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	<title>Comments on: Energy and Global Warming News for June 29: China likely to reject bid for GM&#8217;s Hummer; Projected food demands seen to outpace production</title>
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		<title>By: Modesty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modesty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following comment is still in moderation, since 9.27 pm, June 29. 
So, I&#039;m reposting it without the links:


So Europeans are saying W-M doesn’t do enough?

What is the W-M U.S. target, anyway?

First of all, the “economy-wide” goal for W-M, as stated in W-M, is a 20% cut from 2005 levels by 2020. That’s a 6 or7 percent cut below 1990 levels, not 3 or 4 percent everyone is talking about, right?

Furthermore, why is this (the economy-wide 20% below 2005 levels in 2020) the stated goal for W-M when WRI analysis finds that the bill will achieve cuts below 2005 levels of 28-33% and below 1990 levels of 17-23%? Why not draw on these figures for the “economy-wide” goal?

(For the analysis, go to wri dot org slash usclimatetargets.)

Finally, what would the range for *domestic* emission cuts through W-M in 2020 be, using the WRI assumptions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following comment is still in moderation, since 9.27 pm, June 29.<br />
So, I&#8217;m reposting it without the links:</p>
<p>So Europeans are saying W-M doesn’t do enough?</p>
<p>What is the W-M U.S. target, anyway?</p>
<p>First of all, the “economy-wide” goal for W-M, as stated in W-M, is a 20% cut from 2005 levels by 2020. That’s a 6 or7 percent cut below 1990 levels, not 3 or 4 percent everyone is talking about, right?</p>
<p>Furthermore, why is this (the economy-wide 20% below 2005 levels in 2020) the stated goal for W-M when WRI analysis finds that the bill will achieve cuts below 2005 levels of 28-33% and below 1990 levels of 17-23%? Why not draw on these figures for the “economy-wide” goal?</p>
<p>(For the analysis, go to wri dot org slash usclimatetargets.)</p>
<p>Finally, what would the range for *domestic* emission cuts through W-M in 2020 be, using the WRI assumptions?</p>
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		<title>By: ken levenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken levenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paulm,
Yea, the book is a rambling mess, repetitive etc...like it had no editor....no big contribution beyond &quot;Revenge&quot;.  Please report back what you think of it!

I&#039;m all for hanging onto hope...I&#039;m actually an eternal optimist...but my optimism is now rooted in reinventing society to survive the coming cataclysm...a dark optimism to be sure....but with a 1 month old  2.75 yr old girls...I must believe there will be a way for them to thrive....however 90% of humanity I&#039;m not so sure about...whiplash to be sure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulm,<br />
Yea, the book is a rambling mess, repetitive etc&#8230;like it had no editor&#8230;.no big contribution beyond &#8220;Revenge&#8221;.  Please report back what you think of it!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for hanging onto hope&#8230;I&#8217;m actually an eternal optimist&#8230;but my optimism is now rooted in reinventing society to survive the coming cataclysm&#8230;a dark optimism to be sure&#8230;.but with a 1 month old  2.75 yr old girls&#8230;I must believe there will be a way for them to thrive&#8230;.however 90% of humanity I&#8217;m not so sure about&#8230;whiplash to be sure&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Modesty</title>
		<link>http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/29/energy-and-global-warming-news-china-likely-to-reject-bid-for-gms-hummer-projected-food-demands-seen-to-outpace-production/#comment-88995</link>
		<dc:creator>Modesty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Europeans are saying W-M doesn&#039;t do enough?

What is the W-M U.S. target, anyway?

First of all, the “economy-wide” goal for W-M, as stated in W-M, is a 20% cut from 2005 levels by 2020. That’s a 6 or7 percent cut below 1990 levels, not 3 or 4 percent everyone is talking about, right?

