Comments on: Nature: Hurricanes ARE getting fiercer — and it’s going to get much worse http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/31/nature-hurricanes-are-getting-fiercer-%e2%80%94-and-it%e2%80%99s-going-to-get-much-worse/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:37:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: RunawayRose http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/31/nature-hurricanes-are-getting-fiercer-%e2%80%94-and-it%e2%80%99s-going-to-get-much-worse/#comment-133719 RunawayRose Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:09:23 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7313#comment-133719 More wierd-looking possible bot posts at #24, #25, #26. All done today, too. More wierd-looking possible bot posts at #24, #25, #26. All done today, too.

]]> By: ccpo http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/31/nature-hurricanes-are-getting-fiercer-%e2%80%94-and-it%e2%80%99s-going-to-get-much-worse/#comment-79997 ccpo Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:52:07 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7313#comment-79997 Reddington: Weather is not climate. One season is not climate. Look at the long-term trend. THAT is climate. Query: any of you ever met an intellectually honest denialist? I can honestly say I have not. Ms. Fisher: I say stop letting the denialists set the agenda. Speak the truth. If you were in a public debate with a pedophile, a rapist, a swindler... would you let them set the agenda? I consider the intentional lying about climate change to be a crime against humanity. Cheers Reddington:

Weather is not climate. One season is not climate. Look at the long-term trend. THAT is climate.

Query: any of you ever met an intellectually honest denialist? I can honestly say I have not.

Ms. Fisher:

I say stop letting the denialists set the agenda. Speak the truth. If you were in a public debate with a pedophile, a rapist, a swindler… would you let them set the agenda?

I consider the intentional lying about climate change to be a crime against humanity.

Cheers

]]> By: K L Reddington http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/31/nature-hurricanes-are-getting-fiercer-%e2%80%94-and-it%e2%80%99s-going-to-get-much-worse/#comment-64756 K L Reddington Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:40:15 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7313#comment-64756 MIAMI (Reuters) - Cooler sea temperatures and a possible El Nino prompted the Colorado State University forecast team to reduce its Atlantic storm season prediction on Tuesday to 11 tropical storms, including five hurricanes. In its April forecast, the noted CSU team founded by forecasting pioneer Bill Gray said the season would see 12 storms, including six hurricanes. That forecast had been reduced from one issued in December, when the season was expected to produce 14 storms and seven hurricanes. For the current season, which officially began on Monday and ends on November 30, two of the five hurricanes are expected to develop into "major" storms of Category 3 or higher on the Saffir-Simpson scale of hurricane intensity. Major hurricanes have sustained winds above 110 mph (177 mph). http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5513UP20090602 MIAMI (Reuters) – Cooler sea temperatures and a possible El Nino prompted the Colorado State University forecast team to reduce its Atlantic storm season prediction on Tuesday to 11 tropical storms, including five hurricanes.

In its April forecast, the noted CSU team founded by forecasting pioneer Bill Gray said the season would see 12 storms, including six hurricanes. That forecast had been reduced from one issued in December, when the season was expected to produce 14 storms and seven hurricanes.

For the current season, which officially began on Monday and ends on November 30, two of the five hurricanes are expected to develop into “major” storms of Category 3 or higher on the Saffir-Simpson scale of hurricane intensity. Major hurricanes have sustained winds above 110 mph (177 mph).

http://www.reuters.com/ article/ topNews/ idUSTRE5513UP20090602

]]> By: Deborah Fisher http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/31/nature-hurricanes-are-getting-fiercer-%e2%80%94-and-it%e2%80%99s-going-to-get-much-worse/#comment-64357 Deborah Fisher Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:18:35 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7313#comment-64357 See Anne v. KL Reddington if you want clarification about why I posted. I think that talking about hurricanes, while obviously important and factual, has this nasty side effects of <b>Bringing Out The Worst In Us</b> and <b>Starting An Argument When There Is No Time</b>. Climate Progress obviously should be a place where the <i>climogscenti </i> go head and do battle over important ideas, and confuse the point in the process. But this same <i>climoscenti</i> also needs to borrow one page from the GOP playbook and get its shiny, positive, plausible narrative together before it goes out in public on this topic. See Anne v. KL Reddington if you want clarification about why I posted. I think that talking about hurricanes, while obviously important and factual, has this nasty side effects of Bringing Out The Worst In Us and Starting An Argument When There Is No Time.

