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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/28/george-will-wattsupwiththat-robert-bradley-ken-lay-enron/#comment-91678</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for completeness, a followup note re my day-before-yesterday followup note (June 30th, 2009 at 10:49 pm) - I did not get answers  to my 2nd set of questions to Erica Goode.
(which were:  a) informally, to confirm that she hadn’t edited this story (since it came from Johnson, who’s not in her pod), and b) whether there’s anything in place to keep, say, the National desk from encroaching on her topical turf.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for completeness, a followup note re my day-before-yesterday followup note (June 30th, 2009 at 10:49 pm) &#8211; I did not get answers  to my 2nd set of questions to Erica Goode.<br />
(which were:  a) informally, to confirm that she hadn’t edited this story (since it came from Johnson, who’s not in her pod), and b) whether there’s anything in place to keep, say, the National desk from encroaching on her topical turf.)</p>
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		<title>By: Asteroid Miner</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/28/george-will-wattsupwiththat-robert-bradley-ken-lay-enron/#comment-90042</link>
		<dc:creator>Asteroid Miner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A subject for a future edition:
http://www.csiro.au/news/Permafrost-climate-change-threat.html
CSIRO - Australia&#039;s largest scientific research agency
Contact Enquiries: Phone - 1300 363 400 &#124; Email - Enquiries@csiro.au 
Permafrost melt poses major climate change threat
Reference: 09/108

