Comments on: Energy and Global Warming News for July 2nd: Dump the “Saudi Arabia of solar” meme; Environmental toll of plastics http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/02/energy-and-global-warming-news-dump-the-saudi-arabia-of-solar-meme-the-environmental-toll-of-plastics/ The Latest on Climate Science, Solutions, and Politics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:09:26 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/02/energy-and-global-warming-news-dump-the-saudi-arabia-of-solar-meme-the-environmental-toll-of-plastics/#comment-92567 David B. Benson Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:45:10 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8656#comment-92567 <b>Dan Pangburn</b> --- You have it, I fear, all wrong. Instead of promugating that nonsense, plase go read "The Discovery of Global Warming" by Spencer Weart: http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.htm which comes highly recommended. Dan Pangburn — You have it, I fear, all wrong. Instead of promugating that nonsense, plase go read “The Discovery of Global Warming” by Spencer Weart:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.htm

which comes highly recommended.

]]> By: Dan Pangburn http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/02/energy-and-global-warming-news-dump-the-saudi-arabia-of-solar-meme-the-environmental-toll-of-plastics/#comment-92520 Dan Pangburn Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:56:28 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8656#comment-92520 The AGW mistake: In 1984 Hansen et al published a paper that shows a method to calculate control loop feedback from temperature using separate calculations of feedback factors for each phenomenon. Climate Scientists calculated feedbacks for phenomena that they knew about and added them together. The calculation resulted in a net positive feedback from temperature. With net positive feedback the climate models predict significant future global temperature rise. The method assumes that the calculations of feedback factors are correct and that all feedbacks have been accounted for. The assumption is wrong. This mistake has propagated through most of the Climate Science community. [<em>JR: Snip. You've entered tin foil hat land. This has no basis in history or reality. Positive feedbacks not only exist, they dominate the carbon cycle over the time frames humans care about. Indeed it is negative feedbacks that are the primary fantasy -- and they come from deniers.</em>] The AGW mistake: In 1984 Hansen et al published a paper that shows a method to calculate control loop feedback from temperature using separate calculations of feedback factors for each phenomenon. Climate Scientists calculated feedbacks for phenomena that they knew about and added them together. The calculation resulted in a net positive feedback from temperature. With net positive feedback the climate models predict significant future global temperature rise. The method assumes that the calculations of feedback factors are correct and that all feedbacks have been accounted for. The assumption is wrong. This mistake has propagated through most of the Climate Science community.

[JR: Snip. You've entered tin foil hat land. This has no basis in history or reality. Positive feedbacks not only exist, they dominate the carbon cycle over the time frames humans care about. Indeed it is negative feedbacks that are the primary fantasy -- and they come from deniers.]

]]> By: Rabid Doomsayer http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/02/energy-and-global-warming-news-dump-the-saudi-arabia-of-solar-meme-the-environmental-toll-of-plastics/#comment-91822 Rabid Doomsayer Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:17:56 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8656#comment-91822 Multi nipple, multi lateral wells, acid injection to speed up water injection. Ghawar must be almost watered out, it really sound like they are aiming for a ten foot window between the top of the water and the top of the field. Yes this one field matters, it represents 6% of daily supply. America is the Saudi Arabia of dodgy data? Or just dodgy users of data? Multi nipple, multi lateral wells, acid injection to speed up water injection. Ghawar must be almost watered out, it really sound like they are aiming for a ten foot window between the top of the water and the top of the field. Yes this one field matters, it represents 6% of daily supply.

America is the Saudi Arabia of dodgy data? Or just dodgy users of data?

]]> By: David B. Benson http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/02/energy-and-global-warming-news-dump-the-saudi-arabia-of-solar-meme-the-environmental-toll-of-plastics/#comment-91676 David B. Benson Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:38:51 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8656#comment-91676 Plastics in the oceans break up into ever finer particles. Soon you'll be eating plasticized fish. However, plastics contain carbon (and hydrogen) so can be burnt, keeping the waste out of landfills (and maybe also out of the oceans). Plastics in the oceans break up into ever finer particles. Soon you’ll be eating plasticized fish.

However, plastics contain carbon (and hydrogen) so can be burnt, keeping the waste out of landfills (and maybe also out of the oceans).