Climate Progress obviously should be a place where the climogscenti go head and do battle over important ideas, and confuse the point in the process. But this same climoscenti also needs to borrow one page from the GOP playbook and get its shiny, positive, plausible narrative together before it goes out in public on this topic.

]]> By: Deborah Fisher http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/31/nature-hurricanes-are-getting-fiercer-%e2%80%94-and-it%e2%80%99s-going-to-get-much-worse/#comment-64351 Deborah Fisher Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:09:43 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7313#comment-64351 Joe wrote: [JR: I don't see myself as focusing on hurricanes -- they are under 1% of my posts, but hurricane season starts today, so it is timely. Also, I don't view this blog as preaching to be unconverted -- don't have the readership. It is mostly about informing those who want to be informed.] My bad: I thought I was being obvious because I see the points you made as being obvious ones, but on second reading I was not. I was just throwing my opinion out there for those of us in the readership who do concern ourselves with preaching to the unconverted. Joe wrote:

[JR: I don't see myself as focusing on hurricanes -- they are under 1% of my posts, but hurricane season starts today, so it is timely. Also, I don't view this blog as preaching to be unconverted -- don't have the readership. It is mostly about informing those who want to be informed.]

My bad: I thought I was being obvious because I see the points you made as being obvious ones, but on second reading I was not. I was just throwing my opinion out there for those of us in the readership who do concern ourselves with preaching to the unconverted.

]]> By: Edward Greisch http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/31/nature-hurricanes-are-getting-fiercer-%e2%80%94-and-it%e2%80%99s-going-to-get-much-worse/#comment-64346 Edward Greisch Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:58:51 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7313#comment-64346 I greatly fear that Joe Romm's numbers are very serious UNDER estimates. Reality has gotten ahead of so many of the model predictions already. The models are too linear, but good representations of our knowledge. The trouble is that we don't know much about the non-linearities. I'm solving the hurricane problem by not living near an ocean and not living near sea level. James Lovelock has something to say to K L Reddington: The climate has a number of steady states. In between steady states, the climate may oscillate wildly. It is like electron energy levels in quantum mechanics. Just because you haven't been blown away by a hurricane recently doesn't mean one isn't coming or that global warming has stopped. The Younger Dryas was an oscillation back to the ice age that lasted 1000 years, but Holocene warmth returned. I greatly fear that Joe Romm’s numbers are very serious UNDER estimates. Reality has gotten ahead of so many of the model predictions already. The models are too linear, but good representations of our knowledge. The trouble is that we don’t know much about the non-linearities. I’m solving the hurricane problem by not living near an ocean and not living near sea level. James Lovelock has something to say to K L Reddington: The climate has a number of steady states. In between steady states, the climate may oscillate wildly. It is like electron energy levels in quantum mechanics. Just because you haven’t been blown away by a hurricane recently doesn’t mean one isn’t coming or that global warming has stopped. The Younger Dryas was an oscillation back to the ice age that lasted 1000 years, but Holocene warmth returned.

]]> By: Asteroid Miner http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/31/nature-hurricanes-are-getting-fiercer-%e2%80%94-and-it%e2%80%99s-going-to-get-much-worse/#comment-64338 Asteroid Miner Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:43:41 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7313#comment-64338 K L Reddington: Fear mongering NOT. 200,000 American coal miners have died because of coal since coal became a fuel. 24000 Americans die each year because of pollution from coal. 1 Million Chinese die from coal pollution every year. Chinese industrial grade coal contains so much arsenic that heating your food with it causes death from arsenic poisoning. Besides arsenic, coal also contains enough uranium and thorium to run our nuclear power plants for many centuries. Coal is the #1 source of non-background radiation. Coal is the #1 contributor to the CO2 in global warming. Coal for electricity alone causes 40% of our CO2 output. Coal is used in many industrial processes where it also produces CO2. Coal contains BENZENE, the substance used to cause intentional cancer in guinea pigs. Benzene from coal and petroleum may account for most cancers, and the cancers are not counted in the deaths above. The only proper thing to do with coal is to leave it in the ground. K L Reddington: Fear mongering NOT. 200,000 American coal miners have died because of coal since coal became a fuel. 24000 Americans die each year because of pollution from coal. 1 Million Chinese die from coal pollution every year. Chinese industrial grade coal contains so much arsenic that heating your food with it causes death from arsenic poisoning. Besides arsenic, coal also contains enough uranium and thorium to run our nuclear power plants for many centuries. Coal is the #1 source of non-background radiation. Coal is the #1 contributor to the CO2 in global warming. Coal for electricity alone causes 40% of our CO2 output. Coal is used in many industrial processes where it also produces CO2. Coal contains BENZENE, the substance used to cause intentional cancer in guinea pigs. Benzene from coal and petroleum may account for most cancers, and the cancers are not counted in the deaths above. The only proper thing to do with coal is to leave it in the ground.