New research shows that the amount of carbon stored in frozen soils at high latitudes is double previous estimates and could, if emitted as carbon dioxide and methane, lead to a significant increase in global temperatures by the end of this century. 
1 July 2009
“Massive amounts of carbon stored in frozen soils at high latitudes are increasingly vulnerable to exposure to the atmosphere,” says the Executive Director of the Global Carbon Project at CSIRO, Dr Pep Canadell.
“The research shows that the amount of carbon stored in soils surrounding the North Pole has been hugely underestimated.”
“Using the new carbon pool estimates from this research, permafrost degradation could account for the entire upper range of carbon-climate feedbacks currently estimated by climate models,” Dr Canadell says. 
In a paper published in the latest edition of Global Biogeochemical Cycles, Dr Canadell says frozen high-latitude soils have the potential to release vast quantities of carbon and methane into the atmosphere and subsequently influence carbon-climate feedbacks.
“Warmer temperatures at high latitudes are already resulting in unprecedented permafrost degradation,” he says. “Projections show that almost all near-surface permafrost will disappear by the end of this century exposing large carbon stores to decomposition and release of greenhouse gases.”
Models developed in collaboration with Dr Canadell show that global warming could trigger an irreversible process of thawing.
“A number of feedbacks increase the vulnerability of these soils. For example, heat generated from increased microbial activity could lead to sustained and long-term chronic emissions of carbon dioxide and methane.”
In addition, ‘thermokast lakes’ formed as permafrost thaws, would draw heat to deeper layers and bring methane to the surface.
Increased fire frequency will also trigger permafrost degradation and thermokast collapse.
“Using the new carbon pool estimates from this research, permafrost degradation could account for the entire upper range of carbon-climate feedbacks currently estimated by climate models,” Dr Canadell says. 
“The potential for significant feedbacks from permafrost carbon could be realised with only a small fraction of currently frozen carbon released to the atmosphere. For example if only 10 per cent of the permafrost melts, the resultant feedback could result in an additional 80 ppm carbon dioxide equivalent released into the atmosphere, equating to about 0.7°C of global warming.”
The Centre for Australian Weather and Climate Research (CAWCR)  [external link]
The Centre for Australian Weather and Climate Research is a partnership between CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology.
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Does anybody have any idea of how to shut down the methane production from tundra lakes that used to be frozen peat bogs?   Doing the obvious multiplication: 100% of permafrost = 800ppm CO2 equivalent = 7 degrees C.   That puts us over the limit all by itself.   These are huge lakes, not small ponds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A subject for a future edition:<br />
<a href="http://www.csiro.au/news/Permafrost-climate-change-threat.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.csiro.au/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>news/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>Permafrost-climate-change-threat.html</a><br />
CSIRO &#8211; Australia&#8217;s largest scientific research agency<br />
Contact Enquiries: Phone &#8211; 1300 363 400 | Email &#8211; <a href="mailto:Enquiries@csiro.au">Enquiries@csiro.au</a><br />
Permafrost melt poses major climate change threat<br />
Reference: 09/108</p>
<p>New research shows that the amount of carbon stored in frozen soils at high latitudes is double previous estimates and could, if emitted as carbon dioxide and methane, lead to a significant increase in global temperatures by the end of this century.<br />
1 July 2009<br />
“Massive amounts of carbon stored in frozen soils at high latitudes are increasingly vulnerable to exposure to the atmosphere,” says the Executive Director of the Global Carbon Project at CSIRO, Dr Pep Canadell.<br />
“The research shows that the amount of carbon stored in soils surrounding the North Pole has been hugely underestimated.”<br />
“Using the new carbon pool estimates from this research, permafrost degradation could account for the entire upper range of carbon-climate feedbacks currently estimated by climate models,” Dr Canadell says. <br />
In a paper published in the latest edition of Global Biogeochemical Cycles, Dr Canadell says frozen high-latitude soils have the potential to release vast quantities of carbon and methane into the atmosphere and subsequently influence carbon-climate feedbacks.<br />
“Warmer temperatures at high latitudes are already resulting in unprecedented permafrost degradation,” he says. “Projections show that almost all near-surface permafrost will disappear by the end of this century exposing large carbon stores to decomposition and release of greenhouse gases.”<br />
Models developed in collaboration with Dr Canadell show that global warming could trigger an irreversible process of thawing.<br />
“A number of feedbacks increase the vulnerability of these soils. For example, heat generated from increased microbial activity could lead to sustained and long-term chronic emissions of carbon dioxide and methane.”<br />
In addition, ‘thermokast lakes’ formed as permafrost thaws, would draw heat to deeper layers and bring methane to the surface.<br />
Increased fire frequency will also trigger permafrost degradation and thermokast collapse.<br />
“Using the new carbon pool estimates from this research, permafrost degradation could account for the entire upper range of carbon-climate feedbacks currently estimated by climate models,” Dr Canadell says. <br />
“The potential for significant feedbacks from permafrost carbon could be realised with only a small fraction of currently frozen carbon released to the atmosphere. For example if only 10 per cent of the permafrost melts, the resultant feedback could result in an additional 80 ppm carbon dioxide equivalent released into the atmosphere, equating to about 0.7°C of global warming.”<br />
The Centre for Australian Weather and Climate Research (CAWCR)  [external link]<br />
The Centre for Australian Weather and Climate Research is a partnership between CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Does anybody have any idea of how to shut down the methane production from tundra lakes that used to be frozen peat bogs?   Doing the obvious multiplication: 100% of permafrost = 800ppm CO2 equivalent = 7 degrees C.   That puts us over the limit all by itself.   These are huge lakes, not small ponds.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/28/george-will-wattsupwiththat-robert-bradley-ken-lay-enron/#comment-89934</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A followup note re the bark beetle/firefighting story - I&#039;d asked editor Goode a) informally, to confirm that she hadn&#039;t edited it (since it came from Johnson, who&#039;s not in her pod), and b) whether there&#039;s anything in place to keep, say, the National desk from encroaching on her topical turf.  No response (so far) except to ask why I was asking (which I explained).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A followup note re the bark beetle/firefighting story &#8211; I&#8217;d asked editor Goode a) informally, to confirm that she hadn&#8217;t edited it (since it came from Johnson, who&#8217;s not in her pod), and b) whether there&#8217;s anything in place to keep, say, the National desk from encroaching on her topical turf.  No response (so far) except to ask why I was asking (which I explained).</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/28/george-will-wattsupwiththat-robert-bradley-ken-lay-enron/#comment-89000</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toadies all.  Fuel for fools.  Sorry, couldn&#039;t resist.  Enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toadies all.  Fuel for fools.  Sorry, couldn&#8217;t resist.  Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/28/george-will-wattsupwiththat-robert-bradley-ken-lay-enron/#comment-88999</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!!!!