Furthermore, why is this (the economy-wide 20% below 2005 levels in 2020) the stated goal for W-M when WRI analysis finds that the bill will achieve cuts below 2005 levels of 28-33% and below 1990 levels of 17-23%? Why not draw on these figures for the &quot;economy-wide&quot; goal?

http://www.wri.org/usclimatetargets
http://www.wri.org/publication/usclimatetargets

Finally, what would the range for *domestic* emission cuts through W-M in 2020 be, using the WRI assumptions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Europeans are saying W-M doesn&#8217;t do enough?</p>
<p>What is the W-M U.S. target, anyway?</p>
<p>First of all, the “economy-wide” goal for W-M, as stated in W-M, is a 20% cut from 2005 levels by 2020. That’s a 6 or7 percent cut below 1990 levels, not 3 or 4 percent everyone is talking about, right?</p>
<p>Furthermore, why is this (the economy-wide 20% below 2005 levels in 2020) the stated goal for W-M when WRI analysis finds that the bill will achieve cuts below 2005 levels of 28-33% and below 1990 levels of 17-23%? Why not draw on these figures for the &#8220;economy-wide&#8221; goal?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wri.org/usclimatetargets" rel="nofollow">http://www.wri.org/usclimatetargets</a><br />
<a href="http://www.wri.org/publication/usclimatetargets" rel="nofollow">http://www.wri.org/publication/usclimatetargets</a></p>
<p>Finally, what would the range for *domestic* emission cuts through W-M in 2020 be, using the WRI assumptions?</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, 
I was looking forward to that read:(
Waiting for it to get to the local library. 

Most of us tend to hang on to hope much longer than we should, because it can change  outcomes - its a human instinct.

Much is possible if you wish on it enough. Unfortunately, also, a lot isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,<br />
I was looking forward to that read:(<br />
Waiting for it to get to the local library. </p>
<p>Most of us tend to hang on to hope much longer than we should, because it can change  outcomes &#8211; its a human instinct.</p>
<p>Much is possible if you wish on it enough. Unfortunately, also, a lot isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuebing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yuebing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DB report is easily the best report I have seen on current and projected global food production. (sorry WorldWatch)

They still need to factor in very high temeperatures leading to massive crop losses like those seen in the European Heat Wave of 2003.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DB report is easily the best report I have seen on current and projected global food production. (sorry WorldWatch)</p>
<p>They still need to factor in very high temeperatures leading to massive crop losses like those seen in the European Heat Wave of 2003.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuebing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yuebing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Full Deutsche Bank report is here:

http://www.dbcca.com/dbcca/EN/_media/Investing_in_Agriculture_June_25_2009.pdf

On page 24 the talk about climate change impacting yields, but then they don&#039;t appear to factor it into the report anywhere:  &quot;Changing precipitation patterns and the shifts of regional weather to be hotter and drier in some regions while other regions become more moist will cause severe challenges to existing agricultural systems. Lobell et al. 2008, described how warmer climates will harm yields. Also, Schlenker and Roberts (2005) estimated that the probability of increased warmer temperatures would occur in developing regions of the world is proportionately. Losses of as much as US $5 billion a year have been estimated from farmland value (dryland) due to changes in temperature and precipitation Schlenker et al.2005&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Full Deutsche Bank report is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dbcca.com/dbcca/EN/_media/Investing_in_Agriculture_June_25_2009.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dbcca.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>dbcca/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>EN/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>_media/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>Investing_in_Agriculture_June_25_2009.pdf</a></p>
<p>On page 24 the talk about climate change impacting yields, but then they don&#8217;t appear to factor it into the report anywhere:  &#8220;Changing precipitation patterns and the shifts of regional weather to be hotter and drier in some regions while other regions become more moist will cause severe challenges to existing agricultural systems. Lobell et al. 2008, described how warmer climates will harm yields. Also, Schlenker and Roberts (2005) estimated that the probability of increased warmer temperatures would occur in developing regions of the world is proportionately. Losses of as much as US $5 billion a year have been estimated from farmland value (dryland) due to changes in temperature and precipitation Schlenker et al.2005&#8243;</p>
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		<title>By: ken levenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken levenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paulm,  i&#039;m afraid Lovelock is far closer to the target than most...too bad his last book is unreadable...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulm,  i&#8217;m afraid Lovelock is far closer to the target than most&#8230;too bad his last book is unreadable&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe you gave your brother some good advice...