]]> By: hapa http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/02/energy-and-global-warming-news-dump-the-saudi-arabia-of-solar-meme-the-environmental-toll-of-plastics/#comment-91658 hapa Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:17:01 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8656#comment-91658 the carbon tax freakout is totally predictable. you're talking about a population that thinks democrats caused the bank meltdown by making loans to black people. they have no frikkin clue what is going on in the world except that they're losing jobs and houses and their bills are going up. the obama people can't even admit they got the employment estimates wrong, and the stimulus amount. they should have reached out to republican constituencies with jobs, directly, instead of making peace with useless representatives who will just short of kill to keep obama from becoming another FDR. the carbon tax freakout is totally predictable. you’re talking about a population that thinks democrats caused the bank meltdown by making loans to black people. they have no frikkin clue what is going on in the world except that they’re losing jobs and houses and their bills are going up.

the obama people can’t even admit they got the employment estimates wrong, and the stimulus amount. they should have reached out to republican constituencies with jobs, directly, instead of making peace with useless representatives who will just short of kill to keep obama from becoming another FDR.

]]> By: Bob Wright http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/02/energy-and-global-warming-news-dump-the-saudi-arabia-of-solar-meme-the-environmental-toll-of-plastics/#comment-91630 Bob Wright Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:38:59 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8656#comment-91630 If Saudi reserves are declining, then: Greenland is the Saudi Arabia of glaciers. Alaska is the Saudi Arabia of permafrost. Regarding civil unrest, Fox news and conservative talk radio have become borderline seditious, saying the Obama administration and the House democrats must be STOPPED RIGHT NOW, before they ruin everything. Someone was in my face about the "carbon tax" today. I'm becoming concerned. If Saudi reserves are declining, then:

Greenland is the Saudi Arabia of glaciers.
Alaska is the Saudi Arabia of permafrost.

Regarding civil unrest, Fox news and conservative talk radio have become borderline seditious, saying the Obama administration and the House democrats must be STOPPED RIGHT NOW, before they ruin everything. Someone was in my face about the “carbon tax” today. I’m becoming concerned.

]]> By: paulm http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/02/energy-and-global-warming-news-dump-the-saudi-arabia-of-solar-meme-the-environmental-toll-of-plastics/#comment-91367 paulm Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:14:14 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8656#comment-91367 We are plastic. So we thought Canada was a nation full of goody two-shoe environmentalists ... <blockquote> Canada ranked last in G8 on climate action (US 2nd to last) http://wwf.ca/conservation/global_warming/take_action/g8/ The report states the lack of a clear leader among the ranked nations and while Germany has slightly improved, countries such as Canada and Russia have completely failed the test. We are plastic.

So we thought Canada was a nation full of goody two-shoe environmentalists …

Canada ranked last in G8 on climate action (US 2nd to last)
http://wwf.ca/ conservation/ global_warming/ take_action/ g8/

The report states the lack of a clear leader among the ranked nations and while Germany has slightly improved, countries such as Canada and Russia have completely failed the test.

]]> By: Arabic http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/02/energy-and-global-warming-news-dump-the-saudi-arabia-of-solar-meme-the-environmental-toll-of-plastics/#comment-91357 Arabic Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:02:16 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8656#comment-91357 Regarding plastics in the landfills, I would wonder if a way can be developed to go into landfills and harvest materials that can be reused. This can go for metals, and other materials and would probably require less energy than mining or producing them from scratch. Regarding plastics in the landfills, I would wonder if a way can be developed to go into landfills and harvest materials that can be reused. This can go for metals, and other materials and would probably require less energy than mining or producing them from scratch.

]]> By: Nathan Srigley http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/02/energy-and-global-warming-news-dump-the-saudi-arabia-of-solar-meme-the-environmental-toll-of-plastics/#comment-91319 Nathan Srigley Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:20:40 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8656#comment-91319 "If things don’t start moving in the right direction fast, actions like those at Drax will become more common." news on activists definitley seems to have become more frequent on here in the past few weeks “If things don’t start moving in the right direction fast, actions like those at Drax will become more common.”

news on activists definitley seems to have become more frequent on here in the past few weeks

]]> By: Will http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/02/energy-and-global-warming-news-dump-the-saudi-arabia-of-solar-meme-the-environmental-toll-of-plastics/#comment-91311 Will Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:11:11 +0000 http://climateprogress.org/?p=8656#comment-91311 If things don't start moving in the right direction fast, actions like those at Drax will become more common. If things don’t start moving in the right direction fast, actions like those at Drax will become more common.

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