In my tussles with the haute sycophancy, I recently saw Obama et al. accused of being Enron all over again.  Great fuel, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!!!!</p>
<p>In my tussles with the haute sycophancy, I recently saw Obama et al. accused of being Enron all over again.  Great fuel, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: James Thomson the second</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/28/george-will-wattsupwiththat-robert-bradley-ken-lay-enron/#comment-88868</link>
		<dc:creator>James Thomson the second</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

We&#039;ll have to agree to differ. I might agree with you if the US was setting the bar high, but 17% reduction on 2005 levels by 2020 doesn&#039;t even bring the US back to the 1990 baseline that everyone else is working to. By comparison &quot;The EU has promised to cut emissions by 20% by 2020 and by 30% if other rich countries join in, measured against 1990 levels.&quot;

http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/2009/05/us,-eu-climate-change-targets-are-comparable-/65021.aspx

On this basis it is hard to see how W-M will galavnize other coutries into more agressive targets.

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  &quot;Galvanize&quot; is not the word I&#039;d use.  And the 2020 target is too weak, but shouldn&#039;t be the sole focus of attention.&lt;/em&gt;]

Can&#039;t disagree over China though. Their explosive economic growth rate based on dirty coal, coupled with 20% of the entire world population is an unfolding disaster.

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  W-M allows U.S. to negotiate a deal with China -- and gives us some change Copenhagen will not be the abject failure it would be if W-M dies.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have to agree to differ. I might agree with you if the US was setting the bar high, but 17% reduction on 2005 levels by 2020 doesn&#8217;t even bring the US back to the 1990 baseline that everyone else is working to. By comparison &#8220;The EU has promised to cut emissions by 20% by 2020 and by 30% if other rich countries join in, measured against 1990 levels.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/2009/05/us,-eu-climate-change-targets-are-comparable-/65021.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.europeanvoice.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>article/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>05/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>us,-eu-climate-change-targets-are-comparable-/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>65021.aspx</a></p>
<p>On this basis it is hard to see how W-M will galavnize other coutries into more agressive targets.</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  "Galvanize" is not the word I'd use.  And the 2020 target is too weak, but shouldn't be the sole focus of attention.</em>]</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t disagree over China though. Their explosive economic growth rate based on dirty coal, coupled with 20% of the entire world population is an unfolding disaster.</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  W-M allows U.S. to negotiate a deal with China -- and gives us some change Copenhagen will not be the abject failure it would be if W-M dies.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: James Thomson the second</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/28/george-will-wattsupwiththat-robert-bradley-ken-lay-enron/#comment-88662</link>
		<dc:creator>James Thomson the second</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;James Thomson Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.&quot;

Your blog really doesn&#039;t like me...

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  It has a mind of its own!&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;James Thomson Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your blog really doesn&#8217;t like me&#8230;</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  It has a mind of its own!</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: James Thomson</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/28/george-will-wattsupwiththat-robert-bradley-ken-lay-enron/#comment-88661</link>
		<dc:creator>James Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

Do you see the UN as being central to the process? I do. Unless all nations can sign up to some sort of coherent plan for emissions reduction led by the UN I don&#039;t think progress will be fast enough, sustained and all-inclusive.

Individual nations will always find the temptation of burning or selling more fossil fuel locally outweighs the rather abstract goal of contributing their bit to a global solution. We see this continually in carbon-intensive countries with high living standards such as Australia and Canada.

