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	<title>Comments on: Game changer 3:  New natural gas supplies &#8212; great for low-cost climate action, bad for coal</title>
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		<title>By: Meg Montgomery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem is, hydro-fracking compromises our water supply. Destroys ecoystems. Eliminates property value. Until they develop a way to get the LNG that DOES NOT include pumping a fluid which includes 200+ highly toxic elements into the earth (benzene, arsenic, radioactive elements etc)  it should be a moot point.  And, since there&#039;s SO MUCH LNG already available, there should be no rush to drill the Marcellus Shale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem is, hydro-fracking compromises our water supply. Destroys ecoystems. Eliminates property value. Until they develop a way to get the LNG that DOES NOT include pumping a fluid which includes 200+ highly toxic elements into the earth (benzene, arsenic, radioactive elements etc)  it should be a moot point.  And, since there&#8217;s SO MUCH LNG already available, there should be no rush to drill the Marcellus Shale.</p>
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		<title>By: kristian johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristian johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good power source guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good power source guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I stand corrected: David Walters does support nuclear power. I was misled by his rant about &quot;dangerous, randon-laden (sic) fuel.&quot;

And thank you for the link; there&#039;s a lot of good material there. (But I could wish Mr. Walters took a little more time proofreading it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I stand corrected: David Walters does support nuclear power. I was misled by his rant about &#8220;dangerous, randon-laden (sic) fuel.&#8221;</p>
<p>And thank you for the link; there&#8217;s a lot of good material there. (But I could wish Mr. Walters took a little more time proofreading it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Winter: &lt;i&gt;You &lt;/i&gt;[David Walters}&lt;i&gt; didn’t say so explicitly, so let me guess. You’re against both fossil and nuclear. Am I right?&lt;/i&gt;

Wrongo! http://davidwalters.dailykos.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Winter: <i>You </i>[David Walters}<i> didn’t say so explicitly, so let me guess. You’re against both fossil and nuclear. Am I right?</i></p>
<p>Wrongo! <a href="http://davidwalters.dailykos.com/" rel="nofollow">http://davidwalters.dailykos.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is good news that there is lots of gas around - it&#039;s a resource that is cheaper AND significantly less bad for the climate than our other fossil options. Gas undermines the economic grip oil and coal have on our nation. 

I have been traveling the west recently (by bicycle), and have seen wind projects going up at a stunning pace. We need a power source to firm wind (at least until there are enough widely distributed wind farms so they can firm each other). As noted in the post, the dispatch-ability of gas power is very valuable to utilities integrating wind and solar into their portfolios. 

However, gas is only less bad, and MUST be a transitional fuel - fortunately the relatively low infrastructure costs for gas power plants will make this transition easier. The combination of gas turbines and compressed air storage from solar and wind makes this an even better option. Cars should not be made to run on CNG - better to build them for 

I hate to see gas wells scattered over our beloved landscapes. I despise corporate opportunists making obscene profits from gas in western Colorado and coalbed methane in Wyoming. The Waxman-Markey caps must come down hard and fast to make this necessary evil brief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good news that there is lots of gas around &#8211; it&#8217;s a resource that is cheaper AND significantly less bad for the climate than our other fossil options. Gas undermines the economic grip oil and coal have on our nation. </p>
<p>I have been traveling the west recently (by bicycle), and have seen wind projects going up at a stunning pace. We need a power source to firm wind (at least until there are enough widely distributed wind farms so they can firm each other). As noted in the post, the dispatch-ability of gas power is very valuable to utilities integrating wind and solar into their portfolios. </p>
<p>However, gas is only less bad, and MUST be a transitional fuel &#8211; fortunately the relatively low infrastructure costs for gas power plants will make this transition easier. The combination of gas turbines and compressed air storage from solar and wind makes this an even better option. Cars should not be made to run on CNG &#8211; better to build them for </p>
<p>I hate to see gas wells scattered over our beloved landscapes. I despise corporate opportunists making obscene profits from gas in western Colorado and coalbed methane in Wyoming. The Waxman-Markey caps must come down hard and fast to make this necessary evil brief.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Walters wrote (in part): &lt;i&gt;&quot;You see what you have done, don’t you? You are choosing gas, a fossil, particulate burning dangerous, [radon]-laden fuel over nuclear energy. You are providing EXACTLY the kind of ammo need by nuclear power advocates to advance nuclear in the U.S.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You didn&#039;t say so explicitly, so let me guess. You&#039;re against both fossil and nuclear. Am I right?

