 04:32:02 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6894#comment-56127 A few years ago, if I showed anything to do with climate on air, I would get a lot of email along the lines of "your a global warming alarmist, or it's all a hoax, why don't you report that. Just subjectively, it seems that I get considerably less of that now. My first thought on reading the poll numbers above, was that the dismissive category seemed about right. I frequently have people tell me they are "confused" on the issue and unsure what to believe. Most of these people, were doubters not long ago I think. The overwhelming science is getting through. Many synoptic forecasters, with little experience on the climate side of Meteorology, were avid doubters just 4 years ago, but I have noticed a big change there as well. Dan A few years ago, if I showed anything to do with climate on air, I would get a lot of email along the lines of “your a global warming alarmist, or it’s all a hoax, why don’t you report that.

Just subjectively, it seems that I get considerably less of that now. My first thought on reading the poll numbers above, was that the dismissive category seemed about right.

I frequently have people tell me they are “confused” on the issue and unsure what to believe. Most of these people, were doubters not long ago I think. The overwhelming science is getting through.

Many synoptic forecasters, with little experience on the climate side of Meteorology, were avid doubters just 4 years ago, but I have noticed a big change there as well.

Dan

]]> By: Richard L http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/global-warming%e2%80%99s-six-americas/#comment-56117 Richard L Wed, 20 May 2009 04:18:56 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6894#comment-56117 I would love to believe these results - but I can't help wonder if the sample population is representative of our population in general. I bump into people constantly who know almost nothing about GW - just unaware, not on their radar, semi-literate, never use a computer, etc..... I would love to believe these results – but I can’t help wonder if the sample population is representative of our population in general. I bump into people constantly who know almost nothing about GW – just unaware, not on their radar, semi-literate, never use a computer, etc…..

]]> By: Deborah Fisher http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/global-warming%e2%80%99s-six-americas/#comment-55835 Deborah Fisher Tue, 19 May 2009 20:29:07 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6894#comment-55835 This Dan Ariely talk made me think of this post, and the larger problem of messaging/creating policy. If the environment is constructed so as to make low-emitting choices easy, there's no need to work at converting stragglers: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dan_ariely_asks_are_we_in_control_of_our_own_decisions.html This Dan Ariely talk made me think of this post, and the larger problem of messaging/creating policy. If the environment is constructed so as to make low-emitting choices easy, there’s no need to work at converting stragglers:

http://www.ted.com/ index.php/ talks/ dan_ariely_asks_are_we_in_control_of_our_own_decisions.html

]]> By: David Freeman http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/global-warming%e2%80%99s-six-americas/#comment-55829 David Freeman Tue, 19 May 2009 20:15:06 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6894#comment-55829 Excellent very informative report. A lot of the Cautious to Doubtful folks that I meet have been confused/fooled by the Inhofe/Morano disinformation campaign claims that many scientist are skeptical and even disdainful of AGW claims. Some of them could be influenced by a well designed poll of scientists. I haven't seen one. If one exists or if a new poll of scientists were performed, it would be great to see a similar graphic breakdown. That would be powerful. Just imagine a graph called "Six Catagories of Climate Scientists"! Excellent very informative report.

A lot of the Cautious to Doubtful folks that I meet have been confused/fooled by the Inhofe/Morano disinformation campaign claims that many scientist are skeptical and even disdainful of AGW claims.

Some of them could be influenced by a well designed poll of scientists. I haven’t seen one. If one exists or if a new poll of scientists were performed, it would be great to see a similar graphic breakdown. That would be powerful.

Just imagine a graph called “Six Catagories of Climate Scientists”!

]]> By: Yuebing http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/19/global-warming%e2%80%99s-six-americas/#comment-55826 Yuebing Tue, 19 May 2009 20:10:29 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=6894#comment-55826 (ditto) Surprisingly optimistic graphs! I wonder what these graphs would look like for countries that are making real progress on GHG reductions? Norway? England? Be neat to have a whole globe's worth of this information. Red states, blue states also. And, what will these look like after one year of Chu, Zoi, Obama, etc? Guess I will have to print the first 79 pages and read them.... (ditto) Surprisingly optimistic graphs!

I wonder what these graphs would look like for countries that are making real progress on GHG reductions? Norway? England? Be neat to have a whole globe’s worth of this information. Red states, blue states also.

And, what will these look like after one year of Chu, Zoi, Obama, etc?

Guess I will have to print the first 79 pages and read them….

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