I agree that the US and China together currently make up a large part of the problem (about 50%), but go it alone and you find lesser nations such as India ramping up their emissions and taking your place. Net result - CO2 keeps rising.

[&lt;em&gt;JR:  Central?  No.  I see the UNFCCC process as valuable yes but the jury is out as to whether it is central.  Right now, IF the U.S. can pass the current climate bill, then I have every companies that Europe, Japan, etc. will agree to do at least as much if not more.  Then China is far and away the most important after that.  They really trump the rest of the developing world all by themselves.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Do you see the UN as being central to the process? I do. Unless all nations can sign up to some sort of coherent plan for emissions reduction led by the UN I don&#8217;t think progress will be fast enough, sustained and all-inclusive.</p>
<p>Individual nations will always find the temptation of burning or selling more fossil fuel locally outweighs the rather abstract goal of contributing their bit to a global solution. We see this continually in carbon-intensive countries with high living standards such as Australia and Canada.</p>
<p>I agree that the US and China together currently make up a large part of the problem (about 50%), but go it alone and you find lesser nations such as India ramping up their emissions and taking your place. Net result &#8211; CO2 keeps rising.</p>
<p>[<em>JR:  Central?  No.  I see the UNFCCC process as valuable yes but the jury is out as to whether it is central.  Right now, IF the U.S. can pass the current climate bill, then I have every companies that Europe, Japan, etc. will agree to do at least as much if not more.  Then China is far and away the most important after that.  They really trump the rest of the developing world all by themselves.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pauli</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/28/george-will-wattsupwiththat-robert-bradley-ken-lay-enron/#comment-88629</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Pauli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like a pretty simple choice for humanity:

To draw on the combined wisdom of history and science or listen to DICKs (Denier-Industrial-Complex Kooks)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like a pretty simple choice for humanity:</p>
<p>To draw on the combined wisdom of history and science or listen to DICKs (Denier-Industrial-Complex Kooks)</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/28/george-will-wattsupwiththat-robert-bradley-ken-lay-enron/#comment-88588</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response from Ms Goode to my email asking about current composition of the NYTimes Environmental S.W.A.T. Team -
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 &lt;i&gt;     Thanks for your interest in our environmental cluster!
In answer to your questions: Yes, I&#039;m still the editor, and I have a deputy editor now, Nancy Kenney.
  Yes, John Broder is part of our group. Kirk Johnson is not -- he works for the National desk. The other members of the enviro group -- or pod, as we often call it -- are Andy Revkin, Elisabeth Rosenthal, Leslie Kaufman, Matt Wald, Felicity Barringer, Cornelia Dean and Mia Navarro. Reporters from other sections -- most recently, Jim Glanz from Investigations -- sometimes do pieces for us. And we often collaborate with reporters from the energy cluster in the Business section.
   We edit all of our own stories, then feed them to other sections -- National, Foreign, Metro, Science, etc.
       Hope this answers your questions and thanks for asking. &lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response from Ms Goode to my email asking about current composition of the NYTimes Environmental S.W.A.T. Team -<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
 <i>     Thanks for your interest in our environmental cluster!<br />
In answer to your questions: Yes, I&#8217;m still the editor, and I have a deputy editor now, Nancy Kenney.<br />
  Yes, John Broder is part of our group. Kirk Johnson is not &#8212; he works for the National desk. The other members of the enviro group &#8212; or pod, as we often call it &#8212; are Andy Revkin, Elisabeth Rosenthal, Leslie Kaufman, Matt Wald, Felicity Barringer, Cornelia Dean and Mia Navarro. Reporters from other sections &#8212; most recently, Jim Glanz from Investigations &#8212; sometimes do pieces for us. And we often collaborate with reporters from the energy cluster in the Business section.<br />
   We edit all of our own stories, then feed them to other sections &#8212; National, Foreign, Metro, Science, etc.<br />
       Hope this answers your questions and thanks for asking. </i><br />
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