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Rising sea level to submerge Louisiana coastline by 2100, study warns
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/29/rising-sea-level-new-orleans

Scientists say between 10,000 and 13,500 square kilometres of coastal land around New Orleans will go underwater due to rising sea levels and subsidence.

&quot;When you look at the numbers you come to the conclusion that the resources are just not there to restore all the coast, and that is one of the major points of this paper,&quot;

&quot;I think every geologist that has worked on this problem realises the future does not look very bright unless we can come up with some innovative ways to get that sediment in the right spot,&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe you gave your brother some good advice&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>
Rising sea level to submerge Louisiana coastline by 2100, study warns<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/29/rising-sea-level-new-orleans" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>environment/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>jun/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>29/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>rising-sea-level-new-orleans</a></p>
<p>Scientists say between 10,000 and 13,500 square kilometres of coastal land around New Orleans will go underwater due to rising sea levels and subsidence.</p>
<p>&#8220;When you look at the numbers you come to the conclusion that the resources are just not there to restore all the coast, and that is one of the major points of this paper,&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I think every geologist that has worked on this problem realises the future does not look very bright unless we can come up with some innovative ways to get that sediment in the right spot,&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can so many folks believe that global warming could be a scientific screw up, a hoax or some sort of grand conspiracy?  Read this story.  One of the three Texas pollution control agency&#039;s commissioners (they dictate the agency&#039;s every move at the governors behest), a scientists from Texas&#039; biggest or second biggest (I&#039;m not going to get into the aggie vs longhorn argument) university says that global warming isn&#039;t happening.

With that sort of cover, it&#039;s an easy sell to those citizens that want to believe people like Fred Dyson, George Will, etc.  I mean, here we have the second biggest state of the union&#039;s chief pollution regulator and a scientist from its biggest university stating (with arms folded at the chest) that global warming is hooey.

It is time to tackle each and everyone of these limelighters out and destroy their credibility by calling out their credentials and pointing out their the mistakes in their beliefs.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6502024.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can so many folks believe that global warming could be a scientific screw up, a hoax or some sort of grand conspiracy?  Read this story.  One of the three Texas pollution control agency&#8217;s commissioners (they dictate the agency&#8217;s every move at the governors behest), a scientists from Texas&#8217; biggest or second biggest (I&#8217;m not going to get into the aggie vs longhorn argument) university says that global warming isn&#8217;t happening.</p>
<p>With that sort of cover, it&#8217;s an easy sell to those citizens that want to believe people like Fred Dyson, George Will, etc.  I mean, here we have the second biggest state of the union&#8217;s chief pollution regulator and a scientist from its biggest university stating (with arms folded at the chest) that global warming is hooey.</p>
<p>It is time to tackle each and everyone of these limelighters out and destroy their credibility by calling out their credentials and pointing out their the mistakes in their beliefs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6502024.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chron.com/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>disp/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>story.mpl/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>metropolitan/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>6502024.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: paulm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its probably a similar figure for the US...not enough.

&quot;Our research expenditure on non-fossil energy sources is 0.2% of what we spend on energy itself,&quot; said Shepherd. &quot;Multiplying that by 10 would be a very sensible thing to do. We&#039;re spending less than 1% on probably the biggest problem we&#039;ve faced in many decades.&quot;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/29/energy-bills-green-technology</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its probably a similar figure for the US&#8230;not enough.</p>
<p>&#8220;Our research expenditure on non-fossil energy sources is 0.2% of what we spend on energy itself,&#8221; said Shepherd. &#8220;Multiplying that by 10 would be a very sensible thing to do. We&#8217;re spending less than 1% on probably the biggest problem we&#8217;ve faced in many decades.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/29/energy-bills-green-technology" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>environment/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>2009/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>jun/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>29/<span style="font-size: 1px;"> </span>energy-bills-green-technology</a></p>
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