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	<title>Comments on: Energy and Global Warming News for June 2nd:  The seldom-seen devastation of climate change, Spain’s high-speed rail offers guideposts for U.S.</title>
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		<title>By: Halı Yıkama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halı Yıkama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To reduce water consumption.
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gar-mak.com&quot; title=&quot;Halı Yıkama&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Halı Yıkama&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To reduce water consumption.<br />
<strong><a href="http://www.gar-mak.com" title="Halı Yıkama" rel="nofollow">Halı Yıkama</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: dhogaza</title>
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		<dc:creator>dhogaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The ocean is actually far from acidic. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
But it is acidifying.   This is the proper term, just as we frequently say &quot;temperatures will begin warming tomorrow&quot; even if the change is from -20F to -15F.  
&lt;blockquote&gt;It is a fact that CO2 can’t be a corrosive agent when the PH is above 7.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Nobody claims CO2, per se, is a corrosive agent itself regardless of PH.  Go read the link provided by Bob Wright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The ocean is actually far from acidic. </p></blockquote>
<p>But it is acidifying.   This is the proper term, just as we frequently say &#8220;temperatures will begin warming tomorrow&#8221; even if the change is from -20F to -15F.  </p>
<blockquote><p>It is a fact that CO2 can’t be a corrosive agent when the PH is above 7.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Nobody claims CO2, per se, is a corrosive agent itself regardless of PH.  Go read the link provided by Bob Wright.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Seville, Spain and I travel to Madrid on the AVE.

Other ancillary benefits of train travel are 
1. train stations are in the middle of the city so you generally arrive a lot closer to your destination
2. you can check in 5 mins before departure and
3. no ridiculous security restrictions (you can bring liquids on board!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Seville, Spain and I travel to Madrid on the AVE.</p>
<p>Other ancillary benefits of train travel are<br />
1. train stations are in the middle of the city so you generally arrive a lot closer to your destination<br />
2. you can check in 5 mins before departure and<br />
3. no ridiculous security restrictions (you can bring liquids on board!)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a terrific link Bob, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a terrific link Bob, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KL:

Do a little more reading. What is happening with increasing CO2 dissolved in the oceans is increased carbonic acid concentration, and decreased pH, decreased carbonate ion and decreased aragonite (a CaCO3 crystal phase) saturation. This makes it harder for sea life that makes CaCO3 shells and body structures to make them, and at a certain pH these shells will &quot;corrode&quot;. A good primer:

http://coralreefwatch.noaa.gov/satellite/oa/description/oaps_intro_oa.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KL:</p>
<p>Do a little more reading. What is happening with increasing CO2 dissolved in the oceans is increased carbonic acid concentration, and decreased pH, decreased carbonate ion and decreased aragonite (a CaCO3 crystal phase) saturation. This makes it harder for sea life that makes CaCO3 shells and body structures to make them, and at a certain pH these shells will &#8220;corrode&#8221;. A good primer:</p>
<p><a href="http://coralreefwatch.noaa.gov/satellite/oa/description/oaps_intro_oa.html" rel="nofollow">http://coralreefwatch.noaa.gov/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>satellite/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>oa/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>description/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>oaps_intro_oa.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rick. I see Joe has it up now too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rick. I see Joe has it up now too.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulm, the prognosis is poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulm, the prognosis is poor.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gail sounds like they are being affected by climatitis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gail sounds like they are being affected by climatitis.</p>
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		<title>By: K L Reddington</title>
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		<dc:creator>K L Reddington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oceans naturally absorb carbon dioxide from the air. For nearly three decades, scientists have detected a steady increase in this absorption, corresponding to an increase in the &quot;greenhouse gases&quot; that hold heat in the atmosphere. One of those gases, carbon dioxide, produces carbonic acid in seawater. Under natural conditions, calcium concentrations in seawater buffer this acid. But the added impact from industrial emissions has overwhelmed this balance, the report concludes.

Scientists measure acidity by the &quot;pH&quot; scale familiar to every high school chemistry student. Since 1800, ice core measures show the ocean&#039;s average pH level has dropped from 8.2 to 8.1, making it 30% more corrosive, Feely says. Expected emissions will likely drop it to a pH of 7.9 this century, a 150% increase in acidity since 1800, he says.