The problem, as President Obama might put it, is the fierce urgency of now. We have to start lowering CO2 emissions &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;now&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;. Replacing some coal with natural gas will do that &#8212; not right away, but sooner than large-scale deployment of renewables or nuclear power.

We might have had nuclear that lives up to its promise, but we stopped research and development on that in 1994. We might have had efficient wind power, but that started off as a tax shelter and is only now recovering. We might have had a lot of things, but our system is geared to cut spending for the future to the maximum extent possible, with the result that we keep running into crises. Like right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Walters wrote (in part): <i>&#8220;You see what you have done, don’t you? You are choosing gas, a fossil, particulate burning dangerous, [radon]-laden fuel over nuclear energy. You are providing EXACTLY the kind of ammo need by nuclear power advocates to advance nuclear in the U.S.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t say so explicitly, so let me guess. You&#8217;re against both fossil and nuclear. Am I right?</p>
<p>The problem, as President Obama might put it, is the fierce urgency of now. We have to start lowering CO2 emissions <b><i>now</i></b>. Replacing some coal with natural gas will do that &mdash; not right away, but sooner than large-scale deployment of renewables or nuclear power.</p>
<p>We might have had nuclear that lives up to its promise, but we stopped research and development on that in 1994. We might have had efficient wind power, but that started off as a tax shelter and is only now recovering. We might have had a lot of things, but our system is geared to cut spending for the future to the maximum extent possible, with the result that we keep running into crises. Like right now.</p>
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		<title>By: darth</title>
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		<dc:creator>darth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also for those worried about the gas, remember: gas = 1/2 the CO2 of coal. If you use it combined with wind / solar thermal it gets even better.

For instance, with solar thermal you use gas at night so only 1/2 the time. Now the emissions are 1/4 of an equivalent coal plant and you have 24/7 baseload power. That is pretty good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also for those worried about the gas, remember: gas = 1/2 the CO2 of coal. If you use it combined with wind / solar thermal it gets even better.</p>
<p>For instance, with solar thermal you use gas at night so only 1/2 the time. Now the emissions are 1/4 of an equivalent coal plant and you have 24/7 baseload power. That is pretty good.</p>
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		<title>By: darth</title>
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		<dc:creator>darth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that is is *way* more efficient to turn natural gas into electricity and then run the cars off of that than it is to directly burn the gas in the cars. This point has been explored here previously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that is is *way* more efficient to turn natural gas into electricity and then run the cars off of that than it is to directly burn the gas in the cars. This point has been explored here previously.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hollenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hollenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; What I see here are a bunch of self-described Greens shilling for natural gas! Gas is only 30 to 50% less CO2 intensive than coal.

Natural gas is a good transition strategy to quickly lower CO2 emissions, is more cost effective than nuclear, doesn&#039;t have nuclear waste to contend with, and can be implemented relatively quickly--we need to do something right away.

Longer term, we can include nuclear if it is cost effective.  From all the numbers I have seen, there are a lot of renewable energy solutions that are both cheaper and quicker to implement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; What I see here are a bunch of self-described Greens shilling for natural gas! Gas is only 30 to 50% less CO2 intensive than coal.</p>
<p>Natural gas is a good transition strategy to quickly lower CO2 emissions, is more cost effective than nuclear, doesn&#8217;t have nuclear waste to contend with, and can be implemented relatively quickly&#8211;we need to do something right away.</p>
<p>Longer term, we can include nuclear if it is cost effective.  From all the numbers I have seen, there are a lot of renewable energy solutions that are both cheaper and quicker to implement.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is plenty of natural gas, maybe it makes sense to require more CNG powered vehicles.  Some cities already require taxis to be (usually) CNG powered in order to cut down on air pollution.  Maybe more people will want to but CNG powered cars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is plenty of natural gas, maybe it makes sense to require more CNG powered vehicles.  Some cities already require taxis to be (usually) CNG powered in order to cut down on air pollution.  Maybe more people will want to but CNG powered cars?</p>
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