]]> By: K L Reddington http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/31/nature-hurricanes-are-getting-fiercer-%e2%80%94-and-it%e2%80%99s-going-to-get-much-worse/#comment-64276 K L Reddington Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:05:15 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7313#comment-64276 "And fueling them, king coal. Death and destruction is at both ends of the coal cycle, from cradle to grave and grave back to cradle — let’s remind ourselves of the sacrifices made by human beings across the world dedicated to digging up fossils for the fuel to make hurricanes deadlier… " Fear mongering. The deaths from building hydroelectric plants are there also. Around 100 at hoover dam. The consequences of a dam break can be in the thousands. We have herds of cattle killed that were fed distillers grain from ethanol plants. It is interesting the last couple of years American hurrican activity is way down. “And fueling them, king coal. Death and destruction is at both ends of the coal cycle, from cradle to grave and grave back to cradle — let’s remind ourselves of the sacrifices made by human beings across the world dedicated to digging up fossils for the fuel to make hurricanes deadlier… ”

Fear mongering. The deaths from building hydroelectric plants are there also. Around 100 at hoover dam. The consequences of a dam break can be in the thousands.

We have herds of cattle killed that were fed distillers grain from ethanol plants.

It is interesting the last couple of years American hurrican activity is way down.

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/31/nature-hurricanes-are-getting-fiercer-%e2%80%94-and-it%e2%80%99s-going-to-get-much-worse/#comment-64248 David B. Benson Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:23:20 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7313#comment-64248 <b>Bob Wright</b> wrote "... and flood Wall Street." Well, some good with all the bad. :| Bob Wright wrote “… and flood Wall Street.”

Well, some good with all the bad. :|

]]> By: Anne http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/31/nature-hurricanes-are-getting-fiercer-%e2%80%94-and-it%e2%80%99s-going-to-get-much-worse/#comment-63978 Anne Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:48:02 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7313#comment-63978 And fueling them, king coal. Death and destruction is at both ends of the coal cycle, from cradle to grave and grave back to cradle --- let's remind ourselves of the sacrifices made by human beings across the world dedicated to digging up fossils for the fuel to make hurricanes deadlier... Gas blast at Chinese coal mine kills at least 30 Sat May 30, 2009 11:34am EDT (Updates death toll) BEIJING, May 30 (Reuters) - A gas explosion at a coal mine in southwestern China on Saturday killed at least 30 people, state media reported. The blast occurred at the Tonghua coal mine in Chongqing municipality, according to the official Xinhua news agency, which said 101 miners were rescued, of whom 59 were injured, four seriously. The Tonghua mine is affiliated with the state-owned Songzao Mining Bureau of Chongqing, it added. About 3,000 workers were killed in Chinese coal mines in 2008. (Reporting by Jason Subler and Li Jiansheng) And fueling them, king coal. Death and destruction is at both ends of the coal cycle, from cradle to grave and grave back to cradle — let’s remind ourselves of the sacrifices made by human beings across the world dedicated to digging up fossils for the fuel to make hurricanes deadlier…

Gas blast at Chinese coal mine kills at least 30
Sat May 30, 2009 11:34am EDT
(Updates death toll)

BEIJING, May 30 (Reuters) – A gas explosion at a coal mine in southwestern China on Saturday killed at least 30 people, state media reported.

The blast occurred at the Tonghua coal mine in Chongqing municipality, according to the official Xinhua news agency, which said 101 miners were rescued, of whom 59 were injured, four seriously.

The Tonghua mine is affiliated with the state-owned Songzao Mining Bureau of Chongqing, it added.

About 3,000 workers were killed in Chinese coal mines in 2008. (Reporting by Jason Subler and Li Jiansheng)

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