From the article above.

Ocean acidification, a direct result of increased CO2 emission, is set to change the Earth’s marine ecosystems forever and may have a direct impact on our economy, resulting in substantial revenue declines and job losses.

Intensive fossil-fuel burning and deforestation over the last two centuries have increased atmospheric CO2 levels by almost 40%, which has in turn fundamentally altered ocean chemistry by acidifying surface waters. Fish levels and other sea organisms such as planktons, crabs, lobsters, shrimp and corals are expected to suffer, which could leave fishing communities at the brink of economic disaster.

The ocean is actually far from acidic.  \\

&quot;The term &quot;ocean acidification&quot; relates to the decrease in pH and does not imply that the pH of ocean surface waters will become acid (below 7.0) any time soon. &quot;



http://www.eoearth.org/article/Ocean_acidification

Airborn sources of CO@ are only a smaller part of increasing CO2 levels.  

The ocean is not only far from acidic.  It is a fact that CO2 can&#039;t be a corrosive agent when the PH is above 7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oceans naturally absorb carbon dioxide from the air. For nearly three decades, scientists have detected a steady increase in this absorption, corresponding to an increase in the &#8220;greenhouse gases&#8221; that hold heat in the atmosphere. One of those gases, carbon dioxide, produces carbonic acid in seawater. Under natural conditions, calcium concentrations in seawater buffer this acid. But the added impact from industrial emissions has overwhelmed this balance, the report concludes.</p>
<p>Scientists measure acidity by the &#8220;pH&#8221; scale familiar to every high school chemistry student. Since 1800, ice core measures show the ocean&#8217;s average pH level has dropped from 8.2 to 8.1, making it 30% more corrosive, Feely says. Expected emissions will likely drop it to a pH of 7.9 this century, a 150% increase in acidity since 1800, he says.</p>
<p>From the article above.</p>
<p>Ocean acidification, a direct result of increased CO2 emission, is set to change the Earth’s marine ecosystems forever and may have a direct impact on our economy, resulting in substantial revenue declines and job losses.</p>
<p>Intensive fossil-fuel burning and deforestation over the last two centuries have increased atmospheric CO2 levels by almost 40%, which has in turn fundamentally altered ocean chemistry by acidifying surface waters. Fish levels and other sea organisms such as planktons, crabs, lobsters, shrimp and corals are expected to suffer, which could leave fishing communities at the brink of economic disaster.</p>
<p>The ocean is actually far from acidic.  \\</p>
<p>&#8220;The term &#8220;ocean acidification&#8221; relates to the decrease in pH and does not imply that the pH of ocean surface waters will become acid (below 7.0) any time soon. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eoearth.org/article/Ocean_acidification" rel="nofollow">http://www.eoearth.org/article/Ocean_acidification</a></p>
<p>Airborn sources of CO@ are only a smaller part of increasing CO2 levels.  </p>
<p>The ocean is not only far from acidic.  It is a fact that CO2 can&#8217;t be a corrosive agent when the PH is above 7.</p>
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		<title>By: dhogaza</title>
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		<dc:creator>dhogaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can attest to the efficiency of the AVE trains.  The train I was on was the same Siemens rolling stock I&#039;ve ridden in Germany, 250 km/hr (about 150 mi/hr).  Spain and Germany are both upgrading to 350 km/hr (about 210 mi/hr) technology.

It&#039;s great.  2.5 hours Madrid to Seville, much faster than driving, and unlike the airplane you can see stuff on the way, not to mention it&#039;s relaxing and comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can attest to the efficiency of the AVE trains.  The train I was on was the same Siemens rolling stock I&#8217;ve ridden in Germany, 250 km/hr (about 150 mi/hr).  Spain and Germany are both upgrading to 350 km/hr (about 210 mi/hr) technology.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great.  2.5 hours Madrid to Seville, much faster than driving, and unlike the airplane you can see stuff on the way, not to mention it&#8217;s relaxing and comfortable.</p>
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