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	<title>Comments on: Jane Lubchenco interview on NPR:  &#8220;Ocean acidity has increased by 30%&#8221; thanks to human emissions</title>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/09/noaa-jane-lubchenco-ocean-acidificatio/#comment-71209</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newt, the political opportunist.</description>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/09/noaa-jane-lubchenco-ocean-acidificatio/#comment-70911</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the BBC article that is linked to in the post.  The scientists seem puzzled that the impacts on the ecosystem are greater than they expected.

My question is this:  If you accept Darwinian evolution, AND you accept climate change, wouldn&#039;t you expect ecosystems to collapse, since they evolved in a different climate?   Isn&#039;t it inevitable that species that are selected to survive in a particular environment aren&#039;t going to survive when that environment is altered?

Just askin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the BBC article that is linked to in the post.  The scientists seem puzzled that the impacts on the ecosystem are greater than they expected.</p>
<p>My question is this:  If you accept Darwinian evolution, AND you accept climate change, wouldn&#8217;t you expect ecosystems to collapse, since they evolved in a different climate?   Isn&#8217;t it inevitable that species that are selected to survive in a particular environment aren&#8217;t going to survive when that environment is altered?</p>
<p>Just askin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/09/noaa-jane-lubchenco-ocean-acidificatio/#comment-70882</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paulm - Thanks for the link to the book. Another one for my list. We really need to spread the word that CO2 is not just an atmospheric problem but one that imperils the entire planetary ecosystem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulm &#8211; Thanks for the link to the book. Another one for my list. We really need to spread the word that CO2 is not just an atmospheric problem but one that imperils the entire planetary ecosystem.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/09/noaa-jane-lubchenco-ocean-acidificatio/#comment-70766</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good link Lewis.</description>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/09/noaa-jane-lubchenco-ocean-acidificatio/#comment-70754</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newt who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newt who?</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this was scarcely odd, because
They’d eaten every one.

Oh Lordy shame on me!  I just realized this could be interpreted as yet another depraved threat of violence!?  Please don&#039;t say anything Rog Tallbloke in reply - I have been admonished not to respond to you here at CP.  You have to look to my own blog for those thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this was scarcely odd, because<br />
They’d eaten every one.</p>
<p>Oh Lordy shame on me!  I just realized this could be interpreted as yet another depraved threat of violence!?  Please don&#8217;t say anything Rog Tallbloke in reply &#8211; I have been admonished not to respond to you here at CP.  You have to look to my own blog for those thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090609/sc_mcclatchy/3249010


The Walrus and the Carpenter

The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright—
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.

The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done—
“It’s very rude of him,” she said,
“To come and spoil the fun!”

The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying overhead—
There were no birds to fly



The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
“If this were only cleared away,”
They said, “It would be grand!”

 

“If seven maids with seven mops
Swept for half a year,
Do you suppose,” the walrus said,
“That they could get it clear?”
“I doubt it,” said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.

“O, Oysters, come and walk with us!”
The Walrus did beseech.
“A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,
Along the briny beach:
We cannot do with more than four,
To give a hand to each.”

The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head—
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.

But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat-
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn’t any feet.

Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more-
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
Walked on a mile or so,
And then they rested on a rock
Conveniently low:
And all the little Oysters stood
And waited in a row.

“The time has come,” the Walrus said,
“To talk of many things:
Of shoes—and ships—and sealing wax—
Of cabbages—and kings—
And why the sea is boiling hot—
And whether pigs have wings.”



“But wait a bit,” the Oysters cried,
“Before we have our chat;
For some of us are out of breath,
And all of us are fat!”
“No hurry!” said the Carpenter.
They thanked him much for that.

 

“A loaf of bread,” the Walrus said,
“Is what we chiefly need:
Pepper and vinegar besides
Are very good indeed—
Now if you’re ready, Oysters dear,
We can begin to feed.”

“But not on us!” the Oysters cried,
Turning a little blue,
“After such kindness, that would be
A dismal thing to do!”
“The night is fine,” the Walrus said.
“Do you admire the view?”

“It was so kind of you to come!
And you are very nice!”
The Carpenter said nothing but
“Cut us another slice:
I wish you were not quite so deaf—
I’ve had to ask you twice!”

“It seems a shame,” the Walrus said,
“To play them such a trick,
After we’ve brought them out so far,
And made them trot so quick!”
The Carpenter said nothing but
“The butter’s spread too thick!”

“I weep for you,” the Walrus said:
“I deeply sympathize.”
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.



