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	<title>Comments on: The clean energy revolution will not be televised &#8212; except on C-SPAN now! &#8212; as big media beat it and even Farrah&#8217;s death gets bigger play</title>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/26/the-clean-energy-revolution-will-not-be-televised-except-on-c-span-now-as-big-media-beat-it-and-even-farrahs-death-gets-bigger-play/#comment-85626</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Joe.  I support it. too, but I believe to be vocal and explicit about its shortcommings, so when we go back in to get more, people (R&#039;s) won&#039;t say, &quot;Oh, we did that already.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Joe.  I support it. too, but I believe to be vocal and explicit about its shortcommings, so when we go back in to get more, people (R&#8217;s) won&#8217;t say, &#8220;Oh, we did that already.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Srigley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Srigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yuebing, awesome video. 

I was just musing over this, wondering if maybe Jacksons death might not have some small push in the environmental movement. Probably most of the shock of that event, in seeing the biggest legend of our time pass on, is realizing our own humanity and the fragility of life. Which might magnify perception of the threat of &#039;hell and high water&#039;.

If a man with more money than *insert your favorite imaginary super-hero in the sky&#039;s name here* can die, then maybe no matter how much money you make raping planet it wont protect you. 

i dunno its pretty flimsy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yuebing, awesome video. </p>
<p>I was just musing over this, wondering if maybe Jacksons death might not have some small push in the environmental movement. Probably most of the shock of that event, in seeing the biggest legend of our time pass on, is realizing our own humanity and the fragility of life. Which might magnify perception of the threat of &#8216;hell and high water&#8217;.</p>
<p>If a man with more money than *insert your favorite imaginary super-hero in the sky&#8217;s name here* can die, then maybe no matter how much money you make raping planet it wont protect you. </p>
<p>i dunno its pretty flimsy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Yuebing</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/26/the-clean-energy-revolution-will-not-be-televised-except-on-c-span-now-as-big-media-beat-it-and-even-farrahs-death-gets-bigger-play/#comment-85457</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuebing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZS, We also have this recently updated analysis of HR2454 from ACEEE

&quot;Washington, D.C.—The federal energy efficiency provisions included in H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act (aka Waxman-Markey), could save approximately $1,050 per household by 2020 and $4,400 per household by 2030, according to an updated analysis by the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy (ACEEE). Changes to ACEEE’s analysis come from an updated assessment of savings from a number of provisions, as well as changes to the bill made in a Rule’s Committee version of the bill released yesterday.&quot;

http://www.aceee.org/press/0906waxman2.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ZS, We also have this recently updated analysis of HR2454 from ACEEE</p>
<p>&#8220;Washington, D.C.—The federal energy efficiency provisions included in H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act (aka Waxman-Markey), could save approximately $1,050 per household by 2020 and $4,400 per household by 2030, according to an updated analysis by the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy (ACEEE). Changes to ACEEE’s analysis come from an updated assessment of savings from a number of provisions, as well as changes to the bill made in a Rule’s Committee version of the bill released yesterday.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aceee.org/press/0906waxman2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aceee.org/press/0906waxman2.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: ZS</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/26/the-clean-energy-revolution-will-not-be-televised-except-on-c-span-now-as-big-media-beat-it-and-even-farrahs-death-gets-bigger-play/#comment-85450</link>
		<dc:creator>ZS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since most people who have an inkling of an idea about the threats of climate change support Waxman-Markey, the impacts of this bill need to be presented in a way that appeals to people who could care less about the environment. 

The CBO projection of $175 per household per year by 2020 cannot be stressed enough.  And since most people don&#039;t automatically convert per household to per capita figures, why not do the work for them?  Assuming 2.6 people per household (an estimate I found &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14942047/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/A&gt;), that&#039;s $67 per person per year, or about $5 per month.

$5 per month gets you improved public transportation, lower electricity bills, millions of net jobs, a position as a global leader in the clean energy industry (which will clearly be one of the most important markets of this century), and protection from the volatility of fossil fuel prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since most people who have an inkling of an idea about the threats of climate change support Waxman-Markey, the impacts of this bill need to be presented in a way that appeals to people who could care less about the environment. </p>
<p>The CBO projection of $175 per household per year by 2020 cannot be stressed enough.  And since most people don&#8217;t automatically convert per household to per capita figures, why not do the work for them?  Assuming 2.6 people per household (an estimate I found <a HREF="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14942047/" rel="nofollow">here</a>), that&#8217;s $67 per person per year, or about $5 per month.</p>
<p>$5 per month gets you improved public transportation, lower electricity bills, millions of net jobs, a position as a global leader in the clean energy industry (which will clearly be one of the most important markets of this century), and protection from the volatility of fossil fuel prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/26/the-clean-energy-revolution-will-not-be-televised-except-on-c-span-now-as-big-media-beat-it-and-even-farrahs-death-gets-bigger-play/#comment-85436</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media coverage on climate change has been pretty bad.  There&#039;s a total lack of comparison on how Waxman-Markey is not tough by international standards (see EU) and how the Republican alternative to climate legislation mandates 100 new nuclear power plants; not exactly climate friendly nor feasible.  Moreover, the EU recently just worked out a deal with China to help them finance a new CCS demonstration project.  Our last delegation to China came back with promises to talk more.  

