Comments on: China begins transition to a clean-energy economy http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/08/china-begins-its-transition-to-a-clean-energy-economy/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:52:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: MikeN http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/08/china-begins-its-transition-to-a-clean-energy-economy/#comment-70728 MikeN Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:40:37 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7647#comment-70728 According to the DOE, from 2000 to 2006, US carbon emissions increased less than one percent. During that time China's emissions doubled. It that growth rate continues, we can expect China to have 4 times as much emissions than the US by 2020. Now you are saying US emissions 6000, China 25000 Us is reducing from 6000 to 1000(80%) in 2020, China from 25000 to 20000 and therefore both are doing the same in terms of carbon reduction. According to the DOE, from 2000 to 2006, US carbon emissions increased less than one percent. During that time China’s emissions doubled. It that growth rate continues, we can expect China to have 4 times as much emissions than the US by 2020.

Now you are saying US emissions 6000, China 25000
Us is reducing from 6000 to 1000(80%) in 2020, China from 25000 to 20000

and therefore both are doing the same in terms of carbon reduction.

]]> By: MikeN http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/08/china-begins-its-transition-to-a-clean-energy-economy/#comment-70704 MikeN Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:44:23 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7647#comment-70704 US total coal about 200GW. Chinese added production about 100GW per year. How about the US add to its coal power plants by 50% next year while adding 80 GW in wind power and 10 GW in solar power over the next five years, and you praise that? US total coal about 200GW. Chinese added production about 100GW per year.

How about the US add to its coal power plants by 50% next year while adding 80 GW in wind power and 10 GW in solar power over the next five years, and you praise that?

]]> By: Jess http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/08/china-begins-its-transition-to-a-clean-energy-economy/#comment-70512 Jess Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:59:22 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7647#comment-70512 My hope is the crude oil market becomes replaced by alternative fuels, at least in the auto industry. Big dreams but there is obviously progress being made...although everyone would need to compete for it to be effective. It's amazing how emissions reports, crude oil prices, etc etc are different with every source. This video highlights that very well: http://www.newsy.com/videos/oil_slippery_perspectives My hope is the crude oil market becomes replaced by alternative fuels, at least in the auto industry. Big dreams but there is obviously progress being made…although everyone would need to compete for it to be effective. It’s amazing how emissions reports, crude oil prices, etc etc are different with every source. This video highlights that very well:
http://www.newsy.com/ videos/ oil_slippery_perspectives

]]> By: MikeN http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/08/china-begins-its-transition-to-a-clean-energy-economy/#comment-70430 MikeN Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:34:11 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7647#comment-70430 I like how you use per capita numbers to justify China's CO2 emissions, but with renewables, the per capita numbers disappear. Anything to distract people from seeing that China's emissions are larger and growing fast. Even their per capita numbers could catch up to the US in a few decades, even faster if they keep growing at ten percent per year. So now the benchmark has moved further, by looking at per capita CUMULATIVE emissions over decades. I like how you use per capita numbers to justify China’s CO2 emissions, but with renewables, the per capita numbers disappear.

Anything to distract people from seeing that China’s emissions are larger and growing fast. Even their per capita numbers could catch up to the US in a few decades, even faster if they keep growing at ten percent per year. So now the benchmark has moved further, by looking at per capita CUMULATIVE emissions over decades.

]]> By: Peter Croft http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/08/china-begins-its-transition-to-a-clean-energy-economy/#comment-70370 Peter Croft Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:54:51 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7647#comment-70370 The picture is of a Greenpeace campaign. It does not say anything about Chinese policy. What concerns me about this thread is that people seem to see it as some sort of technological race between the US and China. The focus should be on reducing emissions not increasing everything else. There are loads of impressive sounding numbers in this post but nothing to suggest China is about to get off it's exponential carbon growth path. Please read the paper I posted earlier. The picture is of a Greenpeace campaign. It does not say anything about Chinese policy.

What concerns me about this thread is that people seem to see it as some sort of technological race between the US and China. The focus should be on reducing emissions not increasing everything else. There are loads of impressive sounding numbers in this post but nothing to suggest China is about to get off it’s exponential carbon growth path. Please read the paper I posted earlier.

]]> By: Philip H http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/08/china-begins-its-transition-to-a-clean-energy-economy/#comment-70271 Philip H Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:41:09 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7647#comment-70271 Fake, not fake . . . <b>the picture isn't the issue</b>. China is now on paper committing to all sorts of things RE Alternative energy and carbon emissions that the U.S. isn't. Period. Will they succeed? I have my doubts, but then again my dad, who is a historian, was absolutely convinced the Berlin Wall would never fall because the Soviets wouldn't let it. Has anyone run this up to the Hill? Fake, not fake . . . the picture isn’t the issue. China is now on paper committing to all sorts of things RE Alternative energy and carbon emissions that the U.S. isn’t. Period. Will they succeed? I have my doubts, but then again my dad, who is a historian, was absolutely convinced the Berlin Wall would never fall because the Soviets wouldn’t let it.

Has anyone run this up to the Hill?

]]> By: Peter Croft http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/08/china-begins-its-transition-to-a-clean-energy-economy/#comment-70200 Peter Croft Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:32:53 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7647#comment-70200 ...and this video: http://easygreenliving.info/pc/time-is-running-out-to-stop-global-warming-388 …and this video:

http://easygreenliving.info/ pc/ time-is-running-out-to-stop-global-warming-388

]]> By: Peter Croft http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/08/china-begins-its-transition-to-a-clean-energy-economy/#comment-70196 Peter Croft Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:22:46 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7647#comment-70196 It's not fake. This shows the context better: http://www.greenpeace.org/china/en/photosvideos/photos/climate-change-beijing-projection It’s not fake. This shows the context better:

http://www.greenpeace.org/ china/ en/ photosvideos/ photos/ climate-change-beijing-projection

]]> By: David C http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/08/china-begins-its-transition-to-a-clean-energy-economy/#comment-70135 David C Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:32:58 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7647#comment-70135 That picture looks fake. Anybody else agree? That picture looks fake. Anybody else agree?

]]> By: Patti http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/08/china-begins-its-transition-to-a-clean-energy-economy/#comment-70018 Patti Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:50:13 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=7647#comment-70018 And this slogan is written in English because........... And this slogan is written in English because………..

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