“O Oysters,” said the Carpenter,
“You had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?”
But answer came there none—
And this was scarcely odd, because
They’d eaten every one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090609/sc_mcclatchy/3249010" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>s/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>mcclatchy/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>20090609/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>sc_mcclatchy/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>3249010</a></p>
<p>The Walrus and the Carpenter</p>
<p>The sun was shining on the sea,<br />
Shining with all his might:<br />
He did his very best to make<br />
The billows smooth and bright—<br />
And this was odd, because it was<br />
The middle of the night.</p>
<p>The moon was shining sulkily,<br />
Because she thought the sun<br />
Had got no business to be there<br />
After the day was done—<br />
“It’s very rude of him,” she said,<br />
“To come and spoil the fun!”</p>
<p>The sea was wet as wet could be,<br />
The sands were dry as dry.<br />
You could not see a cloud, because<br />
No cloud was in the sky:<br />
No birds were flying overhead—<br />
There were no birds to fly</p>
<p>The Walrus and the Carpenter<br />
Were walking close at hand;<br />
They wept like anything to see<br />
Such quantities of sand:<br />
“If this were only cleared away,”<br />
They said, “It would be grand!”</p>
<p>“If seven maids with seven mops<br />
Swept for half a year,<br />
Do you suppose,” the walrus said,<br />
“That they could get it clear?”<br />
“I doubt it,” said the Carpenter,<br />
And shed a bitter tear.</p>
<p>“O, Oysters, come and walk with us!”<br />
The Walrus did beseech.<br />
“A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,<br />
Along the briny beach:<br />
We cannot do with more than four,<br />
To give a hand to each.”</p>
<p>The eldest Oyster looked at him,<br />
But never a word he said:<br />
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,<br />
And shook his heavy head—<br />
Meaning to say he did not choose<br />
To leave the oyster-bed.</p>
<p>But four young Oysters hurried up,<br />
All eager for the treat:<br />
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,<br />
Their shoes were clean and neat-<br />
And this was odd, because, you know,<br />
They hadn’t any feet.</p>
<p>Four other Oysters followed them,<br />
And yet another four;<br />
And thick and fast they came at last,<br />
And more, and more, and more-<br />
All hopping through the frothy waves,<br />
And scrambling to the shore.</p>
<p>The Walrus and the Carpenter<br />
Walked on a mile or so,<br />
And then they rested on a rock<br />
Conveniently low:<br />
And all the little Oysters stood<br />
And waited in a row.</p>
<p>“The time has come,” the Walrus said,<br />
“To talk of many things:<br />
Of shoes—and ships—and sealing wax—<br />
Of cabbages—and kings—<br />
And why the sea is boiling hot—<br />
And whether pigs have wings.”</p>
<p>“But wait a bit,” the Oysters cried,<br />
“Before we have our chat;<br />
For some of us are out of breath,<br />
And all of us are fat!”<br />
“No hurry!” said the Carpenter.<br />
They thanked him much for that.</p>
<p>“A loaf of bread,” the Walrus said,<br />
“Is what we chiefly need:<br />
Pepper and vinegar besides<br />
Are very good indeed—<br />
Now if you’re ready, Oysters dear,<br />
We can begin to feed.”</p>
<p>“But not on us!” the Oysters cried,<br />
Turning a little blue,<br />
“After such kindness, that would be<br />
A dismal thing to do!”<br />
“The night is fine,” the Walrus said.<br />
“Do you admire the view?”</p>
<p>“It was so kind of you to come!<br />
And you are very nice!”<br />
The Carpenter said nothing but<br />
“Cut us another slice:<br />
I wish you were not quite so deaf—<br />
I’ve had to ask you twice!”</p>
<p>“It seems a shame,” the Walrus said,<br />
“To play them such a trick,<br />
After we’ve brought them out so far,<br />
And made them trot so quick!”<br />
The Carpenter said nothing but<br />
“The butter’s spread too thick!”</p>
<p>“I weep for you,” the Walrus said:<br />
“I deeply sympathize.”<br />
With sobs and tears he sorted out<br />
Those of the largest size,<br />
Holding his pocket-handkerchief<br />
Before his streaming eyes.</p>
<p>“O Oysters,” said the Carpenter,<br />
“You had a pleasant run!<br />
Shall we be trotting home again?”<br />
But answer came there none—<br />
And this was scarcely odd, because<br />
They’d eaten every one.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/09/noaa-jane-lubchenco-ocean-acidificatio/#comment-70689</link>
		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more information on Ocean acidification from one of Australias top scientists you should view this web seminar.
http://www.coralcoe.org.au/events/webseminar/iyorvideos/malcolmmcculloch.html
It really helps to explain things. It is also mostly in language that is easily understandable.

Cheers Lewis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more information on Ocean acidification from one of Australias top scientists you should view this web seminar.<br />
<a href="http://www.coralcoe.org.au/events/webseminar/iyorvideos/malcolmmcculloch.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.coralcoe.org.au/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>events/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>webseminar/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>iyorvideos/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>malcolmmcculloch.html</a><br />
It really helps to explain things. It is also mostly in language that is easily understandable.</p>
<p>Cheers Lewis</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/09/noaa-jane-lubchenco-ocean-acidificatio/#comment-70631</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for all who addressed my question.  My question stemmed from Newt&#039;s testimony a few weeks ago where he mentions ocean acidification at the end.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7VUg7nG3lw

I&#039;ll fourth the call to shut down those coal plants!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for all who addressed my question.  My question stemmed from Newt&#8217;s testimony a few weeks ago where he mentions ocean acidification at the end.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7VUg7nG3lw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7VUg7nG3lw</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll fourth the call to shut down those coal plants!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bloom</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/09/noaa-jane-lubchenco-ocean-acidificatio/#comment-70628</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See also this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.es.ucsc.edu/~jzachos/pubs/Zachos_Dickens_Zeebe_08.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;paper&lt;/a&gt; focusing on the early Cenozoic (which includes the last great extinction event).  This one and the one I linked above are public access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also this <a href="http://www.es.ucsc.edu/~jzachos/pubs/Zachos_Dickens_Zeebe_08.pdf" rel="nofollow">paper</a> focusing on the early Cenozoic (which includes the last great extinction event).  This one and the one I linked above are public access.</p>
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