for more on this: climatesecurity.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media coverage on climate change has been pretty bad.  There&#8217;s a total lack of comparison on how Waxman-Markey is not tough by international standards (see EU) and how the Republican alternative to climate legislation mandates 100 new nuclear power plants; not exactly climate friendly nor feasible.  Moreover, the EU recently just worked out a deal with China to help them finance a new CCS demonstration project.  Our last delegation to China came back with promises to talk more.  </p>
<p>for more on this: climatesecurity.blogspot.com</p>
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		<title>By: Yuebing</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/26/the-clean-energy-revolution-will-not-be-televised-except-on-c-span-now-as-big-media-beat-it-and-even-farrahs-death-gets-bigger-play/#comment-85431</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuebing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In tights

http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/hes_barack_obama</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In tights</p>
<p><a href="http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/hes_barack_obama" rel="nofollow">http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/hes_barack_obama</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Srigley</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/26/the-clean-energy-revolution-will-not-be-televised-except-on-c-span-now-as-big-media-beat-it-and-even-farrahs-death-gets-bigger-play/#comment-85425</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Srigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoah! Is there a silent revolution going on right now being driven by intelligent selfless activists, and scientists, who&#039;s sole goal is is to save the human race from destroying itself, yet receives no mdeia coverage and is only up against the most powerful, widespread, evil, corrupt and in-humane empire ever to enslave the human race?????    

This is the stuff of Sci-Fi comic books! And truly, you are a Super-Heros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoah! Is there a silent revolution going on right now being driven by intelligent selfless activists, and scientists, who&#8217;s sole goal is is to save the human race from destroying itself, yet receives no mdeia coverage and is only up against the most powerful, widespread, evil, corrupt and in-humane empire ever to enslave the human race?????    </p>
<p>This is the stuff of Sci-Fi comic books! And truly, you are a Super-Heros.</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/26/the-clean-energy-revolution-will-not-be-televised-except-on-c-span-now-as-big-media-beat-it-and-even-farrahs-death-gets-bigger-play/#comment-85420</link>
		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should start using Internet Time or UTC for indicating times of events on the web. Much easier to figure out when to come online for the event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should start using Internet Time or UTC for indicating times of events on the web. Much easier to figure out when to come online for the event.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/26/the-clean-energy-revolution-will-not-be-televised-except-on-c-span-now-as-big-media-beat-it-and-even-farrahs-death-gets-bigger-play/#comment-85377</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth: on NPR at the hour, Waxman-Markey led Michael Jackson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth: on NPR at the hour, Waxman-Markey led Michael Jackson.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/26/the-clean-energy-revolution-will-not-be-televised-except-on-c-span-now-as-big-media-beat-it-and-even-farrahs-death-gets-bigger-play/#comment-85363</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John wrote (in part): &lt;i&gt;&quot;Hope it’s good enough, and we have no other port in which to dock, but it’s a marginal call as to whether ACES is good enough to do the job.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This is true. But as I understand the European version of cap-and-trade, it started off dysfunctional and then was repaired.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;A person could have lost a lot of money over the last five decades betting on humans to function as rational economic agents and act in their own self-interest … that’s why I value stringent caps without easy offsets and a preservation of CAA authorities to regulate Carbon.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

As Joe pointed out, the problem with administration edicts (regulations) is that they can be repealed by the next administration. In the case of CAA restrictions on CO2 emissions, I think it&#039;s a safe bet that the next Republican administration would repeal them, or otherwise make them ineffective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John wrote (in part): <i>&#8220;Hope it’s good enough, and we have no other port in which to dock, but it’s a marginal call as to whether ACES is good enough to do the job.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This is true. But as I understand the European version of cap-and-trade, it started off dysfunctional and then was repaired.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;A person could have lost a lot of money over the last five decades betting on humans to function as rational economic agents and act in their own self-interest … that’s why I value stringent caps without easy offsets and a preservation of CAA authorities to regulate Carbon.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>As Joe pointed out, the problem with administration edicts (regulations) is that they can be repealed by the next administration. In the case of CAA restrictions on CO2 emissions, I think it&#8217;s a safe bet that the next Republican administration would repeal them, or otherwise make them ineffective.</p>
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