My other concern is that about all the time and money being being wasted on climate while there are people dying of starvation and disease throughout the world. Granted, we are experiencing a climatic warming trend. However, the earth has been much, much warmer and much , much colder long before there were any people around, much less vehicles or fossil fuels. At different times there were oceans covering the continental interior of North America, continental ice sheets over much of the Northern US, and tropical plant fossils have been found in Antarctica. I can’t believe that people are so conceited as to believe that we have control to the extent that we can “save” or “destroy” our climate. We can reduce our contribution by minimizing waste, i.e. better fuel economy, etc. Our contribution, however, when compared to the CO2 contribution of volcanoes, plant transpiration, and other significant non-human sources, is truly comparable to the proverbial impact of “pissing in the ocean.” This bill is not worth the suffering it will cause, and it will not “save” the earth from a warming trend that is mostly due to a natural cycle.

“Not only can’t you spell, but your [sic] copying and pasting”

Ahh. Irony. I love it.

Don’t forget all the central government’s spending on war. Your view that the government should not provide national security via energy security would naturally lead towards dismantling of the military and replaced with anarchistic local militias.

We also would need to eliminate all the tax credits, tax breaks, and tax deductions for the fossil fuel industry… who are these commie bastards to let government hand out such things?

Ditto for the nukes. Let the nuclear industry do their own research and find their own storage solution and pay for their own liability.

And the dance goes on and on… once again dispelling the broken cliches, dismantling the catch phrases so popular with the anti-science crowd and the head-in-the-sand crowd.

Good luck with all that.

You’d better stop driving a car then. The socialist plot to take control of our roads by way of federal highway funds has succeeded. Better get a bicycle comrad.

This type of right-wing thinking claims to not be citizens of the world when it serves their cause, waves the American flag and shout “Patriotism!” when it helps their cause.

Not only can’t you spell, but your copying and pasting of right-wing talking points is incredibly boorish. Just because somebody says it again and again, does not make it true, including your false assumption by Gabriel Calzada, affiliated with Juan Carlos University regarding the purported cost of green jobs in Spain, along with the fallacious projection of what a false analysis will mean for the U.S.A.

After being in charge during the largest run-up in energy prices in American history, after being in charge during the largest financial crisis in 70 years, after being in charge during the most militant offensive period in American history, this group of people changes direction.

What was pro-American is now anti-American. Instead of “buy American” they want America to drop dead.

What is it with you people, K L Reddington? Do you think we’re so stupid we don’t remember what you said yesterday?

Let’s get some facts straight:
1) We import 70% of our oil.
2) We have 1.5% of world oil reserves.
3) We (the world) has a serious pollution problem
4) Existing laws and markets do not take into account the total life cycle costs of fossil energy.
5) We have been screaming the GOP mantra “drill baby drill” for over 30 years and it simply leads to greater oil company profits, more pollution, and greater dependence on foreign oil.

The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

I wish the radical right would actually demonstrate patriotism and support America, promote “buy-America” instead of selling anything, anybody, and any shred of moral decency in order to get back in power.

Thanks for the link. The author’s point that Copenhagen’s goals are both inadequate and devilishly hard to achieve is well taken. So here’s a suggestion from a business savvy neighbor: if you want to influence an extremely powerful business, aim right at the top (instead of boycotting the company, for instance). Concentrate your energy on the CEOs. Connect them personally to the problem. Name names.

I should try to find a link to the study that explains this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/ commentisfree/ 2009/ jun/ 09/ un-climate-change-talks-barack-obama

How accurate is his analysis? I do not know…

Low emission high efficiency manufacturing must be something only other countries can achieve.

Guess we should just give up and buy all our stuff from other countries.

Meanwhile, I’ll support Waxman-Markey — and anything else that promotes efficiency, clean energy, and conservation — til the cows come home.

Don’t worry K.L. — you can’t be too green.